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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 06:34:34 -0800, sms wrote:
On 1/15/2020 7:31 PM, news18 wrote: snip That is an arse pluck from a well know, log temr mouth frothing supporter of mandatory helmet law. I have never favored MHLs. snip folksy diversion of the point. However there is no dispute about the benefits of helmets in terms of injury prevention and reduction. The scientific evidence is irrefutable. The statistical evidence is irrefutable. If you narrow the field of comparison, a lot of ideas look just great. examined in the wide field of real life they don't. snip folksy. Also, there has never been any evidence that variations in bicycle usage varies based on the presence or absence of the encouragement or requirement of helmet usage. Lol, the evidence is there to see. It was very much evident in Australia when mandatory helmet laws were first introduced. This point was mentioned in that article. |
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 16:07:05 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 1/16/2020 2:04 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: I like the idea of the Bontrager Q-Cell helmet which is designed specifically to prevent concussions rather than skull fracture... "Designed to" is one of the most optimistic phrases used in advertising. No Frank, that is a perfectly valid claim.... especially when you add the phrase "to be marketed" :-) -- cheers, John B. |
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:04:11 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote: Helmets do offer protection because that's what they are designed to do. Helmets are designed to protect against road rash and dropped wrenches. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net |
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On 1/16/2020 7:15 AM, jbeattie wrote:
snip Every crash is preventable, just don't ride your bike, and if you must ride, don't (1) ride in a group, (2) ride near cars or pedestrians, (3) ride in low traction environment like wet, snowy or icy roads. Riding at night is probably a bad idea, and never, ever ride a mountain bike on an actual trail. My last crash was dopey, but I wasn't doing anything wrong. My friend bobbled and ran into me -- which would be no big deal except that our bars got tangled. I bumped people a million times on the track, but hitting elbows or shoulders is different from getting equipment tangled up. I would dispute the part about riding at night. I find that cyclists riding at night, with good lighting systems, are actually more visible than daytime riders with no lights, and just as visible as daytime riders that use DRLs. Frank also lives in this idyllic village where drivers waive and congratulate him on his fine dyno lighting. In downtown PDX, I'm dodging students and/or lunatic homeless people launching off the curb into the road willy-nilly. I was JRA in the middle of the lane on 9/11/01 and a bus hit me from behind. WTF? I wasn't hurt, but sh** happens even when you're riding in the middle of the lane and "controlling traffic." Oh man, no one has ever congratulated me on my fine dyno lighting which I suspect is even finer than Frank's. I guess there's now a good reason to visit Ohio. Perhaps in his village there are so few night-time riders that Frank is worshiped as some kind of dyno god. In 2003 I was riding home from work with my homebrew lighting system that used two 14 watt 12V sealed beam halogen lamps and a kid called out "nice lights." Does that count as "congratulations?" It was unsolicited praise. These days good lights are so common that no one would think to praise a cyclists using them. |
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On 1/16/2020 7:58 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 16.01.2020 um 15:34 schrieb sms: I have never favored MHLs. However there is no dispute about the benefits of helmets in terms of injury prevention and reduction. The scientific evidence is irrefutable. The statistical evidence is irrefutable. Yes, there is dispute about the benefits of helmets.Â* Hospital studies all clearly show that helmets are useful while population studies show that helmets are useless.Â* This discrepancy has not been resolved, hence it is not known whether ans to which extent helmets are useful. Sadly, a population study is not going to offer you much protection in a head-impact crash. |
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On 1/16/2020 11:17 AM, Duane wrote:
snip Do you have hipsters in PDX?Â* They're all over the mountain here.Â* Doing wheelies down the mountain on fixies while texting their buddies and grooving to their ear buds.Â* I started handing out cards telling them the cheap wine is free in Ohio. Not going to work. Trader Joe's lowered the price of "Two Buck Chuck" back to $2. |
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On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 8:48:53 PM UTC-8, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:04:11 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich wrote: Helmets do offer protection because that's what they are designed to do. Helmets are designed to protect against road rash and dropped wrenches. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net I agree with you. I was pointing out that the Bontrager helmet is designed to also prevent concussion which other helmet are not. |
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Here's a photograph of the helmet which saved me from stitches, concussion, blood poisoning, or worse, in the incident reported below.
http://www.coolmainpress.com/miscima...ash_883pxh.jpg The dent is visible as is the cow dung the helmet picked up from the farm road. On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 12:10:13 PM UTC, Andre Jute wrote: I wear the helmet routinely. I've had plastic surgery done to my face and don't fancy it again. Mine was minor but I've seen major surgery and am even less keen on that. There was a recent incident in which the helmet at least saved me stitches. I wasn't riding the bike at the time. I had stopped in the middle of a small country road to paint a scene and as I got off the bike, the back of my sandal got hooked on the bike and I fell over backwards with the bike on top of me. My head hit the tarmac hard enough for a spectacular display of stars and to knock me out momentarily. Without the helmet there would have been at least a trip to the surgery for stitches in my scalp and possibly a concussion, maybe not as serious as Tom's but still dangerous enough. As it was, the truckie who stopped and put me on my feet asked me three times if I wouldn't rather have him drop me at my doctor's. But I know quite a bit about concussions, and was okay enough to paint the scene and then turn for home without completing the rest of the ride, just in case I passed out on one of the faster sections and did myself some damage. The next day it was all a memory, instead of hurting from a cut scalp for a couple of weeks. That makes wearing the helmet worthwhile. Andre Jute Deja vu |
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On Friday, January 17, 2020 at 7:38:45 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 1/16/2020 11:17 AM, Duane wrote: snip Do you have hipsters in PDX?Â* They're all over the mountain here.Â* Doing wheelies down the mountain on fixies while texting their buddies and grooving to their ear buds.Â* I started handing out cards telling them the cheap wine is free in Ohio. Not going to work. Trader Joe's lowered the price of "Two Buck Chuck" back to $2. Free is better than $2, and Ohio has other inducements. They're basically giving houses away. Go to Redfin and look at Youngstown. https://www.redfin..com/OH/Youngstow.../home/71983689 Ay chihuahua! A hipster could buy a house there and fill it with wine. -- Jay Beattie. |
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