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On 8 Jan, 15:14, JNugent wrote:
The incident in question *did* take place in London, didn't it?- Hide quoted text - The incident did, but your assertions began with "The driver of *a* motor vehicle..." suggesting this applied to all motorists. I still maintain that the driver need not answer questions about his demeanour on the road or the start & finish points of his journey. Nor do I believe that passengers in a motor vehicle are obliged to identify themselves or explain their presence in the vehicle (with the exceptions stated in my earlier post). I'm pretty certain I'm right but if you can cite evidence to the contrary I'll be happy to have learned something new. Calum |
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calum wrote:
JNugent wrote: The incident in question *did* take place in London, didn't it? The incident did, but your assertions began with "The driver of *a* motor vehicle..." suggesting this applied to all motorists. You are wrong. I wasn't for one moment suggesting that it applied to motorists in Pakistan, Colombia, Burkino Faso or Scotland. The incident took place in England. I still maintain that the driver need not answer questions about his demeanour on the road or the start & finish points of his journey. Nor do I believe that passengers in a motor vehicle are obliged to identify themselves or explain their presence in the vehicle (with the exceptions stated in my earlier post). I'm happy to let you think what you like. |
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On Jan 8, 3:42*pm, JNugent wrote:
calum wrote: JNugent wrote: The incident in question *did* take place in London, didn't it? The incident did, but your assertions began with "The driver of *a* motor vehicle..." suggesting this applied to all motorists. You are wrong. I wasn't for one moment suggesting that it applied to motorists in Pakistan, Colombia, Burkino Faso or Scotland. The incident took place in England. I still maintain that the driver need not answer questions about his demeanour on the road or the start & finish points of his journey. Nor do I believe that passengers in a motor vehicle are obliged to identify themselves or explain their presence in the vehicle (with the exceptions stated in my earlier post). I'm happy to let you think what you like. Yet you seem reluctant to substantiate your claim. There is no obligation (yet) to account for yourself to the police if you are not suspected of any crime. They may ask, you needn't answer. |
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On 8 Jan, 15:42, JNugent wrote:
calum wrote: JNugent wrote: The incident in question *did* take place in London, didn't it? The incident did, but your assertions began with "The driver of *a* motor vehicle..." suggesting this applied to all motorists. You are wrong. I wasn't for one moment suggesting that it applied to motorists in Pakistan, Colombia, Burkino Faso or Scotland. That's just plain silly. The incident took place in England. Fair enoughski, England it shall be: 1. "Additionally, the driver may be questioned about his demeanour on the road..." Please cite the applicable legislation (act(s) and section(s)). 2. "...and about the origin and destination points of his journey." Please cite the applicable legislation (act(s) and section(s)). 3. " He may also be required to listen to advice about his driving and behaviour. Please cite the applicable legislation (act(s) and section(s)). 4. " He may not leave the scene until authorised to do so by the police officer concerned. " Please cite the applicable legislation (act(s) and section(s)). 5. "Passengers in the vehicle may also be required to identify themselves and their presence in the vehicle explained. " Please cite the applicable legislation (act(s) and section(s)). Calum |
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On 8 Jan, 15:33, calum wrote:
On 8 Jan, 15:14, JNugent wrote: The incident in question *did* take place in London, didn't it?- Hide quoted text - The incident did, but your assertions began with "The driver of *a* motor vehicle..." suggesting this applied to all motorists. I still maintain that the driver need not answer questions about his demeanour on the road or the start & finish points of his journey. Nor do I believe that passengers in a motor vehicle are obliged to identify themselves or explain their presence in the vehicle (with the exceptions stated in my earlier post). I'm pretty certain I'm right but if you can cite evidence to the contrary I'll be happy to have learned something new. Calum I seem to recall that at a roadside census you were required to stop but did not have to give any details, the police would only be there to direct cars to the census point. I don't recall if it is the same if stopped by police. Francis |
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calum wrote:
JNugent wrote: calum wrote: JNugent wrote: The incident in question *did* take place in London, didn't it? The incident did, but your assertions began with "The driver of *a* motor vehicle..." suggesting this applied to all motorists. You are wrong. I wasn't for one moment suggesting that it applied to motorists in Pakistan, Colombia, Burkino Faso or Scotland. That's just plain silly. You're the one who insists that everything is different in Scotland. Please read my remarks as of application only in England and Wales (particularly when commenting upon something that apparently happened in London). The incident took place in England. Fair enoughski, England it shall be: It was England. It doesn't matter whether you agree or think it "fair enoughski". 1. "Additionally, the driver may be questioned about his demeanour on the road..." Please cite the applicable legislation (act(s) and section(s)). Are you alright? What legislation would *prevent* the police from asking him about it? 2. "...and about the origin and destination points of his journey." Please cite the applicable legislation (act(s) and section(s)). See above. 3. " He may also be required to listen to advice about his driving and behaviour. Please cite the applicable legislation (act(s) and section(s)). See below. 4. " He may not leave the scene until authorised to do so by the police officer concerned. " Please cite the applicable legislation (act(s) and section(s)). Please see below. 5. "Passengers in the vehicle may also be required to identify themselves and their presence in the vehicle explained. " Please cite the applicable legislation (act(s) and section(s)). See below. Now read this very carefully, because I shall type it only once. I don't know what happens in Scotland (though I have never found it very different from the rest of the UK whilst driving there), but in England and Wales, the police have the powers to address errant driving behaviour, including obstruction. They also have the powers to address car-theft and crime in general. And as well as that, they have the powers to address *suspected* cases of all of those. And they have the powers to stop drivers at random in order to check documents, driving entitlement, etc. Every thing I listed above falls within the categories of thing the police have powers to "do something about", either under the Road Traffic Acts and other highway legislation, or under the Theft Act or the law concerning offences agaisnt the person. I have no intention of descending to your level and giving the verbatim details in each case. It's all there if you search for it. But... if you don't believe me, I throughly recommend that the next time you are stopped by the police whilst driving (whther in Scotland or south of the border), you have the courage of your convictions and refuse to utter a word, to get out of your vehicle or even to stop for very long. |
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:20:21 -0800 (PST), francis
wrote: I seem to recall that at a roadside census you were required to stop but did not have to give any details, the police would only be there to direct cars to the census point. I don't recall if it is the same if stopped by police. But at a roadside census you _are_ stopped by the police. The officer directs you to the census point, where you are not obliged to answer the questions. |
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Doug wrote:
You see! Motorists do it too! Duhg, you're a snivelling whining hypocritical turd, just to ensure you dont reply! -- John Wright I used to drive a car a lot also. Duhg Bollen. It didn't happen. The whole thing was fabricated in a movie studio by Jewish film directors using realistic dummies to gain international sympathy and thus grab and retain a chunk of Arab territory and accumulate weapons of mass destruction with help from a complicit US. Duhg Bollens view of the Holocaust. Duhg Bollen promised a report on how Vince can reduce his carbon emissions by moving in November 2007. We're still waiting. |
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On 8 Jan, 09:34, Adrian wrote:
Tony Dragon gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: You see! Motorists do it too! "Hey, while in London this evening, flashing blue lights drew my attention to about 20 cars with Palestinian flags stuck on their windows driving along the embankments tooting horns. Yes but was it organized? Was it a demonstration? Was it a procession? Was it anything to do with this NG? Was it deliberately obstructing as many other road users as possible? I wonder how many of the demonstrators stopped their cars in the middle of busy junctions, got out, and waved the cars above their heads? Still, it's good to know that 20 protestors is now regarded as a "critical mass"... Probably takes up as much road space as 100 cyclists so yes I would call a convoy of 20 congesting cars a 'critical mass'. -- Critical Mass London http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk "More bikes, fewer cars!". |
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