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Coroner says: 4WD licence!!
Yes!! Finally someone gets it!!
This comes out of a very sad, tragic event. I don't know how much the pollies listen to the coroner - but we can only hope!! Read it all he http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117...-37995,00.html Title: "4WD licence recommendation" Cheers all, Absent Husband |
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Coroner says: 4WD licence!!
On 2005-05-17, Absent Husband wrote:
Yes!! Finally someone gets it!! This comes out of a very sad, tragic event. I don't know how much the pollies listen to the coroner - but we can only hope!! Read it all he http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117...-37995,00.html See also: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...5/s1370439.htm -- My Usenet From: address now expires after two weeks. If you email me, and the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@" to "usenet". |
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Coroner says: 4WD licence!!
Stuart Lamble Wrote: On 2005-05-17, Absent Husband wrote Yes!! Finally someone gets it! This comes out of a very sad, tragic event. I don't know how much th pollies listen to the coroner - but we can only hope! Read it all here http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117...4-37995,00.htm See also: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1370439.ht - My Usenet From: address now expires after two weeks. If you email me an the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@" to "usenet". I agree 100%. Specific Licence for 4WDs, vans etc bigger than norma sedan or station sedan. Ban cars from school grounds except i specially controlled set down arrangements. And have the traffi police blitz the parents dropping off kids and driving like idiots And make the licence test for 4WDs match the use for which 4WDs ar justified, ie off road driving, load securing skills, backing wit large trailer skills etc in addition to surburban driving skills. Steve -- SteveA |
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Coroner says: 4WD licence!!
SteveA wrote:
I agree 100%. Specific Licence for 4WDs, vans etc bigger than normal sedan or station sedan. Ban cars from school grounds except in specially controlled set down arrangements. And have the traffic police blitz the parents dropping off kids and driving like idiots. this would have to be ongoing. would have to have a serious deterant. would have to have ongoing TV and other advertising. would cost a lot of money. i'm all for it. but whats the likely hood that its going to happen? And make the licence test for 4WDs match the use for which 4WDs are justified, ie off road driving, load securing skills, backing with large trailer skills etc in addition to surburban driving skills. the problem is, many dirvers don't have suitable 'surburban' driving skills in the first place. what makes you think that these drivers are going to be able to learn more skills suitable to driving a new and differnt vehicle type? cynically, kim |
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Coroner says: 4WD licence!!
"SteveA" wrote: I agree 100%. Specific Licence for 4WDs, vans etc bigger than normal sedan or station sedan. Ban cars from school grounds except in specially controlled set down arrangements. And have the traffic police blitz the parents dropping off kids and driving like idiots. Agree very much with the sentiment here. However, speaking as a staff member at a school that provides next to zero bike facilities for staff (not at all unusual in suburban government schools), I do need to park my own car. How do you determine whether it's a staff or parent car? Security gate with ID key card? I'd like to see some real funding put into providing bike facilities atworkplaces. The recent laws for new buildings are OK but only go so far. What about existing buildings? And make the licence test for 4WDs match the use for which 4WDs are justified, ie off road driving, load securing skills, backing with large trailer skills etc in addition to surburban driving skills. Just ditch the big tax concession for all those 'farmers' as a start. Cheers Peter |
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Coroner says: 4WD licence!!
SteveA wrote:
Stuart Lamble Wrote: On 2005-05-17, Absent Husband wrote: Yes!! Finally someone gets it!! This comes out of a very sad, tragic event. I don't know how much the pollies listen to the coroner - but we can only hope!! Read it all he http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117...-37995,00.html See also: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...5/s1370439.htm -- My Usenet From: address now expires after two weeks. If you email me, and the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@" to "usenet". I agree 100%. Specific Licence for 4WDs, vans etc bigger than normal sedan or station sedan. Ban cars from school grounds except in specially controlled set down arrangements. And have the traffic police blitz the parents dropping off kids and driving like idiots. And make the licence test for 4WDs match the use for which 4WDs are justified, ie off road driving, load securing skills, backing with large trailer skills etc in addition to surburban driving skills. SteveA I fail to see why 4wds in particular are targetted here. "4WD" is a very generic term, and can range from small 4WDs smaller than your average sedan to landcruisers. Many sedans or station wagons are a lot larger than 4WDs. What about the new wave of "softroaders", which are hybrid 4WD and standard car? A special licence for 4WDs is a ridiculous concept, especially if judged on offroad driving abilit. Perhaps something more tangible such as increasing a new class of licence for cars beyond a certain weight is more realistic. But this isn't just limited to 4WDs... it can be any class of car. And many smaller 4WDs wouldn't fall within this category. I'm not sure exactly what the perceived safety risk with 4WDs is, in general. For larger 4WDs, visibility at lower heights, such as the height of a young child, is poor. It's equally poor for many new sedans which have the boot and rear window mounted high up on the car. In both cases visibility is poor. Also I'm sure bullbars are a part of this argument too. Ultimately it comes down to driver awareness, regardless of the type of car being driven. Joel |
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Coroner says: 4WD licence!!
Kim Hawtin wrote:
the problem is, many dirvers don't have suitable 'surburban' driving skills in the first place. what makes you think that these drivers are going to be able to learn more skills suitable to driving a new and differnt vehicle type? They're not. That's the point. My view would be compulsory testing under off-road conditions only for 4WDs. They've proved well enough they can pass tests in suburban areas and STILL can't drive, so further suburban testing isn't going to do squat to make them better drivers. Besides, I don't think that suburban 4WD testing would make any difference anyway. They just require different a driving style, different blind spots and different handling techniques. No different from two different vehicles anyway. Big whoop. Manditory testing off-road I think would be an excellent deterent to a purchase of 4WDs. The real 4WDers (I used to be one of them) would welcome a bit of a challenge over the dreary daily paved roads, and the suburbanites would keel over with a heart attack if they had to take their beloved daily waxed penis extension on gravel let alone off-road dirt. This is _why_ real 4WDers don't take their wives/girlfriends/partners whoever off-road with them, because if they ever did, they'd find out why one _shouldn't_. There is ENDLESS whining and carring on to slow down (from a slow walking pace) don't bump the car on purpose (never mind they're going through a 3 foot ditch at the time) and incessant more left, no, more right, no go straight the whole bloody time. Sorry, end rant. cynically, I was going to join my local Cynics Society, but didn't, because I don't think it'll make a damn difference... -- Linux Registered User # 302622 http://counter.li.org |
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Coroner says: 4WD licence!!
Absent Husband wrote:
Yes!! Finally someone gets it!! This comes out of a very sad, tragic event. I don't know how much the pollies listen to the coroner - but we can only hope!! Not in NSW. costa, the idiot that screwed the Railways and we hope is going to do the same to the roads has said "too hard". |
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Coroner says: 4WD licence!!
Peter Signorini wrote:
How do you determine whether it's a staff or parent car? Easy, do not allowed parents to drive into school grounds. Make them drop their child off on the footpath outside. Hopefully this is something they can do because they do it regularly. Driving into odd shaped car parks is not something the average parent is competent at. 2nd step is to regularly invite Mr Plod down to enlarged consolidated revenue because no matter how many times you send home a note, none of the idiot parents thinks that it applies to them. Unfortunately there is only one school in the 25+ around here that invites Mr Plod to bring his ticket book down and guess which school also has the best behaved classes {:-) |
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Coroner says: 4WD licence!!
Kim Hawtin wrote:
what makes you think that these drivers are going to be able to learn more skills suitable to driving a new and differnt vehicle type? Who cares, but perhaps a compulsory $10,000 driving course might cull a few. Valid for 5 years, with a refresher every 5 years. Don't motorcycle riders have to do a compulsory course in NSw now? |
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