Education 'better than speed limits' for cyclists

On 01/07/2020 17:21, Mike Collins wrote:
On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 14:30:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2020 01:18, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:47:48 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 17:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE:
A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of Man believes better
awareness rather than lower speed limits would help riders feel safer on
the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter to Manx
politicians this week calling for reduced speed limits to aid vulnerable
road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close passes" posed
a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there would be fewer
accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph (and less in
places also used by pedestrians), would there be any reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean "doubted by
a reasonable person of at least average intelligence, exercising
reasonable judgement", which might well be... er... different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

What?

Are you sane?

[That was rhetorical. We already know that the answer is "No".]

Sticks and stones.

Irony is not of your stronger skills, is it?

Irony rusts very quickly on usenet.

That's actually something of an improvement on your usual tactics.

Perhaps you're learning.

Or perhaps not.

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:24:55 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 17:21 1 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 14:30:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2020 01:18, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:47:48 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 17:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE:
A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of Man believes
better awareness rather than lower speed limits would help
riders feel safer on the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter to Manx
politicians this week calling for reduced speed limits to aid
vulnerable road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close
passes" posed a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is education,"
he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there would be
fewer accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph (and
less in places also used by pedestrians), would there be any
reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean
"doubted by a reasonable person of at least average intelligence,
exercising reasonable judgement", which might well be... er...
different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

What?

Are you sane?

[That was rhetorical. We already know that the answer is "No".]

Sticks and stones.

Irony is not of your stronger skills, is it?

Irony rusts very quickly on usenet.

Is wordplay what passes for wisdom there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KRqeDEQcYk

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:24:55 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 17:21 1 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 14:30:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2020 01:18, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:47:48 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 17:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE:
A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of Man believes
better awareness rather than lower speed limits would help
riders feel safer on the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter to Manx
politicians this week calling for reduced speed limits to aid
vulnerable road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close
passes" posed a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is education,"
he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there would be
fewer accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph (and
less in places also used by pedestrians), would there be any
reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean
"doubted by a reasonable person of at least average intelligence,
exercising reasonable judgement", which might well be... er...
different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

What?

Are you sane?

[That was rhetorical. We already know that the answer is "No".]

Sticks and stones.

Irony is not of your stronger skills, is it?

Irony rusts very quickly on usenet.

Is wordplay what passes for wisdom there?

Pamela took a drink but she will drink no more
What she thought was H2O was H2SO4.

On 01:56 2 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:24:55 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 17:21 1 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 14:30:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2020 01:18, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:47:48 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 17:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE: A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of Man
believes better awareness rather than lower speed limits
would help riders feel safer on the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter to
Manx politicians this week calling for reduced speed limits
to aid vulnerable road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close
passes" posed a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is
education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there would
be fewer accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph (and
less in places also used by pedestrians), would there be any
reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean
"doubted by a reasonable person of at least average
intelligence, exercising reasonable judgement", which might
well be... er... different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

What?

Are you sane?

[That was rhetorical. We already know that the answer is "No".]

Sticks and stones.

Irony is not of your stronger skills, is it?

Irony rusts very quickly on usenet.

Is wordplay what passes for wisdom there?

Pamela took a drink but she will drink no more
What she thought was H2O was H2SO4.

Doggerel is now wisdom? Maybe for you.

On Thursday, 2 July 2020 08:32:23 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 01:56 2 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:24:55 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 17:21 1 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 14:30:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2020 01:18, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:47:48 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 17:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE: A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of Man
believes better awareness rather than lower speed limits
would help riders feel safer on the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter to
Manx politicians this week calling for reduced speed limits
to aid vulnerable road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close
passes" posed a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is
education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there would
be fewer accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph (and
less in places also used by pedestrians), would there be any
reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean
"doubted by a reasonable person of at least average
intelligence, exercising reasonable judgement", which might
well be... er... different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

What?

Are you sane?

[That was rhetorical. We already know that the answer is "No".]

Sticks and stones.

Irony is not of your stronger skills, is it?

Irony rusts very quickly on usenet.

Is wordplay what passes for wisdom there?

Pamela took a drink but she will drink no more
What she thought was H2O was H2SO4.

Doggerel is now wisdom? Maybe for you.

Isn't Kingston Doggerel a village in Wiltshire?

On 08:49 2 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Thursday, 2 July 2020 08:32:23 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 01:56 2 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:24:55 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 17:21 1 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 14:30:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2020 01:18, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:47:48 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 17:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE: A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of
Man believes better awareness rather than lower speed
limits would help riders feel safer on the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter
to Manx politicians this week calling for reduced speed
limits to aid vulnerable road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close
passes" posed a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is
education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there
would be fewer accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph
(and less in places also used by pedestrians), would there
be any reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean
"doubted by a reasonable person of at least average
intelligence, exercising reasonable judgement", which might
well be... er... different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

What?

Are you sane?

[That was rhetorical. We already know that the answer is
"No".]

Sticks and stones.

Irony is not of your stronger skills, is it?

Irony rusts very quickly on usenet.

Is wordplay what passes for wisdom there?

Pamela took a drink but she will drink no more
What she thought was H2O was H2SO4.

Doggerel is now wisdom? Maybe for you.

Isn't Kingston Doggerel a village in Wiltshire?

Now imbecility attempts to pass as wit.

On Thursday, 2 July 2020 13:47:32 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 08:49 2 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Thursday, 2 July 2020 08:32:23 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 01:56 2 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:24:55 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 17:21 1 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 14:30:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2020 01:18, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:47:48 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 17:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE: A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of
Man believes better awareness rather than lower speed
limits would help riders feel safer on the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter
to Manx politicians this week calling for reduced speed
limits to aid vulnerable road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close
passes" posed a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is
education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there
would be fewer accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph
(and less in places also used by pedestrians), would there
be any reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean
"doubted by a reasonable person of at least average
intelligence, exercising reasonable judgement", which might
well be... er... different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

What?

Are you sane?

[That was rhetorical. We already know that the answer is
"No".]

Sticks and stones.

Irony is not of your stronger skills, is it?

Irony rusts very quickly on usenet.

Is wordplay what passes for wisdom there?

Pamela took a drink but she will drink no more
What she thought was H2O was H2SO4.

Doggerel is now wisdom? Maybe for you.

Isn't Kingston Doggerel a village in Wiltshire?

Now imbecility attempts to pass as wit.

Clearly you make a living based on your wit. Half a living is better than nothing.

On 02/07/2020 13:47, Pamela wrote:
On 08:49 2 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Thursday, 2 July 2020 08:32:23 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 01:56 2 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:24:55 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 17:21 1 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 14:30:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2020 01:18, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:47:48 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 17:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE: A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of
Man believes better awareness rather than lower speed
limits would help riders feel safer on the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter
to Manx politicians this week calling for reduced speed
limits to aid vulnerable road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close
passes" posed a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is
education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there
would be fewer accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph
(and less in places also used by pedestrians), would there
be any reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean
"doubted by a reasonable person of at least average
intelligence, exercising reasonable judgement", which might
well be... er... different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

What?

Are you sane?

[That was rhetorical. We already know that the answer is
"No".]

Sticks and stones.

Irony is not of your stronger skills, is it?

Irony rusts very quickly on usenet.

Is wordplay what passes for wisdom there?

Pamela took a drink but she will drink no more
What she thought was H2O was H2SO4.

Doggerel is now wisdom? Maybe for you.

Isn't Kingston Doggerel a village in Wiltshire?

Now imbecility attempts to pass as wit.

It's Jester/Fool, isn't it?

He thinks he's being witty. He really does.

On 02/07/2020 15:22, Mike Collins wrote:
On Thursday, 2 July 2020 13:47:32 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 08:49 2 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Thursday, 2 July 2020 08:32:23 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 01:56 2 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:24:55 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 17:21 1 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 14:30:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2020 01:18, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:47:48 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 17:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE: A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of
Man believes better awareness rather than lower speed
limits would help riders feel safer on the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter
to Manx politicians this week calling for reduced speed
limits to aid vulnerable road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close
passes" posed a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is
education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there
would be fewer accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph
(and less in places also used by pedestrians), would there
be any reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean
"doubted by a reasonable person of at least average
intelligence, exercising reasonable judgement", which might
well be... er... different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

What?

Are you sane?

[That was rhetorical. We already know that the answer is
"No".]

Sticks and stones.

Irony is not of your stronger skills, is it?

Irony rusts very quickly on usenet.

Is wordplay what passes for wisdom there?

Pamela took a drink but she will drink no more
What she thought was H2O was H2SO4.

Doggerel is now wisdom? Maybe for you.

Isn't Kingston Doggerel a village in Wiltshire?

Now imbecility attempts to pass as wit.

Clearly you make a living based on your wit. Half a living is better than nothing.

That is a bit better.

You're no Oscar or Dorothy Parker (still less a Winston), but that was a
slight improvement on your usual low standard of wit.