VDB admits doping...?

"B. Lafferty" wrote in message

What this and the Museeuw situation illustrate is the truth of what
Dickey V. said when he finally came clean. I think the operative
assumption
has to be that everyone at the top level is using dope and probably a
whole
lot of wannabes.
It's time for WADA, the UCI and IOC to admit defeat (and in Hein's
case
malfeasance, IMO) in the drug wars and let the competitors use anything
they
want. Just make certain the riders sign informed consents and set up at
fund for the widows/widowers and orphans.
Think how much fun it will be to see Tammy back in action. I'll bet
she
could beat Merckx's Hour Record. ;-)
Gotta go for my ride and swing by the druggist for some caffeine
suppositories. Later.......

I think the reason the war was lost was that the definition of victory was
unrealistic. I think that the list of banned substances is far too big. I
should be able to take any drugs as a cyclist that I can take as a patient.
The problem with that is there is a lot of opportunity for corrupt MDs to
supply patient\athletes on the basis of exaggerated or false diagnosis.
Therefore along with the relaxed rules I would like to see more oversight by
neutral MDs. IOW, they can take prescribed drugs but all medical files have
to be made available.

The list of banned drugs also has the undesirable effect of creating the
impression that many of these drugs to enhance performance. Most of them
don't.

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
ink.net...

What this and the Museeuw situation illustrate is the truth of what
Dickey V. said when he finally came clean. I think the operative
assumption
has to be that everyone at the top level is using dope and probably a whole
lot of wannabes.
It's time for WADA, the UCI and IOC to admit defeat (and in Hein's case
malfeasance, IMO) in the drug wars and let the competitors use anything
they
want. Just make certain the riders sign informed consents and set up at
fund for the widows/widowers and orphans.
Think how much fun it will be to see Tammy back in action. I'll bet
she
could beat Merckx's Hour Record. ;-)
Gotta go for my ride and swing by the druggist for some caffeine
suppositories. Later.......



Dumbass -

Imagine the freaks we're gonna get when genetic vaccination techniques become
widely available.

Someone can go in and say, "I want the mitochondria of a deer" and they can
change a few genes around and voila! the athlete's mitochondria will suddenly
be 4 times more effective.

The freakish part is that we don't have a full understanding of how all the
genes interact with each other. So the athlete may get that mitochondria, but
he may get some other things he didn't bargain for.

Ever see the movie "The Fly"? Such a thing will be possible.


I think you just one a "dumbass" (intentional lower cese) for that
ridiculous portrayal of genetics.

Clovis Lark wrote:
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
ink.net...

What this and the Museeuw situation illustrate is the truth of what
Dickey V. said when he finally came clean. I think the operative
assumption
has to be that everyone at the top level is using dope and probably a whole
lot of wannabes.
It's time for WADA, the UCI and IOC to admit defeat (and in Hein's case
malfeasance, IMO) in the drug wars and let the competitors use anything
they
want. Just make certain the riders sign informed consents and set up at
fund for the widows/widowers and orphans.
Think how much fun it will be to see Tammy back in action. I'll bet
she
could beat Merckx's Hour Record. ;-)
Gotta go for my ride and swing by the druggist for some caffeine
suppositories. Later.......



Dumbass -

Imagine the freaks we're gonna get when genetic vaccination techniques become
widely available.

Someone can go in and say, "I want the mitochondria of a deer" and they can
change a few genes around and voila! the athlete's mitochondria will suddenly
be 4 times more effective.

The freakish part is that we don't have a full understanding of how all the
genes interact with each other. So the athlete may get that mitochondria, but
he may get some other things he didn't bargain for.

Ever see the movie "The Fly"? Such a thing will be possible.


I think you just one a "dumbass" (intentional lower cese) for that
ridiculous portrayal of genetics.

I'll take a full upper case "DUMBASS" for my use of "one" above.

"Clovis Lark" wrote in message


I'll take a full upper case "DUMBASS" for my use of "one" above.

What were you trying to say? Were you saying he *won* a "dumbass" (award?)?

Confusions rains...

(I gave you that one)

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in
message t...

Ever see the movie "The Fly"? Such a thing will be possible.

I have and I realize the possibility every time I read one of your moronic
posts.

Nick Burns wrote:

"Clovis Lark" wrote in message


I'll take a full upper case "DUMBASS" for my use of "one" above.

What were you trying to say? Were you saying he *won* a "dumbass" (award?)?

Yuppo

Confusions rains...

At least he no longer "says"...

(I gave you that one)

Can I sell it on ebay to pay my bills?

"Clovis Lark" wrote in message
...

I think you just one a "dumbass" (intentional lower cese) for that
ridiculous portrayal of genetics.



Goddamm, you're stupid.

From:
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletic...609912,00.html

The gene genie is out of the bottle

It is sport's doomsday scenario: a new wave of performance-enhancing drugs
whose use is utterly undetectable. And, according to the scientists and world

doping experts who met at a special conference in London yesterday, that
doomsday is already nigh.

The key, they say, is genetic manipulation. By the Athens Olympics in 2004,
dozens if not hundreds of athletes are expected to have experimented with the
rapidly emerging range of gene-altering drugs. Unfettered by fears of being
caught they will, according to the experts, shatter the accepted limits of
human performance.

"I think genetic engineering may have already started," said the former
Norwegian speed-skating champion Johann Olav Koss, a doctor and member of the
International Olympic Committee's World Anti-Doping Agency. "We can't be
naive. We must be realistic."

In recent years geneticists have made major advances in gene therapy. This
involves injecting the body with artificial genes which then produce
therapeutic proteins that can limit the spread of disease and ease chronic
pain. The technique, while still being tested experimentally on humans, has
already been used successfully on animals. But that is not the end of the
story.

"While the information from genetic science will lead to better disease
treatments," said Bruce Lynn, a neurophysiologist at University College
London and one of the organisers of yesterday's conference on genetics and
their role in sport. "It will also present the sports industry with a
Pandora's box."

snip

Researchers at London's Royal Free hospital and UCL's medical school recently
tested muscle-building engineered vaccines on mice. Dubbed mechano-growth
factor (MGF), a protein which makes muscles grow and repair themselves, the
vaccines were found to increase muscle mass by as much as 60% within a month
and with no exercise.

"We call them the Schwarzenegger mice," said a Harvard medical school
professor, Nadia Rosenthal, who has run similar experiments. "I'd be totally
surprised if it was not going on in sports. Those with terminal cancer and
Aids want to know 'What will keep me alive?' Athletes want to know 'What will
help me win?'"

But there is a cost, and not just the potential disintegration of sport as we
know it. Many drugs have dangerous, or even toxic, side-effects. Use of
human-growth hormone leads to enlarged organs and uncontrollable bone growth
in the face and hands; inserted genes could spin out of control, leading to
thickening blood, strokes, heart attacks and death.

snipend

"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in
message t...

Ever see the movie "The Fly"? Such a thing will be possible.

I have and I realize the possibility every time I read one of your moronic
posts.




Dumbass -

From:
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletic...609912,00.html

The gene genie is out of the bottle

It is sport's doomsday scenario: a new wave of performance-enhancing drugs
whose use is utterly undetectable. And, according to the scientists and world

doping experts who met at a special conference in London yesterday, that
doomsday is already nigh.

The key, they say, is genetic manipulation. By the Athens Olympics in 2004,
dozens if not hundreds of athletes are expected to have experimented with the
rapidly emerging range of gene-altering drugs. Unfettered by fears of being
caught they will, according to the experts, shatter the accepted limits of
human performance.

"I think genetic engineering may have already started," said the former
Norwegian speed-skating champion Johann Olav Koss, a doctor and member of the
International Olympic Committee's World Anti-Doping Agency. "We can't be
naive. We must be realistic."

In recent years geneticists have made major advances in gene therapy. This
involves injecting the body with artificial genes which then produce
therapeutic proteins that can limit the spread of disease and ease chronic
pain. The technique, while still being tested experimentally on humans, has
already been used successfully on animals. But that is not the end of the
story.

"While the information from genetic science will lead to better disease
treatments," said Bruce Lynn, a neurophysiologist at University College
London and one of the organisers of yesterday's conference on genetics and
their role in sport. "It will also present the sports industry with a
Pandora's box."

snip

Researchers at London's Royal Free hospital and UCL's medical school recently
tested muscle-building engineered vaccines on mice. Dubbed mechano-growth
factor (MGF), a protein which makes muscles grow and repair themselves, the
vaccines were found to increase muscle mass by as much as 60% within a month
and with no exercise.

"We call them the Schwarzenegger mice," said a Harvard medical school
professor, Nadia Rosenthal, who has run similar experiments. "I'd be totally
surprised if it was not going on in sports. Those with terminal cancer and
Aids want to know 'What will keep me alive?' Athletes want to know 'What will
help me win?'"

But there is a cost, and not just the potential disintegration of sport as we
know it. Many drugs have dangerous, or even toxic, side-effects. Use of
human-growth hormone leads to enlarged organs and uncontrollable bone growth
in the face and hands; inserted genes could spin out of control, leading to
thickening blood, strokes, heart attacks and death.

snipend

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in
message
Dumbass -

From:
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletic...609912,00.html


I could not find any references to super-athletic flies.

"Nick Burns" wrote in message
m...

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in
message
Dumbass -

From:
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletic...609912,00.html


I could not find any references to super-athletic flies.





Dumbass -

I wasn't talking about super-athletic flies, persay, just that it will be
possible to morph humans into beings that most of us may consider to be
non-human.

They can change genes in your body, system-wide, on the go, with those
techniques. The genes of a chimpanzee differ from a human by 2%.

BTW, genetic vaccines have been the subject of talk among the pro racers. Of
course, they're generally not happy about the prospect, although it doesn't
seem like anyone is suspected of it (yet).


here's mo

From:
http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/geno...ity/alike.html

Humans don't appear to have much in common with mice and worms. Yet within
the cells of each are genes, operating instructions made of DNA. Despite the
differences among organisms-wings, leaves, feet or fins-most share a
surprising number of genes. Humans and one species of worm, for example,
share 21% of their genes; humans and mice share 90%. Scientists compare the
genes of plants, animals and humans primarily to learn more about ourselves.

Fruit fly36%
Mouse90%
Roundworm21%
Yeast23%
Thale cress15%
Zebrafish85%
E coli7%
Chimp98%
Rat90%

snipend