Should cars be classed as drugs?

On Sunday, 9 February 2020 18:10:18 UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 09/02/2020 17:33, Mike Collins wrote:

On Sunday, 9 February 2020 17:01:08 UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 09/02/2020 16:06, Mike Collins wrote:

The average UK salary is £36Kpa which means take home around £2K per month of which £500 will be spent to feed a driving habit rather than looking after family.
These people need help.

£500 a month buys a lot of car-use. It probably refers to more than one car.

Are you sure you meant "average UK salary" and not "average UK household
income"?


I don't know. Why don't you do some research and report the outcome with references.

I had already done that but didn't anticipate your rejection of the
argument, particularly because average earnings are the stuff of news
reports every year.

But let's see...

www.google.co.uk

Enter: uk average pay 2020

... the same first return as half an hour ago...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNQ0Irm0nDkHAQvKNhU1823yc_deSg%3A 1581271251897&source=hp&ei=00hAXvCkNIKdlwTBhL64DQ& q=uk+average+pay+2020&oq=&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.35i362i39l10.0.0..4259...2.0..0.0.0.......0 .......gws-wiz.....10.qfk1QLqPO7g

Or: https://tinyurl.com/wn8n3ky

QUOTE:
Employee earnings in the UK: 2019

... Median weekly earnings for full-time employees reached £585 in April
2019, an increase of 2.9% since April 2018 ...
ENDQUOTE

Government departments involved with employment prefer to use weekly
figures if they can.

So...

Calculator app...

585 x 52 = 30,420.

You snipped a fair bit of my previous post.

Here it is in full:

QUOTE:
£500 a month buys a lot of car-use. It probably refers to more than one car.

Are you sure you meant "average UK salary" and not "average UK household
income"?

Current government stats have average (median) full time earnings at
£585 a week (just over £30,000 gross - much less net). Household income
will be higher than that.

AIH, I don't think I've ever been in the habit of spoending £500 a month
in car expenses. Not even including HP repayments. Well, when it did
exceed that for quite a while, I was collecting something between £500
and £1,000 a month in travelling (car-use) expenses. I certainly wasn't
paying £500 a month out of my own pocket (hardly anything, if anything
at all, in fact). But of course, I am not holding out my case as
representing the "average" (however defined).
ENDQUOTE

Happy to help.

Do you understand the difference between Gross and Net?

JNugent wrote:

AIH, I don't think I've ever been in the habit of spoending £500 a month
in car expenses. Not even including HP repayments. Well, when it did
exceed that for quite a while, I was collecting something between £500
and £1,000 a month in travelling (car-use) expenses. I certainly wasn't
paying £500 a month out of my own pocket (hardly anything, if anything
at all, in fact). But of course, I am not holding out my case as
representing the "average" (however defined).

I've never spent that much on running my own car. Even the Porsche
doesn't cost me that much. Mind you, that has done all its depreciation,
so there's a big saving. Ironically, the most expensive cars I've had on
a monthly basis have been company cars, because the government really
doesn't like people having a nice car for business mileage. They'd
prefer us all to be hacking up and down in 1lt city cars. Or bloody
massive 2-tonne battery filled behemouths.
--
Steve H

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 6:57:43 PM UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Simon Mason wrote:

I used to be forced to take a break and post, instead of not taking
breaks which is what I originally did.

And got to work either **** wet through or stinking of sweat.
Then you jumped of a bridge. ****.

Why don't you write to the widows of Keith Emerson, Gary Speed and Robin Williams and let them know what selfish gits their husbands were?

On 09/02/2020 16:06, Mike Collins wrote:

The average UK salary is £36Kpa which means take home around £2K per
month of which £500 will be spent to feed a driving habit rather than
looking after family. These people need help.

It is said that the threshold where tax paid exceeds benefits received
is about £30k. There are clearly a large number of people sponging off
taxpayers to pay their "road tax".

£500 a month seems a rather high figure though.

On Sunday, 9 February 2020 19:36:15 UTC, Steve H wrote:
JNugent wrote:

AIH, I don't think I've ever been in the habit of spoending £500 a month
in car expenses. Not even including HP repayments. Well, when it did
exceed that for quite a while, I was collecting something between £500
and £1,000 a month in travelling (car-use) expenses. I certainly wasn't
paying £500 a month out of my own pocket (hardly anything, if anything
at all, in fact). But of course, I am not holding out my case as
representing the "average" (however defined).

I've never spent that much on running my own car. Even the Porsche

There is nothing wrong with being gay, you were born that way.

Simon Mason wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 6:57:43 PM UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Simon Mason wrote:

I used to be forced to take a break and post, instead of not taking
breaks which is what I originally did.

And got to work either **** wet through or stinking of sweat.
Then you jumped of a bridge. ****.

Why don't you write to the widows of Keith Emerson, Gary Speed and
Robin Williams and let them know what selfish gits their husbands
were?

Tell us how much benefits you are sponging from the nation. You did brag
about it.
Tell us how much your treatment cost the NHS.
Come along Simon, you always boasted about your big pension pot.
****.

On 09/02/2020 19:35, Mike Collins wrote:
On Sunday, 9 February 2020 18:10:18 UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 09/02/2020 17:33, Mike Collins wrote:

On Sunday, 9 February 2020 17:01:08 UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 09/02/2020 16:06, Mike Collins wrote:

The average UK salary is £36Kpa which means take home around £2K per month of which £500 will be spent to feed a driving habit rather than looking after family.
These people need help.

£500 a month buys a lot of car-use. It probably refers to more than one car.

Are you sure you meant "average UK salary" and not "average UK household
income"?


I don't know. Why don't you do some research and report the outcome with references.

I had already done that but didn't anticipate your rejection of the
argument, particularly because average earnings are the stuff of news
reports every year.

But let's see...

www.google.co.uk

Enter: uk average pay 2020

... the same first return as half an hour ago...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNQ0Irm0nDkHAQvKNhU1823yc_deSg%3A 1581271251897&source=hp&ei=00hAXvCkNIKdlwTBhL64DQ& q=uk+average+pay+2020&oq=&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.35i362i39l10.0.0..4259...2.0..0.0.0.......0 ......gws-wiz.....10.qfk1QLqPO7g

Or: https://tinyurl.com/wn8n3ky

QUOTE:
Employee earnings in the UK: 2019

... Median weekly earnings for full-time employees reached £585 in April
2019, an increase of 2.9% since April 2018 ...
ENDQUOTE

Government departments involved with employment prefer to use weekly
figures if they can.

So...

Calculator app...

585 x 52 = 30,420.

You snipped a fair bit of my previous post.

Here it is in full:

QUOTE:
£500 a month buys a lot of car-use. It probably refers to more than one car.

Are you sure you meant "average UK salary" and not "average UK household
income"?

Current government stats have average (median) full time earnings at
£585 a week (just over £30,000 gross - much less net). Household income
will be higher than that.

AIH, I don't think I've ever been in the habit of spoending £500 a month
in car expenses. Not even including HP repayments. Well, when it did
exceed that for quite a while, I was collecting something between £500
and £1,000 a month in travelling (car-use) expenses. I certainly wasn't
paying £500 a month out of my own pocket (hardly anything, if anything
at all, in fact). But of course, I am not holding out my case as
representing the "average" (however defined).
ENDQUOTE

Happy to help.

Do you understand the difference between Gross and Net?

Of course.

Do you understand the difference between £30,420 a year and "£36Kpa"?

On 09/02/2020 19:36, Steve H wrote:

JNugent wrote:

AIH, I don't think I've ever been in the habit of spoending £500 a month
in car expenses. Not even including HP repayments. Well, when it did
exceed that for quite a while, I was collecting something between £500
and £1,000 a month in travelling (car-use) expenses. I certainly wasn't
paying £500 a month out of my own pocket (hardly anything, if anything
at all, in fact). But of course, I am not holding out my case as
representing the "average" (however defined).

I've never spent that much on running my own car. Even the Porsche
doesn't cost me that much. Mind you, that has done all its depreciation,
so there's a big saving. Ironically, the most expensive cars I've had on
a monthly basis have been company cars, because the government really
doesn't like people having a nice car for business mileage. They'd
prefer us all to be hacking up and down in 1lt city cars. Or bloody
massive 2-tonne battery filled behemouths.

That's part of the reason I declined to have a car provided and used my
own at HMRC-approved mileage rates. I had to pay no extra tax.

On Monday, 10 February 2020 02:04:03 UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 09/02/2020 19:35, Mike Collins wrote:
On Sunday, 9 February 2020 18:10:18 UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 09/02/2020 17:33, Mike Collins wrote:

On Sunday, 9 February 2020 17:01:08 UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 09/02/2020 16:06, Mike Collins wrote:

The average UK salary is £36Kpa which means take home around £2K per month of which £500 will be spent to feed a driving habit rather than looking after family.
These people need help.

£500 a month buys a lot of car-use. It probably refers to more than one car.

Are you sure you meant "average UK salary" and not "average UK household
income"?


I don't know. Why don't you do some research and report the outcome with references.

I had already done that but didn't anticipate your rejection of the
argument, particularly because average earnings are the stuff of news
reports every year.

But let's see...

www.google.co.uk

Enter: uk average pay 2020

... the same first return as half an hour ago...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNQ0Irm0nDkHAQvKNhU1823yc_deSg%3A 1581271251897&source=hp&ei=00hAXvCkNIKdlwTBhL64DQ& q=uk+average+pay+2020&oq=&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.35i362i39l10.0.0..4259...2.0..0.0.0........ 0......gws-wiz.....10.qfk1QLqPO7g

Or: https://tinyurl.com/wn8n3ky

QUOTE:
Employee earnings in the UK: 2019

... Median weekly earnings for full-time employees reached £585 in April
2019, an increase of 2.9% since April 2018 ...
ENDQUOTE

Government departments involved with employment prefer to use weekly
figures if they can.

So...

Calculator app...

585 x 52 = 30,420.

You snipped a fair bit of my previous post.

Here it is in full:

QUOTE:
£500 a month buys a lot of car-use. It probably refers to more than one car.

Are you sure you meant "average UK salary" and not "average UK household
income"?

Current government stats have average (median) full time earnings at
£585 a week (just over £30,000 gross - much less net). Household income
will be higher than that.

AIH, I don't think I've ever been in the habit of spoending £500 a month
in car expenses. Not even including HP repayments. Well, when it did
exceed that for quite a while, I was collecting something between £500
and £1,000 a month in travelling (car-use) expenses. I certainly wasn't
paying £500 a month out of my own pocket (hardly anything, if anything
at all, in fact). But of course, I am not holding out my case as
representing the "average" (however defined).
ENDQUOTE

Happy to help.

Do you understand the difference between Gross and Net?

Of course.

Do you understand the difference between £30,420 a year and "£36Kpa"?

Technically K=1024 if that helps.

On Sunday, 9 February 2020 18:52:16 UTC, Simon Mason wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 5:49:22 PM UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Simon Mason wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 4:06:07 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
The average UK salary is £36Kpa which means take home around £2K per
month of which £500 will be spent to feed a driving habit rather
than looking after family. These people need help.

I cycled to work for 15 years and saved £15000 in that period on fuel
alone. Plus the fact that I was super fit for my age.

And got to work either **** wet through or stinking of sweat. Most of your
time at "work" was spent posting here.

I used to be forced to take a break and post, instead of not taking breaks which is what I originally did.

And that is why cyclists can take early retirement.
Pounders 'think' the world owes them a living.
We call one of our neighbour's cats Pounder because she is always looking for a free meal.