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More bicyclists behaving badly
On 9/19/2020 7:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/19/2020 8:32 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: I meant to include a link: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/u...-arrested.html Right I'm familiar. Meanwhile, same story different players: https://www.illinoispolicy.org/feds-...-bribery-case/ I don't doubt that there's plenty of underhanded action. Have you heard about the huge bribery scandal in Ohio, where the power company shelled out millions in bribes to get a law passed that something like 80% of the population hated? Then money was spent to buy off the firms that would otherwise have helped organize a referendum to repeal, a referendum which certainly would have passed. The publicity defending that bill was the most dishonest thing I've seen outside a Trump news conference - e.g. "The Chinese are against this bill because they want to take over Ohio's electric grid!" in expensive TV ads and in flyers mailed to every household. The Speaker of the House got arrested when the FBI got enough evidence, but the legislators (many elected by use of those bribes and donations) are still discussing whether or not to repeal the law. The effects of the bribe money and related campaign donations are far reaching, designed to cement the Republican control of the legislature. And yet: The Ohio Bicycle Federation has succeeded in getting several very good laws passed for Ohio bicyclists. That's without using bribe money, campaign donations or any dishonesty at all. Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 12:26:35 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/19/2020 7:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/19/2020 8:32 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: I meant to include a link: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/u...-arrested.html Right I'm familiar. Meanwhile, same story different players: https://www.illinoispolicy.org/feds-...-bribery-case/ Oddly, the bribery resulted in a rate increase to cover modernization of the grid and actually produced some benefit -- at least arguably, and the legislation was vetoed by the governor and then overridden. Reading the complete story leaves one puzzled. Bipartisan support for a piece of legislation promoted by a crook. https://tinyurl.com/y54vb5hv -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 3:42:08 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 12:26:35 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 9/19/2020 7:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/19/2020 8:32 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: I meant to include a link: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/u...-arrested.html Right I'm familiar. Meanwhile, same story different players: https://www.illinoispolicy.org/feds-...-bribery-case/ Oddly, the bribery resulted in a rate increase to cover modernization of the grid and actually produced some benefit -- at least arguably, and the legislation was vetoed by the governor and then overridden. Reading the complete story leaves one puzzled. Bipartisan support for a piece of legislation promoted by a crook. https://tinyurl.com/y54vb5hv -- Jay Beattie. Being from Illinois I can tell you all is not well here in politics. We have Chicago and downstate. The difference is like riding a bike or being pull around in the rear carrier. One is considered legitimate cycling the other just deals with a bike but no riding. In Chicago they ride the bike and we are seeming all pulled along. I like the city but something is wrong. Deacon Mark |
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On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) |
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On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Steve Weeks
wrote: On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) But, but, but. You all elected them. Or rather a majority of you all elected them. An impartial observer might tend to believe that you have the elected officials that you, or at least the majority of you all, desire. -- Cheers, John B. |
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John B. wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Steve Weeks wrote: On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) But, but, but. You all elected them. Or rather a majority of you all elected them. An impartial observer might tend to believe that you have the elected officials that you, or at least the majority of you all, desire. “Desire” is a bit strong, but some might claim that “deserve” would work in that sentence. |
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On 9/20/2020 7:25 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Steve Weeks wrote: On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) But, but, but. You all elected them. Or rather a majority of you all elected them. An impartial observer might tend to believe that you have the elected officials that you, or at least the majority of you all, desire. That was the old system. Now we've 'evolved' such that disaffected employees (lifer staff & temps thrown together) at the County Clerk's office get a month or so to edit the results as instructed. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 01:08:00 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote: John B. wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Steve Weeks wrote: On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) But, but, but. You all elected them. Or rather a majority of you all elected them. An impartial observer might tend to believe that you have the elected officials that you, or at least the majority of you all, desire. Desire is a bit strong, but some might claim that deserve would work in that sentence. I'm not sure, although I am familiar with the quotations of Joseph de Maistre, but I'm not certain that it accurately describes the scenario, although certainly if one elects the individual that is desired one could be said to deserve any and all results there of. However I much prefer the following and earlier quote, "False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing." as it so aptly describes modern society. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 20:13:07 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/20/2020 7:25 PM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Steve Weeks wrote: On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) But, but, but. You all elected them. Or rather a majority of you all elected them. An impartial observer might tend to believe that you have the elected officials that you, or at least the majority of you all, desire. That was the old system. Now we've 'evolved' such that disaffected employees (lifer staff & temps thrown together) at the County Clerk's office get a month or so to edit the results as instructed. Don't you have independent referees, or whatever you call them, to oversee the conduct and legality of the election? I ask as the U.S. seems to promote that scheme in foreign countries, or is that simply a matter of "do as I say, not as do I do"? -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 9/20/2020 8:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 01:08:00 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone wrote: John B. wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Steve Weeks wrote: On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) But, but, but. You all elected them. Or rather a majority of you all elected them. An impartial observer might tend to believe that you have the elected officials that you, or at least the majority of you all, desire. Desire is a bit strong, but some might claim that deserve would work in that sentence. I'm not sure, although I am familiar with the quotations of Joseph de Maistre, but I'm not certain that it accurately describes the scenario, although certainly if one elects the individual that is desired one could be said to deserve any and all results there of. However I much prefer the following and earlier quote, "False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing." as it so aptly describes modern society. I was reminded of Baltimore's Best. Mr Mencken: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/h_l_mencken_163179 "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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