Better Braking?

On 2/10/2020 11:13 AM, wrote:

snip

Really? You think you never offended people?

Lou


I think that he meant that he doesn't have any Usenet filters set up so
he sees every crazy post from everyone.

On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 11:13:21 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 7:09:54 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/10/2020 9:25 AM, wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 12:26:19 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/9/2020 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:27:52 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/8/2020 10:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 15:56:25 -0800, sms
wrote:

On 2/8/2020 3:14 PM, John B. wrote:

snip

Yes, he used to engage in quite aggressive guerilla marketing of those flashlights as bicycle lights as well as the assorted kludged mounts for them.

He still avows that you can't drill a hole for and install a Rivnut without destroying the bike unless you have a fully equipped machine shop.

I ignore most of his stances on everything.

Cheers

Another example of "mine" is better than "yours", except it is verbal
rather than material...

LOL, wow, Sir Ridesalot ignores my stances on everything, but still
reads it voraciously! OTOH he's been in my filter list for years since I
find no value in anything he writes.

The key thing is to lead by example. Don't try to tell people what to
do, explain to them why you made the choices you made. If they are
making bad choices maybe gently explain, with cites, why they might want
to reconsider their position.

I.e., your obsession with drilling holes in your frame may be fine for
you, but it's pretty important that people understand why they shouldn't
grab their power drill and do the same thing. Citing the opinions of
experts, as well as explaining the frame warranty policies of the
bicycle manufacturers, may upset you, but I'm pretty certain that you
understand why people might not want to copy what you do.

Firstly, a fact. Bicycle manufacturers drill holes in bike frames.
Do you believe that there are special tubes made, and used, when a
hole is to be placed in a frame? If you are that ignorant than a
perusal of any tube maker's catalogs will certainly teach you
differently.

As for an expert opinion? I believe that you are quoting Brandt who
rode a bicycle that had holes in the frame, as any photo will show
you.

I have no desire for people to copy what I do, but I do have a great
deal of dislike for those who tell lies simply to attempt to inflate
their, imagined, image as an expert.



IMVAIO, the Zefal Gizmo Clamps, the KLICKFix Bottle Fix, and the Minoura
bottle cage holder, are solutions to the problem that do not have the
downside of weakening the frame or allowing water to get inside the
frame. They look no worse that the various clamps that hold other
accessories, such as computers, onto the bicycle.

Everyone would prefer that their frame has cage bosses from the factory,
be they braze-ons or factory installed Rivnuts. When this is not the
case, the prudent method for adding bottle mounts is to use one of the
many clamps that are available.

Prudent? How so?

You lack the physical dexterity and the knowledge to successfully
drill a hole in a tube? . Or perhaps you lack the tools (a ruler) and
the knowledge to accurately locate the desired holes? Certainly in
that case I would suggest that you don't drill a hole

So yes, it is very possible that you should not drill holes in bicycle
frames as you appear to lack the skill and knowledge to do so
successfully.

You are really a very pitiful person, aren't you.

Careful, John! You're one step away from joining Sir, me and several
others on Scharf's "filter list." It's what he does with people who
prove he spouts a lot of nonsense.

It's the internet equivalent of covering one's ears and singing "La la
la, I can't hear you!" Very mature!

--
- Frank Krygowski


You and John B act like a 12 year old. Bringing up the drilling holes, one preference about bycycle lights, guerilla marketing again and again. Let it rest and respond to the actual post which was quite reasonable IMO.

What I brought up here was Scharf's bragging about kill files. My post
was accurate.

About dynamo lights: Scharf railed against them and insulted their users
for dozens of years. Ditto StVZO compliant lights. He now brags about
using them. It might be nice of him to apologize, or at least say "OK,
you guys may have been correct."

Based on the lighting issue, I think he'll eventually (10 years?) admit
that Rivnuts are not necessarily tools of the devil. But he'll continue
to insult those who told him so.

So? Still childish. 'Those without sin throw the first stone'. Did you ever apologize?

For what? Putting people in kill files? I don't have a kill file.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Really? You think you never offended people?

Lou

Well, no more often than every posting. Frank could insult the intelligence of a woodpecker.

On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 9:39:56 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 11:13:21 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 7:09:54 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/10/2020 9:25 AM, wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 12:26:19 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/9/2020 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:27:52 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/8/2020 10:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 15:56:25 -0800, sms
wrote:

On 2/8/2020 3:14 PM, John B. wrote:

snip

Yes, he used to engage in quite aggressive guerilla marketing of those flashlights as bicycle lights as well as the assorted kludged mounts for them.

He still avows that you can't drill a hole for and install a Rivnut without destroying the bike unless you have a fully equipped machine shop.

I ignore most of his stances on everything.

Cheers

Another example of "mine" is better than "yours", except it is verbal
rather than material...

LOL, wow, Sir Ridesalot ignores my stances on everything, but still
reads it voraciously! OTOH he's been in my filter list for years since I
find no value in anything he writes.

The key thing is to lead by example. Don't try to tell people what to
do, explain to them why you made the choices you made. If they are
making bad choices maybe gently explain, with cites, why they might want
to reconsider their position.

I.e., your obsession with drilling holes in your frame may be fine for
you, but it's pretty important that people understand why they shouldn't
grab their power drill and do the same thing. Citing the opinions of
experts, as well as explaining the frame warranty policies of the
bicycle manufacturers, may upset you, but I'm pretty certain that you
understand why people might not want to copy what you do.

Firstly, a fact. Bicycle manufacturers drill holes in bike frames.
Do you believe that there are special tubes made, and used, when a
hole is to be placed in a frame? If you are that ignorant than a
perusal of any tube maker's catalogs will certainly teach you
differently.

As for an expert opinion? I believe that you are quoting Brandt who
rode a bicycle that had holes in the frame, as any photo will show
you.

I have no desire for people to copy what I do, but I do have a great
deal of dislike for those who tell lies simply to attempt to inflate
their, imagined, image as an expert.



IMVAIO, the Zefal Gizmo Clamps, the KLICKFix Bottle Fix, and the Minoura
bottle cage holder, are solutions to the problem that do not have the
downside of weakening the frame or allowing water to get inside the
frame. They look no worse that the various clamps that hold other
accessories, such as computers, onto the bicycle.

Everyone would prefer that their frame has cage bosses from the factory,
be they braze-ons or factory installed Rivnuts. When this is not the
case, the prudent method for adding bottle mounts is to use one of the
many clamps that are available.

Prudent? How so?

You lack the physical dexterity and the knowledge to successfully
drill a hole in a tube? . Or perhaps you lack the tools (a ruler) and
the knowledge to accurately locate the desired holes? Certainly in
that case I would suggest that you don't drill a hole

So yes, it is very possible that you should not drill holes in bicycle
frames as you appear to lack the skill and knowledge to do so
successfully.

You are really a very pitiful person, aren't you.

Careful, John! You're one step away from joining Sir, me and several
others on Scharf's "filter list." It's what he does with people who
prove he spouts a lot of nonsense.

It's the internet equivalent of covering one's ears and singing "La la
la, I can't hear you!" Very mature!

--
- Frank Krygowski


You and John B act like a 12 year old. Bringing up the drilling holes, one preference about bycycle lights, guerilla marketing again and again. Let it rest and respond to the actual post which was quite reasonable IMO.

What I brought up here was Scharf's bragging about kill files. My post
was accurate.

About dynamo lights: Scharf railed against them and insulted their users
for dozens of years. Ditto StVZO compliant lights. He now brags about
using them. It might be nice of him to apologize, or at least say "OK,
you guys may have been correct."

Based on the lighting issue, I think he'll eventually (10 years?) admit
that Rivnuts are not necessarily tools of the devil. But he'll continue
to insult those who told him so.

So? Still childish. 'Those without sin throw the first stone'. Did you ever apologize?

For what? Putting people in kill files? I don't have a kill file.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Really? You think you never offended people?

Lou

Well, no more often than every posting. Frank could insult the intelligence of a woodpecker.

He probably has. Hark, what is that pick-pick-picking sound from the eaves? -- AJ

On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 6:02:36 PM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/10/2020 10:18 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 6:27:52 PM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Careful, John! You're one step away from joining Sir, me and several
others on Scharf's "filter list." It's what he does with people who
prove he spouts a lot of nonsense.

It's the internet equivalent of covering one's ears and singing "La la
la, I can't hear you!" Very mature!

--
- Frank Krygowski

This from Franki-boy, who brags constantly that I'm in his "kill file" (even though he always seems to know what I said) ...

A typical Jute lie. I have never said Jute was in my kill file. I don't
even have a kill file.

I have said I read very little of Jute's postings; and the little of
them I do read is typically done by speed reading or skimming.

Jute posts tend to be tediously long, rambling, egotistical, obnoxious,
filled with insults that might be penned by an eight-year-old, and
generally boring. They're simply not worth any significant time.

See http://www.cyclebanter.com/showthread.php?t=204228

--
- Frank Krygowski

Poor Franki-boy hates me so much that he keeps right handy on his computer a fact-free hit job on me from a wannabe writer called Peter Howard and offers it to us twice a year. What a worthless ******: he can't even write his own abuse.

Andre Jute
Frank-boy should take Slow Johnny's advice and STFU because every time he opens his mouth he exposes the vicious void inside him

On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 06:37:00 +0700, John B
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 16:41:35 -0600, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 09:44:45 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

People like what they like and that, for me, explains it fully,.

And tend to think that what they like is also what happens to be
right, and everyone else is therefore wrong. Which explains every
rec.bikes.tech flame war ever... ;-)

And what is so astonishing is how "they" just can seem to realize how
superior "Mine" are in comparison to all the others :-) -- cheers,

Yup. Ford vs. Chevy, Mopar vs. Ford, Packers vs. Bears, Christianity
vs. Islam, Campagnolo vs. Shimano, Republican vs. Democrat, tastes great
vs. less filling (and of course all vice versa). It's all religion of
one sort or another, which in turn is all tribalism. And little to none
of it has a basis in fact.

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 3:17:58 PM UTC, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 06:37:00 +0700, John B
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 16:41:35 -0600, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 09:44:45 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

People like what they like and that, for me, explains it fully,.

And tend to think that what they like is also what happens to be
right, and everyone else is therefore wrong. Which explains every
rec.bikes.tech flame war ever... ;-)

And what is so astonishing is how "they" just can seem to realize how
superior "Mine" are in comparison to all the others :-) -- cheers,

Yup. Ford vs. Chevy, Mopar vs. Ford, Packers vs. Bears, Christianity
vs. Islam, Campagnolo vs. Shimano, Republican vs. Democrat, tastes great
vs. less filling (and of course all vice versa). It's all religion of
one sort or another, which in turn is all tribalism. And little to none
of it has a basis in fact.

Global Warming v A Little Local Weather. No basis in fact either.

Andre Jute
Conservationist

On 2/11/2020 7:17 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:

snip

Yup. Ford vs. Chevy, Mopar vs. Ford, Packers vs. Bears, Christianity
vs. Islam, Campagnolo vs. Shimano, Republican vs. Democrat, tastes great
vs. less filling (and of course all vice versa). It's all religion of
one sort or another, which in turn is all tribalism. And little to none
of it has a basis in fact.

Even when it does have a basis in fact it doesn't matter.

You can cite peer-reviewed studies published in journals with impeccable
credentials, statistically sound surveys, and expert opinions, until
you're blue in the face and it won't matter to the people that have a
vested interest in ignorance.

On 2/11/2020 12:02 PM, sms wrote:
On 2/11/2020 7:17 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:

snip

Yup.Â* Ford vs. Chevy, Mopar vs. Ford, Packers vs. Bears, Christianity
vs. Islam, Campagnolo vs. Shimano, Republican vs. Democrat, tastes great
vs. less filling (and of course all vice versa).Â* It's all religion of
one sort or another, which in turn is all tribalism.Â* And little to none
of it has a basis in fact.

Even when it does have a basis in fact it doesn't matter.

You can cite peer-reviewed studies published in journals with impeccable
credentials, statistically sound surveys, and expert opinions, until
you're blue in the face and it won't matter to the people that have a
vested interest in ignorance.

Or a vested interest in sales. Or a vested interest in grabbing votes.
Or interest in never-ending "safety inflation" - which, I suppose, is
not much different from religion.

But I can't help but notice that nowhere above is "data" mentioned. I
tend to think in terms of benefits vs. detriments as indicated by real
data. It seems to be a rare and unpopular mode of thought.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/11/2020 9:12 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/11/2020 12:02 PM, sms wrote:
On 2/11/2020 7:17 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:

snip

Yup.Â* Ford vs. Chevy, Mopar vs. Ford, Packers vs. Bears, Christianity
vs. Islam, Campagnolo vs. Shimano, Republican vs. Democrat, tastes great
vs. less filling (and of course all vice versa).Â* It's all religion of
one sort or another, which in turn is all tribalism.Â* And little to none
of it has a basis in fact.

Even when it does have a basis in fact it doesn't matter.

You can cite peer-reviewed studies published in journals with
impeccable credentials, statistically sound surveys, and expert
opinions, until you're blue in the face and it won't matter to the
people that have a vested interest in ignorance.

Or a vested interest in sales. Or a vested interest in grabbing votes.
Or interest in never-ending "safety inflation" - which, I suppose, is
not much different from religion.

But I can't help but notice that nowhere above is "data" mentioned. I
tend to think in terms of benefits vs. detriments as indicated by real
data. It seems to be a rare and unpopular mode of thought.


"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary
depends upon his not understanding it!" -Upton Sinclair

Mark J.

On 2/11/2020 9:29 AM, Mark J. wrote:

snip

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary
depends upon his not understanding it!"Â*Â* -Upton Sinclair

Nice, but the reality is that for most "debates" on Usenet, no one's
salary depends on perpetuating ignorance, they do it for other reasons.

They will ignore peer-reviewed studies, statistically sound surveys,
indisputable data, and expert opinions, just because they want to save face.

They will never admit that whatever they are advocating for has no
logical basis.

It's fine to talk about what your preferences are, and the reasons for
them, but at least admit that those reasons may not apply to others.