Yet another pavement motorist kills.

On Apr 28, 9:34*am, "Norman Wells" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On Apr 26, 8:57 am, "Norman Wells" wrote:
Doug wrote:
Cyclists please take note, you are not safe from motorists even in
your front gardens.

"A woman has been arrested after a teenager died when a car smashed
through a garden fence and ploughed into him.

You're right yet again, Doug. There ought to be a law against it.

"The 41-year-old driver was arrested on suspicion of causing death by
dangerous driving"

Oh! There is!

Unfortunately though the law, such as it is, doesn't stop motorists
from killing people or posing a serious threat to vulnerable cyclists
and pedestrians, who incidentally can't kill motorists, a point
ignored by law.

Of course, no law has ever stopped people doing anything. *They're not
designed to do that, you see, but only to punish them if they do.

But the fact is that pedestrians and cyclists can and do kill motorists.
They cause several accidents every year in which motorists die.

I take it you are referring to driver loss-of-control when confronted
by an unexpected obstacle, usually caused by driving too fast to be
able to stop in time.

A cyclist colliding with a car cannot kill the driver but a motorist
colliding with a bicycle can quite easily kill the cyclist.

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A driving licence is a licence to kill.

On 29/04/2011 07:06, Doug wrote:
On Apr 28, 9:34 am, "Norman wrote:
Doug wrote:
On Apr 26, 8:57 am, "Norman wrote:
Doug wrote:
Cyclists please take note, you are not safe from motorists even in
your front gardens.

"A woman has been arrested after a teenager died when a car smashed
through a garden fence and ploughed into him.

You're right yet again, Doug. There ought to be a law against it.

"The 41-year-old driver was arrested on suspicion of causing death by
dangerous driving"

Oh! There is!

Unfortunately though the law, such as it is, doesn't stop motorists
from killing people or posing a serious threat to vulnerable cyclists
and pedestrians, who incidentally can't kill motorists, a point
ignored by law.

Of course, no law has ever stopped people doing anything. They're not
designed to do that, you see, but only to punish them if they do.

But the fact is that pedestrians and cyclists can and do kill motorists.
They cause several accidents every year in which motorists die.

I take it you are referring to driver loss-of-control when confronted
by an unexpected obstacle, usually caused by driving too fast to be
able to stop in time.

A cyclist colliding with a car cannot kill the driver but a motorist
colliding with a bicycle can quite easily kill the cyclist.

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.(Recently updated).
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.


Did you lose control of your vehicle when you encountered an unexpected
obstacle (a driver making an unsafe turn) when you had your accident?
You & the other vehicle collided so you must have been going to fast to
be able to stop in time.

Doug wrote:
On Apr 28, 9:34 am, "Norman Wells" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On Apr 26, 8:57 am, "Norman Wells" wrote:
Doug wrote:
Cyclists please take note, you are not safe from motorists even in
your front gardens.

"A woman has been arrested after a teenager died when a car
smashed through a garden fence and ploughed into him.

You're right yet again, Doug. There ought to be a law against it.

"The 41-year-old driver was arrested on suspicion of causing death
by dangerous driving"

Oh! There is!

Unfortunately though the law, such as it is, doesn't stop motorists
from killing people or posing a serious threat to vulnerable
cyclists and pedestrians, who incidentally can't kill motorists, a
point ignored by law.

Of course, no law has ever stopped people doing anything. They're not
designed to do that, you see, but only to punish them if they do.

But the fact is that pedestrians and cyclists can and do kill
motorists. They cause several accidents every year in which
motorists die.

I take it you are referring to driver loss-of-control when confronted
by an unexpected obstacle

Exactly.

usually caused by driving too fast to be able to stop in time.

No, not usually, but nearly always. It wouldn't be a fatal accident
otherwise, would it?

That can happen at any normal driving speed. And it's usually caused by
having to swerve round the unexpected obstacle.

If that obstacle is deliberately or negligently placed in the way, how would
you class that? Murder or manslaughter?

And how harshly should the courts deal with killer cyclists and pedestrians?

On 29/04/2011 07:06, Doug wrote:

A cyclist colliding with a car cannot kill the driver

Not so. You might be better off talking in terms of low incidence and/or low
probabilities, but your use of the word "cannot" is clearly wrong.

A human frame coming through the windcreen can cause fatal injuries to
vehicle occupants on its own, with that likelihood increasing further with
the usual resultant loss of control over the vehicle.

JNugent wrote:
On 29/04/2011 07:06, Doug wrote:

A cyclist colliding with a car cannot kill the driver

Not so. You might be better off talking in terms of low incidence
and/or low probabilities, but your use of the word "cannot" is
clearly wrong.
A human frame coming through the windcreen can cause fatal injuries to
vehicle occupants on its own, with that likelihood increasing further
with the usual resultant loss of control over the vehicle.

a cyclist caused a crash killing two drivers not that long ago in South
Africa, it is certainly not a common occurrence, but quite possible.

we know well that there are many pedestrians killed by cyclists.

On Apr 29, 6:18*pm, Phil W Lee wrote:

a cyclist caused a crash killing two drivers not that long ago in South
Africa, it is certainly not a common occurrence, but quite possible.

we know well that *there are many pedestrians killed by cyclists.

For an infinitesimally tiny value of "many".- Hide quoted text -

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Indeed.
None at all in '09.
Would that qualify as an infinitely tiny value of "many"?

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Simon Mason

On 29/04/2011 18:35, Simon Mason wrote:
On Apr 29, 6:18 pm, Phil W wrote:

a cyclist caused a crash killing two drivers not that long ago in South
Africa, it is certainly not a common occurrence, but quite possible.

we know well that there are many pedestrians killed by cyclists.

For an infinitesimally tiny value of "many".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Indeed.
None at all in '09.

What, none at all, in the whole world?