Routemasters (again)

On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 03:40:51 +0100, Phil W Lee
wrote:

"Max Demian" considered Fri, 2 Aug 2013
23:16:56 +0100 the perfect time to write:

"JNugent" wrote in message
...

The signals displayed by a traffic light mean stop, stop, stop, and
give way.
There is no Go, as even a green only allows you to proceed if the way
is clear.

Can you give the Highway Code reference (page number, etc) for that,
please?

Well it must be against some law to run someone over deliberately.

More specifically:
The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 section 36
(1)(d): the green signal shall indicate that vehicular traffic may
proceed beyond the stop line and proceed straight on or to the left or
to the right;
(2) Vehicular traffic proceeding beyond a stop line in accordance with
paragraph (1) shall proceed with due regard to the safety of other
road users and subject to any direction given by a constable in
uniform or a traffic warden or to any other applicable prohibition or
restriction.

So the most it can give is permission to proceed with due regard for
other road users.

Just like the "Give Way" sign.

No.

The "Give Way" sign normally means that other traffic has priority.

A green light normally means that you have priority.

In neither case can you presume the right to drive into another road
user.

Not "just like", closer to "the diametric bleedin' opposite"!

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Ian D

On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:53:01 +0000 (UTC), Peter Keller
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 20:12:46 +0100, Judith wrote:

sunshine

Why do people insult others?

Was that an insult!?

Peter Keller wrote:

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 20:12:46 +0100, Judith wrote:

sunshine

Why do people insult others?

people who insult are insecure and what they say to be mean is the deepest
fear they have about themselves its a control drama

Ah, and we should accept your unsupported view as the definitive
statement should we?

Perhaps you could have looked a little lower down the source you appear
to be misquoting (wikianswers):

"Other reasons could include boredom, desire to be funny, genuine or
learned hatred of another person or culture."

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Burn Hollywood burn, burn down to the ground

On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 13:27:01 +0100, Steve Firth wrote:

Peter Keller wrote:

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 20:12:46 +0100, Judith wrote:

sunshine

Why do people insult others?

people who insult are insecure and what they say to be mean is the
deepest fear they have about themselves its a control drama

Ah, and we should accept your unsupported view as the definitive
statement should we?

Perhaps you could have looked a little lower down the source you appear
to be misquoting (wikianswers):

"Other reasons could include boredom, desire to be funny, genuine or
learned hatred of another person or culture."

yes I suppose all those can apply to Judith.

On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 12:29:40 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote:

On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:53:01 +0000 (UTC), Peter Keller
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 20:12:46 +0100, Judith wrote:

sunshine

Why do people insult others?

Was that an insult!?

What else can it be?
It certainly was not on subject.

On Mon, 5 Aug 2013 08:40:55 +0000 (UTC), Peter Keller
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 12:29:40 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote:

On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:53:01 +0000 (UTC), Peter Keller
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 20:12:46 +0100, Judith wrote:

sunshine

Why do people insult others?

Was that an insult!?

What else can it be?

A feeble attempt at being funny?

It certainly was not on subject.

On 05/08/2013 22:27, Phil W Lee wrote:
Ian Dalziel considered Sun, 04 Aug 2013
11:21:42 +0100 the perfect time to write:

On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 03:40:51 +0100, Phil W Lee
wrote:

"Max Demian" considered Fri, 2 Aug 2013
23:16:56 +0100 the perfect time to write:

"JNugent" wrote in message
...

The signals displayed by a traffic light mean stop, stop, stop, and
give way.
There is no Go, as even a green only allows you to proceed if the way
is clear.

Can you give the Highway Code reference (page number, etc) for that,
please?

Well it must be against some law to run someone over deliberately.

More specifically:
The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 section 36
(1)(d): the green signal shall indicate that vehicular traffic may
proceed beyond the stop line and proceed straight on or to the left or
to the right;
(2) Vehicular traffic proceeding beyond a stop line in accordance with
paragraph (1) shall proceed with due regard to the safety of other
road users and subject to any direction given by a constable in
uniform or a traffic warden or to any other applicable prohibition or
restriction.

So the most it can give is permission to proceed with due regard for
other road users.

Just like the "Give Way" sign.

No.

The "Give Way" sign normally means that other traffic has priority.

A green light normally means that you have priority.

Nothing in the TSRGD says that.
In fact it describes a situation quite clearly in which you do not -
"proceed straight on or to the left or to the right" does not give you
priority over oncoming traffic when turning right, so your assertion
is not only wrong, but dangerously wrong.

Dear me, you must be desperate.

Even on a straight stretch of road without a junction, where traffic has
priority, or at a an ordinary priority junction (what you would "think"
of as a give-way junction between a major and a minor road), traffic
turning right does not have priority over traffic coming the other way.

And it gives no difference between the act of going straight on,
turning left, and turning right.
All a green light gives is a suspension of the prohibition on passing
the stop line. Nothing more.

Rubbish. There are all sorts of traffic light junctions, some of which
allow turning traffic priority over oncoming traffic.

You were just wrong (very wrong), that's all.

Live with it.

And the very presence of a traffic light is a warning that you should
be prepared to stop, just like a "Give Way" sign.

No, it is not.

You have to be prepared to stop *anywhere* where proceeding would result
in a collision. Not just at traffic lights - *anywhere*.

In neither case can you presume the right to drive into another road
user...

....*anywhere*, whether at traffic lights or not.

Not "just like", closer to "the diametric bleedin' opposite"!

Whatever your insurance company charges you for motoring cover, it's
clearly not enough.

You are acting childishly, M'Lud.

As per usual.

On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 10:08:39 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote:

On Mon, 5 Aug 2013 08:40:55 +0000 (UTC), Peter Keller
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 12:29:40 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote:

On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:53:01 +0000 (UTC), Peter Keller
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 20:12:46 +0100, Judith wrote:

sunshine

Why do people insult others?

Was that an insult!?

What else can it be?

A feeble attempt at being funny?

true.
Or an attempt to "score points" and make itself out to be somehow better
than us.

It certainly was not on subject.

On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 09:06:42 +0000 (UTC), Peter Keller
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 10:08:39 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote:

On Mon, 5 Aug 2013 08:40:55 +0000 (UTC), Peter Keller
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 12:29:40 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote:

On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:53:01 +0000 (UTC), Peter Keller
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 20:12:46 +0100, Judith wrote:

sunshine

Why do people insult others?

Was that an insult!?

What else can it be?

A feeble attempt at being funny?

true.
Or an attempt to "score points" and make itself out to be somehow better
than us.


When you say "us": do you mean the group known as "****wits"?

"Truebrit" wrote in message
...
"Truebrit" wrote:
Going from green to amber I would tend to agree with you but when the
lights
are in the opposite sequence and are going from green to amber

Judith" wrote:
Oh dear : not bright.

Truebrit" wrote:
Indeed. :-)
Proof reading never was one of my fortes. Of course the second line
should
read from amber to green. I did correct it in a later post.
Truebrit.

"Ian Dalziel" wrote
They never go from amber to green.


OK Mr. Picky. From red and amber to green. Happy now? Pedantic prick.


You say that as if it's a bad thing!
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Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God."