STOP THE FEAR MONGERING

On Mar 6, 2:35*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:


Let me underscore this - I worked at 42 companies in my career and all but
two of them went out of business mostly due to mismanagement.


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Dumbass -


Has it occurred to you that a company which has good management
wouldn't hire someone like you?

It's not a coincidence that you only worked at mismanaged companies.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

In article ,
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:13:00 -0800, Howard Kveck
wrote:

Howard, Howard, Howard. Don't you get it. Bill can rag on Bush a lot
-- it helps him feel politically "independent." And he can complain
about lots of issues from a fairly liberal point of view -- complain
about, say, big businesses excesses. That shows how "open-minded" he
is.

But on the fundamental framing of political debate, the right (places
like NewsMax, people) is what he follows.

I think "framing" is the key word there. Lately, how an issue is framed in public
is rarely in line with the fundamentals of the issue.

The right was winning the newsbite war on "bipartisanship" and they've
got Bill on that one. It's typical.

This report is long but really well researched and worth a look. We've been
hearing how "the left" is so extreme but the positions that a majority of Americans
take are the ones that the left has been championing.

http://mediamatters.org/progmaj/report

It dovetails nicely with the article I linked last week that showed that the
American people want bipartisanship from the Republicans and that they think Obama
has done a great job on that front. You're correct on who has been more effective on
the issue of "bipartisanship" - I just haven't quite decided why the media has been
so bad about reporting that stuff. I guess it's related to the "Are they stupid or
evil" question.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwa...hip/index.html

--
tanx,
Howard

Caught playing safe
It's a bored game

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:33:00 -0800 (PST), "K. Gringioni"
wrote:

The problem is the quality of that lower tier of American engineers.
It's not that good, hence their status as unemployed.

When cutting edge companies are complaining about not having enough of
a labor force to choose from they are talking about the top tier.
There really is a shortage.

I don't think that's true in the northeast of the US -- there is a
loss of manufacturing and plenty of good engineers out of work around
here.

On Mar 7, 2:37*am, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:33:00 -0800 (PST), "K. Gringioni"

wrote:
The problem is the quality of that lower tier of American engineers.
It's not that good, hence their status as unemployed.

When cutting edge companies are complaining about not having enough of
a labor force to choose from they are talking about the top tier.
There really is a shortage.

I don't think that's true in the northeast of the US -- there is a
loss of manufacturing and plenty of good engineers out of work around
here.




Dumbass -


There may very well be a surplus of mechanical engineers up there.

All the action's moved out West in the last 20 years. I have a theory
about why, but will save it for another time.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Scott,

You were right. A bunch of important economists have problems with
the Obama stimulus package. Like this guy -- one of our country's
leading conservative economists:

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit.../03/2003437472

He thinks it's too small in the amount of spending!

On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:19:23 -0800 (PST), "K. Gringioni"
wrote:

On Mar 7, 2:37*am, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:33:00 -0800 (PST), "K. Gringioni"

wrote:
The problem is the quality of that lower tier of American engineers.
It's not that good, hence their status as unemployed.

When cutting edge companies are complaining about not having enough of
a labor force to choose from they are talking about the top tier.
There really is a shortage.

I don't think that's true in the northeast of the US -- there is a
loss of manufacturing and plenty of good engineers out of work around
here.

Dumbass -

There may very well be a surplus of mechanical engineers up there.

All the action's moved out West in the last 20 years. I have a theory
about why, but will save it for another time.

In our case it's electrical engineering.

On Mar 6, 3:13*am, Howard Kveck wrote:
In article ,
*Bill C wrote:





On Mar 5, 12:51*pm, "
wrote:

Jeez, JT, I'm working on it, okay? *People are
so impatient, they want change in an instant.
I have a day job, because ol' Barack was too nice
to make Secretary of Revenge a cabinet level position.
And it's not easy to compile a national list of
up-against-the-wall-mother****ers on evenings
and weekends while still keeping up a Fat Master
training schedule.

"As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
* * *I've got a little list--I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
* * *And who never would be missed--who never would be missed!"

-Ko-Ko Ben

*Actually Ben
*From the reaction of the left wingnuts to Obama so far we were
expecting the same guy to show up in the WH. They're ****ed because he
hasn't been one of them so far, and I'm pleasantly surprised.
http://tinyurl.com/6a9yr2

* *You actually think that an appointee of Obama's that Rove and Limbaugh agree with
shows he's "in the center?" Sorry, those two are as extemist as can be.

* *You're "pleasantly surprised" that you think "the left" is getting screwed.
Surprise.

http://tinyurl.com/9o33ut

* *Wow, a NewsMax article that says Obama is ****ing "the left" off by not being as
extreme as you (and they) claimed he'd be. You don't see a logical weakness there?

*Seems like we were both wrong so far. You can do any number of
searches around "Obama Revolt left angry" and other words and come up
with plenty of stuff. I expected what they expected.

* *Well, with a search term set that loaded, you shouldn't be very surprised at what
comes up. In lawyer talk, that would be considered "leading the witness." Anyway, if
you look at the list of hits, all of the first ones are from right leaning sites.
Which shouldn't be all that surprising.

--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * tanx,
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Howard

* * * * * * * * * * * * *Caught playing safe
* * * * * * * * * * * * * It's a bored game

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So the left isn't disappointed with how centrist Obama's been? You can
get those stories from the Times syndicate etc...
White is black?
Bill C

On Mar 6, 2:08*pm, dave a wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
It should be noted that company managers have been treating engineers
like absolute crap for a couple of decades or more.

I would read this as "company managers have been treating Tom Kunich
like absolute crap for a couple of decades or more" *Having spent my
career at HP, I can say that at least that company treated engineers
pretty well.

Me too. HP and then Agilent. It's all gone now.
-Paul

On Mar 7, 3:51*am, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:19:23 -0800 (PST), "K. Gringioni"





wrote:
On Mar 7, 2:37*am, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:33:00 -0800 (PST), "K. Gringioni"

wrote:
The problem is the quality of that lower tier of American engineers.
It's not that good, hence their status as unemployed.

When cutting edge companies are complaining about not having enough of
a labor force to choose from they are talking about the top tier.
There really is a shortage.

I don't think that's true in the northeast of the US -- there is a
loss of manufacturing and plenty of good engineers out of work around
here.

Dumbass -

There may very well be a surplus of mechanical engineers up there.

All the action's moved out West in the last 20 years. I have a theory
about why, but will save it for another time.

In our case it's electrical engineering.




Dumbass -


OK.

It all moved to Silicon Valley. I'll share the theory as to why that
happened another time.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

On Mar 6, 6:19*am, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:

The right was winning the newsbite war on "bipartisanship" and they've
got Bill on that one. *It's typical.- Hide quoted text -

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I really have evolved to find this whole debate pretty comical. It
greatly amuses me to be accused of being closed minded by two of the
most ideological and closed minded people I've ever met on the subject
of politics.
As far as I can tell the argument seems to be that if I were truly
open minded I would have to agree with you but since I don't it's not
possible that I could be open minded. So therefore I must be closed
minded, mentally deficient since any objective person with reasoning
facilities would have to agree you are correct, or so weak minded that
while I do see many things I just can't avoid being played by the
right.
This is really amazing since even TK has shown more tolerance on the
subject of politics, and has moved his position more in response to
new information than the two of you combined, but hey that's because
you are perfectly correct in all things and infallible on the subject.
I really do believe that both of you believe it's physically
impossible for anyone else to posiibly reach another conclusion than
the ones you have without being defective in some way. That level of
conceit and arrogance is truly comical. It's common too to folks like
yourselves, Moore, Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc...
Thanks for the smiles.
Bill C