over half of cyclists jump red lights

On Friday, 29 November 2013 14:10:51 UTC, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message

The NI figures do compare like for like.

They compare FPN issued to motorists with FPN issued to cyclists.

for vastly different offences under different circumstances for different
vehicles and using different detection methods, different technology and
vastly different amounts of surveillance.

And there'd be a lot more if speed cameras weren't painted bright yellow and their locations publicised.

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On Friday, 29 November 2013 14:10:51 UTC, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message

The NI figures do compare like for like.

They compare FPN issued to motorists with FPN issued to cyclists.

for vastly different offences under different circumstances for different
vehicles and using different detection methods, different technology and
vastly different amounts of surveillance.

And there'd be a lot more if speed cameras weren't painted bright yellow
and their locations publicised.

But they are, so there aren't. We're trying to deal with facts here, not
your prejudices.

On Friday, 29 November 2013 14:25:37 UTC, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
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On Friday, 29 November 2013 14:10:51 UTC, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message



The NI figures do compare like for like.



They compare FPN issued to motorists with FPN issued to cyclists.



for vastly different offences under different circumstances for different

vehicles and using different detection methods, different technology and

vastly different amounts of surveillance.



And there'd be a lot more if speed cameras weren't painted bright yellow
and their locations publicised.



But they are, so there aren't. We're trying to deal with facts here, not
your prejudices.

It's a fact alright.

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But they are, so there aren't. We're trying to deal with facts here, not
your prejudices.

It's a fact alright.

Prove it.

"JNugent" wrote
On 29/11/2013 10:33, TMS320 wrote:
"Zapp Brannigan" wrote

I agree, but someone who makes the risk judgement to jump a traffic
signal
has no grounds for complaint if it ends badly.

How many end badly? And of those how many complain about it?

Most vehicle/cycle collisions occur nowhere near a traffic light -
whether
red, green or sky blue with pink spots. The standard driver defence
against
accusations of poor driving that "cyclists go through red lights" doesn't
wash.

Who has ever used the observed behaviour of others to defend poor driving

err... poor drivers, as I just pointed out.

"Mentalguy2k8" wrote
"TMS320" wrote
"Zapp Brannigan" wrote

I agree, but someone who makes the risk judgement to jump a traffic
signal has no grounds for complaint if it ends badly.

How many end badly? And of those how many complain about it?

Most vehicle/cycle collisions occur nowhere near a traffic light -
whether red, green or sky blue with pink spots. The standard driver
defence against accusations of poor driving that "cyclists go through red
lights" doesn't wash.

Of course it does. Jumping a red light demonstrates a clear disregard for
the law, an over-stated sense of importance, and a typically psycholistic
psyche of refusing to be slowed down regardless of the legal or safety
implications.

You're expecting us to believe that these cyclists rode within the law,
with consideration for others and with due regard for their safety and the
safety of others, all the way from their starting point *to* this specific
set of lights, and similarly *from* this specific set of lights to their
destination? A momentary aberration? ********.

Drivers are not entitled to be vigilantes. Even the courts try not to punish
the innocent and are not allowed to use violence as punishment for those
found to be guilty.

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"Mentalguy2k8" wrote
"TMS320" wrote
"Zapp Brannigan" wrote

I agree, but someone who makes the risk judgement to jump a traffic
signal has no grounds for complaint if it ends badly.

How many end badly? And of those how many complain about it?

Most vehicle/cycle collisions occur nowhere near a traffic light -
whether red, green or sky blue with pink spots. The standard driver
defence against accusations of poor driving that "cyclists go through
red
lights" doesn't wash.

Of course it does. Jumping a red light demonstrates a clear disregard for
the law, an over-stated sense of importance, and a typically psycholistic
psyche of refusing to be slowed down regardless of the legal or safety
implications.

You're expecting us to believe that these cyclists rode within the law,
with consideration for others and with due regard for their safety and
the
safety of others, all the way from their starting point *to* this
specific
set of lights, and similarly *from* this specific set of lights to their
destination? A momentary aberration? ********.

Drivers are not entitled to be vigilantes.

This isn't vigilantism any more than videoing white vans from your
handlebars.

Funny how you lot love posting your helmetcam videos and vehicle
registration numbers on Youtube but as soon as you're on camera, you don't
like it.

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 06:22:04 -0800 (PST),
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On Friday, 29 November 2013 14:10:51 UTC, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message

The NI figures do compare like for like.

They compare FPN issued to motorists with FPN issued to cyclists.

for vastly different offences under different circumstances for different
vehicles and using different detection methods, different technology and
vastly different amounts of surveillance.

And there'd be a lot more if speed cameras weren't painted bright yellow and their locations publicised.

And even more if speed cameras always issued FPNs to keepers whose
vehicles exceeded the speed limit by 1mph and more.

On 29/11/2013 14:54, TMS320 wrote:

"JNugent" wrote
On 29/11/2013 10:33, TMS320 wrote:
"Zapp Brannigan" wrote

I agree, but someone who makes the risk judgement to jump a traffic
signal has no grounds for complaint if it ends badly.

How many end badly? And of those how many complain about it?

Most vehicle/cycle collisions occur nowhere near a traffic light -
whether red, green or sky blue with pink spots. The standard driver
defence against accusations of poor driving that "cyclists go
through red lights" doesn't wash.

Who has ever used the observed behaviour of others to defend poor driving

err... poor drivers, as I just pointed out.

Have you any examples?

Just the four or five will do.

We won't go into your implied belief that anyone who is accused of "bad"
driving is automatically a bad driver.

On 29/11/2013 14:57, TMS320 wrote:
"Mentalguy2k8" wrote
"TMS320" wrote
"Zapp Brannigan" wrote

I agree, but someone who makes the risk judgement to jump a traffic
signal has no grounds for complaint if it ends badly.

How many end badly? And of those how many complain about it?

Most vehicle/cycle collisions occur nowhere near a traffic light -
whether red, green or sky blue with pink spots. The standard driver
defence against accusations of poor driving that "cyclists go through red
lights" doesn't wash.

Of course it does. Jumping a red light demonstrates a clear disregard for
the law, an over-stated sense of importance, and a typically psycholistic
psyche of refusing to be slowed down regardless of the legal or safety
implications.

You're expecting us to believe that these cyclists rode within the law,
with consideration for others and with due regard for their safety and the
safety of others, all the way from their starting point *to* this specific
set of lights, and similarly *from* this specific set of lights to their
destination? A momentary aberration? ********.

Drivers are not entitled to be vigilantes. Even the courts try not to punish
the innocent and are not allowed to use violence as punishment for those
found to be guilty.

Was there any point you were trying to make with that little rant?