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over half of cyclists jump red lights
On Friday, 29 November 2013 14:10:51 UTC, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message The NI figures do compare like for like. They compare FPN issued to motorists with FPN issued to cyclists. for vastly different offences under different circumstances for different vehicles and using different detection methods, different technology and vastly different amounts of surveillance. And there'd be a lot more if speed cameras weren't painted bright yellow and their locations publicised. |
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wrote in message ... On Friday, 29 November 2013 14:10:51 UTC, Mentalguy2k8 wrote: "Bertie Wooster" wrote in message The NI figures do compare like for like. They compare FPN issued to motorists with FPN issued to cyclists. for vastly different offences under different circumstances for different vehicles and using different detection methods, different technology and vastly different amounts of surveillance. And there'd be a lot more if speed cameras weren't painted bright yellow and their locations publicised. But they are, so there aren't. We're trying to deal with facts here, not your prejudices. |
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over half of cyclists jump red lights
On Friday, 29 November 2013 14:25:37 UTC, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
wrote in message ... On Friday, 29 November 2013 14:10:51 UTC, Mentalguy2k8 wrote: "Bertie Wooster" wrote in message The NI figures do compare like for like. They compare FPN issued to motorists with FPN issued to cyclists. for vastly different offences under different circumstances for different vehicles and using different detection methods, different technology and vastly different amounts of surveillance. And there'd be a lot more if speed cameras weren't painted bright yellow and their locations publicised. But they are, so there aren't. We're trying to deal with facts here, not your prejudices. It's a fact alright. |
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wrote in message ... But they are, so there aren't. We're trying to deal with facts here, not your prejudices. It's a fact alright. Prove it. |
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over half of cyclists jump red lights
"JNugent" wrote
On 29/11/2013 10:33, TMS320 wrote: "Zapp Brannigan" wrote I agree, but someone who makes the risk judgement to jump a traffic signal has no grounds for complaint if it ends badly. How many end badly? And of those how many complain about it? Most vehicle/cycle collisions occur nowhere near a traffic light - whether red, green or sky blue with pink spots. The standard driver defence against accusations of poor driving that "cyclists go through red lights" doesn't wash. Who has ever used the observed behaviour of others to defend poor driving err... poor drivers, as I just pointed out. |
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"Mentalguy2k8" wrote
"TMS320" wrote "Zapp Brannigan" wrote I agree, but someone who makes the risk judgement to jump a traffic signal has no grounds for complaint if it ends badly. How many end badly? And of those how many complain about it? Most vehicle/cycle collisions occur nowhere near a traffic light - whether red, green or sky blue with pink spots. The standard driver defence against accusations of poor driving that "cyclists go through red lights" doesn't wash. Of course it does. Jumping a red light demonstrates a clear disregard for the law, an over-stated sense of importance, and a typically psycholistic psyche of refusing to be slowed down regardless of the legal or safety implications. You're expecting us to believe that these cyclists rode within the law, with consideration for others and with due regard for their safety and the safety of others, all the way from their starting point *to* this specific set of lights, and similarly *from* this specific set of lights to their destination? A momentary aberration? ********. Drivers are not entitled to be vigilantes. Even the courts try not to punish the innocent and are not allowed to use violence as punishment for those found to be guilty. |
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"TMS320" wrote in message ... "Mentalguy2k8" wrote "TMS320" wrote "Zapp Brannigan" wrote I agree, but someone who makes the risk judgement to jump a traffic signal has no grounds for complaint if it ends badly. How many end badly? And of those how many complain about it? Most vehicle/cycle collisions occur nowhere near a traffic light - whether red, green or sky blue with pink spots. The standard driver defence against accusations of poor driving that "cyclists go through red lights" doesn't wash. Of course it does. Jumping a red light demonstrates a clear disregard for the law, an over-stated sense of importance, and a typically psycholistic psyche of refusing to be slowed down regardless of the legal or safety implications. You're expecting us to believe that these cyclists rode within the law, with consideration for others and with due regard for their safety and the safety of others, all the way from their starting point *to* this specific set of lights, and similarly *from* this specific set of lights to their destination? A momentary aberration? ********. Drivers are not entitled to be vigilantes. This isn't vigilantism any more than videoing white vans from your handlebars. Funny how you lot love posting your helmetcam videos and vehicle registration numbers on Youtube but as soon as you're on camera, you don't like it. |
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On 29/11/2013 14:54, TMS320 wrote:
"JNugent" wrote On 29/11/2013 10:33, TMS320 wrote: "Zapp Brannigan" wrote I agree, but someone who makes the risk judgement to jump a traffic signal has no grounds for complaint if it ends badly. How many end badly? And of those how many complain about it? Most vehicle/cycle collisions occur nowhere near a traffic light - whether red, green or sky blue with pink spots. The standard driver defence against accusations of poor driving that "cyclists go through red lights" doesn't wash. Who has ever used the observed behaviour of others to defend poor driving err... poor drivers, as I just pointed out. Have you any examples? Just the four or five will do. We won't go into your implied belief that anyone who is accused of "bad" driving is automatically a bad driver. |
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over half of cyclists jump red lights
On 29/11/2013 14:57, TMS320 wrote:
"Mentalguy2k8" wrote "TMS320" wrote "Zapp Brannigan" wrote I agree, but someone who makes the risk judgement to jump a traffic signal has no grounds for complaint if it ends badly. How many end badly? And of those how many complain about it? Most vehicle/cycle collisions occur nowhere near a traffic light - whether red, green or sky blue with pink spots. The standard driver defence against accusations of poor driving that "cyclists go through red lights" doesn't wash. Of course it does. Jumping a red light demonstrates a clear disregard for the law, an over-stated sense of importance, and a typically psycholistic psyche of refusing to be slowed down regardless of the legal or safety implications. You're expecting us to believe that these cyclists rode within the law, with consideration for others and with due regard for their safety and the safety of others, all the way from their starting point *to* this specific set of lights, and similarly *from* this specific set of lights to their destination? A momentary aberration? ********. Drivers are not entitled to be vigilantes. Even the courts try not to punish the innocent and are not allowed to use violence as punishment for those found to be guilty. Was there any point you were trying to make with that little rant? |
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