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LA Beats Out London, NY & All Other Cities In N. America & W. Europefor "Soul Destroying" Traffic
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LA Beats Out London, NY & All Other Cities In N. America & W.Europe for "Soul Destroying" Traffic
On 11/10/18 3:08 AM, Bret Cahill wrote:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...c ontent=asia Bret Cahill I note Bucharest is third on the list of the world's most congested cities for additional time spent stuck in traffic during evening peak hours as a percentage of estimated free flow speed. London does not even make it to the top 15. I was in Bucharest (pop only 1.9M) last summer, and I can vouch for how impossibly congested that city is. Things will only get worse all round the world unless the human population reduces drastically. |
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LA Beats Out London, NY & All Other Cities In N. America & W.Europe for "Soul Destroying" Traffic
On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 9:44:59 AM UTC, Peter Keller wrote:
I was in Bucharest (pop only 1.9M) last summer, and I can vouch for how impossibly congested that city is. I have driven around there a couple of times and they don't call it the "Paris of the East" for nothing! Terrible for driving in. |
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LA Beats Out London, NY & All Other Cities In N. America & W.Europe for "Soul Destroying" Traffic
On 09/11/2018 14:08, Bret Cahill wrote:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...c ontent=asia Traffic congestion in LA is relative, and seems much worse than it really is. The queues and slow traffic along the notorious 405 feel bad, but that's because the user has an internal expectation that movement along a freeway should be free-flowing. The real test is whether you could do 50 or 60 miles in other conurbations as easily as you can in LA. And you can't. The other comparator is to compare the freeways with the alternative surface routes. Imagine - just imagine - having to get from LAX to Encino along Sepulveda Boulevard... |
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LA Beats Out London, NY & All Other Cities In N. America & W.Europe for "Soul Destroying" Traffic
On 11/11/2018 09:20, Peter Keller wrote:
On 11/11/18 12:05 AM, wrote: On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 9:44:59 AM UTC, Peter Keller wrote: I was in Bucharest (pop only 1.9M) last summer, and I can vouch for how impossibly congested that city is. I have driven around there a couple of times and they don't call it the "Paris of the East" for nothing! Terrible for driving in. I was in Paris in about 1973. It was really awful, terrible and horrible then - cars everywhere, impatient drivers, road rage, rear-end collisions, the works. That's funny. I distinctly remember driving in Paris in both 1973 and 1983. The first thing I noticed was that though I expected traffic inthat capital to be as bad as that in London - it was nowhere near as bad. Quite free-flowing, in fact. I certainly never encountered any undue delay or queuing. Bucharest seemed even more congested with long periods of traffic at a standstill. Never been there. Almost certainly never will. I was again in Paris about 6 years ago, and what a transformation! There seemed to be far fewer cars (whether they are officially discouraged I don't know) and the drivers seemed much more courteous; waving others on, giving way often and all that. Traffic lights were rather irrelevant; cars, pedestrians, bicyclists etc just looked out for each other and arranged themselves and generally went happily on their way. And I could cross the Champs-Élysées and Place de l'Étoile on foot; certainly not possible in 1973. Go in August. It's a joy when so much of the traffic is on holiday, and I expect that all the blue-marked "payant" spaces are still free in August. |
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LA Beats Out London, NY & All Other Cities In N. America & W.Europe for "Soul Destroying" Traffic
On 12/11/2018 08:59, TMS320 wrote:
In France in 1973 there where 18000 deaths by motor vehicle. There are now 3500 but traffic has doubled. That is a big shift in attitude - and medical response. Interestingly, the figures have levelled off over the last 10 years, where the effect of NCAP should be seen. Making people feel too comfortable, perhaps? I seem to recall that there is evidence that people are willing to live with a certain amount of risk and will adapt their behaviour to the risk level. It may also be a mistake to seek easy solutions to minimise KSI figures if the cost of doing so outweighs the benefits. For instance I'm unconvinced that the change in behaviour that now requires children to be driven to school rather than walking on their own was a good move. |
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LA Beats Out London, NY & All Other Cities In N. America & W.Europe for "Soul Destroying" Traffic
On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 1:44:42 PM UTC, Tom.Evans wrote:
On 12/11/2018 08:59, TMS320 wrote: In France in 1973 there where 18000 deaths by motor vehicle. There are now 3500 but traffic has doubled. That is a big shift in attitude - and medical response. Interestingly, the figures have levelled off over the last 10 years, where the effect of NCAP should be seen. Making people feel too comfortable, perhaps? I seem to recall that there is evidence that people are willing to live with a certain amount of risk and will adapt their behaviour to the risk level. It may also be a mistake to seek easy solutions to minimise KSI figures if the cost of doing so outweighs the benefits. For instance I'm unconvinced that the change in behaviour that now requires children to be driven to school rather than walking on their own was a good move. Exactly. As Mayer Hillman said "Saying that the roads are getting safer is like saying a shark infested river is safe because people choose not to swim in it." |
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LA Beats Out London, NY & All Other Cities In N. America & W.Europe for "Soul Destroying" Traffic
On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:00:01 AM UTC, TMS320 wrote:
On 11/11/2018 09:20, Peter Keller wrote: On 11/11/18 12:05 AM, wrote: On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 9:44:59 AM UTC, Peter Keller wrote: I was in Bucharest (pop only 1.9M) last summer, and I can vouch for how impossibly congested that city is. I have driven around there a couple of times and they don't call it the "Paris of the East" for nothing! Terrible for driving in. I was in Paris in about 1973. It was really awful, terrible and horrible then - cars everywhere, impatient drivers, road rage, rear-end collisions, the works. Bucharest seemed even more congested with long periods of traffic at a standstill. I was again in Paris about 6 years ago, and what a transformation! There seemed to be far fewer cars (whether they are officially discouraged I don't know) and the drivers seemed much more courteous; waving others on, giving way often and all that. Traffic lights were rather irrelevant; cars, pedestrians, bicyclists etc just looked out for each other and arranged themselves and generally went happily on their way. And I could cross the Champs-Élysées and Place de l'Étoile on foot; certainly not possible in 1973. In France in 1973 there where 18000 deaths by motor vehicle. There are now 3500 but traffic has doubled. That is a big shift in attitude - and medical response. We saved their Froggy asses in WWII, they would be speaking German if it wasn't for us. |
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