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South West trains doesn't want cyclists as 'customers'...
"Lozz" wrote in message et... Cycle commuters be damned, South West Trains doesn't want you. Cyclist without folding bikes should be banned from peak hour trains. Cyclists and their bikes take up valuable space on trains that could be used for a greater number of non-cycling passengers. This is economic reality. Non-folding cycles also obstruct access to doorways and along platforms at a time when there are large flows of passengers. Thats only because the rail companies have designed it that way! I'm not saying that railway companies should be doing nothing for cyclists. They should be adapting trains to carry more cycles off-peak with tip-up seats etc. and they should be making much more of an effort to improve cycle access to stations, as well as adding better facilities at stations (e.g. secure storage). Why not adapt trains to carry more cyclists at peak times? THough secure storage wouldnt bea bad idea but really woud only work at stations taht had 24-hour attendance unless the storage was prohibitively expensive., Cyclists would be much better off campaigning for something that is realistic. Why isnt it realistic if other countries can do it, indeed encourage it? I say this as someone who has some involevement with railway companies, cycling campaigns and local councils. Ah, now I see why it isnt realistic, because people like you are involved with railway companies etc. -- Tumbleweed email replies not necessary but to contact use; tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com |
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On 09 Jul 2004 16:40:05 GMT, dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
Cyclist without folding bikes should be banned from peak hour trains. Funny that last summer in Cologne, where the commuter trams ran on time, and lots of people with bikes got on and off, it didn't seem to stop the trams running on time and bother people getting on or off, or along the platforms, didn't stop lots of people using the trams... But even in Cologne it's not quite this easy. Weekdays, bikes are only allowed on trams and local trains between 09:00-15:30 and from 18:00. They are only allowed on buses 09:00-12:00 and from 18:00. You also have to pay ¤2 extra for the bike per journey although season ticket holders can take them free at certain times. Folders can be taken as free hand luggage. -- Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "He had delusions of adequacy." - Walter Kerr www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk |
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Cycle commuters be damned, South West Trains doesn't want you.
Cyclist without folding bikes should be banned from peak hour trains. Cyclists and their bikes take up valuable space on trains that could be used for a greater number of non-cycling passengers. This is economic reality. Non-folding cycles also obstruct access to doorways and along platforms at a time when there are large flows of passengers. I'm not saying that railway companies should be doing nothing for cyclists. They should be adapting trains to carry more cycles off-peak with tip-up seats etc. and they should be making much more of an effort to improve cycle access to stations, as well as adding better facilities at stations (e.g. secure storage). Cyclists would be much better off campaigning for something that is realistic. I say this as someone who has some involevement with railway companies, cycling campaigns and local councils. |
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On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:14:46 +0100, Michael MacClancy wrote:
On 09 Jul 2004 16:40:05 GMT, dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote: Cyclist without folding bikes should be banned from peak hour trains. Funny that last summer in Cologne, where the commuter trams ran on time, and lots of people with bikes got on and off, it didn't seem to stop the trams running on time and bother people getting on or off, or along the platforms, didn't stop lots of people using the trams... But even in Cologne it's not quite this easy. Weekdays, bikes are only allowed on trams and local trains between 09:00-15:30 and from 18:00. They are only allowed on buses 09:00-12:00 and from 18:00. You also have to pay ¤2 extra for the bike per journey although season ticket holders can take them free at certain times. Folders can be taken as free hand luggage. Sorry, but it appears that the situation in Cologne has now changed (I was looking at a website that is outdated). The VRS site now says that bikes can be taken on all public transport with no time restrictions although there is no right of carriage. The driver decides if there is sufficient room and can refuse to allow you onto the vehicle with your bike. Wheelchair users and prams have priority. The ¤2 charge still applies. -- Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others." -Samuel Johnson www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk |
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But even in Cologne it's not quite this easy. Weekdays, bikes are only
allowed on trams and local trains between 09:00-15:30 and from 18:00. They are only allowed on buses 09:00-12:00 and from 18:00. You also have to pay ¤2 extra for the bike per journey although season ticket holders can take them free at certain times. Saw lots being taken on trams all hours - honest. Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune **$om $ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- |
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private or rural dormitory living. I
just get irked when these people then go on to say that travel without a car is crap or impossible. Get irked then - it crap where I live. Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune **$om $ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- |
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On 09 Jul 2004 17:43:27 GMT, dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
But even in Cologne it's not quite this easy. Weekdays, bikes are only allowed on trams and local trains between 09:00-15:30 and from 18:00. They are only allowed on buses 09:00-12:00 and from 18:00. You also have to pay ¤2 extra for the bike per journey although season ticket holders can take them free at certain times. Saw lots being taken on trams all hours - honest. I believe you. See my other post. -- Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go." -Oscar Wilde www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk |
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On 9 Jul 2004 08:01:38 -0700, Howard wrote:
Hi folks, From Carlton Reids excellent 'Bikebiz' site... ( http://www.bikebiz.co.uk ). Cycle commuters be damned, South West Trains doesn't want you. It's worse than the leaflet suggests. In the first place, teh leaflet and the accompanying maps don't agree - one describes a different set of restrictions to teh other. Also, what the leaflet describes as current policy actually isn't. Furthermore, tehre are some really wacky things in there - for example, on some lines it will only be possible to take a bike if you have a bicycle reservation. Bicycle reservations, hopwever, will only be available to people who have season tickets of greater than a week - so if you want to take a bike, you need a monthly season. I don't know why they don't just implement an outright ban and be done with it. The major change for teh worse, however, is that in the peak hours currently you can take a bike in teh off-peak direction. That is, if travelling away from London, you can take a bike on a train at 08:30. thsi is perfectly sensible - those trains are very quiet, mostly they're shuttling back out only to head in again. The new restrictions, as well as more-or-less doubling teh duration of teh restrictions, applies the restrictions in both directions, so you can't head away from London on a near-deserted train with a bike! I have teh proposals in a combination of pdfs and a doc file if anyone wants to email me. I'm not sure how you'd make your commenst if you're not in a consulted organisation, however. regards, Ian SMith -- |\ /| no .sig |o o| |/ \| |
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Tumbleweed wrote:
"Lozz" wrote in message et... Cycle commuters be damned, South West Trains doesn't want you. Cyclist without folding bikes should be banned from peak hour trains. Cyclists and their bikes take up valuable space on trains that could be used for a greater number of non-cycling passengers. This is economic reality. Non-folding cycles also obstruct access to doorways and along platforms at a time when there are large flows of passengers. Thats only because the rail companies have designed it that way! A bicycle takes up the room of at least two people. You simply _cannot_ argue that. |
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This is interesting. I regularly see written-in complaints in railway
magazines and other forums about the carriage of bikes with train operating companies, South West Trains in particular. Compared to British Rail the privatised train operating companies seem to be in the railway game for profit rather than providing a helpful and convenient service. A bicycle's space usage on a train may be the equivalent of three passengers (perhaps), but the extra room it is taking up is not making the train operating company any more money, whereas three extra passengers are. The evident flaw with new multiple unit design is the fact that large baggage tends not to be taken into account, thus only minimal space is provided for typical bags and the odd case. When Network South East used to operate locomotive-hauled trains out of Waterloo, bound for Exeter, there would always be a designated part of the Mk1/Mk2 carriage (I believe it was the 'brake' coach) for the storage of large items such as suitcases and bicycles and this is even true with the old slam door stock now going out of service. New rolling stock design seems to ignore the storage aspect of travel completely and the only remaining trains which seem to be suitable for carriage of large baggage are the High Speed train sets (Intercity 125/225) and the remaining services with a Class 82 DVT at the rear. |
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