Wheels and tires

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:02:54 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 9:44 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 6:41 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 6:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 4:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 4:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 2:41 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 1:30:33 PM UTC-4, Tim
McNamara wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 19:31:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 3/29/2020 11:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/28/2020 5:36 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 18:59:10 -0500, AMuzi

wrote:
On 3/26/2020 3:23 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:23:43 +0700, John B
wrote:

As for "hair on fire"... hardly :-)

"Hair on fire" is Fox Newsspeak for anyone saying
they don't think
Trump is the Greatest President in Human history,
especially
criticism based on what Trump actually says instead
of what he and
his supporters pretend he said. Covfefe! It was
a perfect call!
And you should believe Vladimir over American
intelligence
professionals, he only has our best interests at
heart.


I take no position as it's very early in this thing.
Too early for
an afternoon of tea and medals, too early to hang
the inept.

But I did note the hue and cry about 'fascism' when
we were the
first country to restrict travel from China in
January.

The concerns about fascism predated COVID-19 by
several years.


But the Chinese virus is actually real.

I thought it was an Italian virus now.

It's an American virus at this point.Â* Time to move on.

I agree, but I'd go further. It's a worldwide virus now.
There is no point in
trying to tie it to a particular country.

It is, indeed, time to move on.


Time to move on. Right. Reminds one of Joseph Stalin,
"Death solves problems. No man, no problem."

Doctor Li Wenliang, unfortunately died in custody after
first reporting the Chinese Wuhan virus. Police regret the
incident in a rare public statement.

Reporters Fang Bin and a bit better known Chen Qiushi
reported on the Chinese Wuhan Virus. Conveniently missing.

This week Dr Ai Fen another doctor who wrote about the
Chinese Wuhan virus on social media has gone missing.

There are others of course but you get the idea.

Meanwhile in my paper today is an interesting chart
labeled 'Confirmed Cases Per Country" and credited to
'Johns Hopkins CSSE' (behind a paywall and I could not
find a chart link) For Italy, the arc is a bit less steep
at the last week or so. ROK has dramatically shallower
increase after 10 March. USA, Spain and UK show the
familiar arc, like annual influenza charts we all know.
What catches the eye, however statistically improbable, is
that China reports the usual arc until 15 February after
which it's a straight horizontal line through end-March.

So you're probably right. Sorta like Tibet, eh? Nothing to
see here, Winnie The Pooh says 'move along now'.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/112985...-toll-of-2500/




https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/8...mains-each-day




https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-covid...uggest-1494914




Can you specify the benefits of referring to this as "the
Chinese virus" instead of the more common names used by
medical professions - COVID-19, C19, novel corona virus,
etc?

What exactly are you trying to accomplish?


What do you call Marburg virus now?

I had to look that one up. Apparently Marburg was the name
originally given, not a renaming, as you're trying to do
with COVID-19.

In fact, if your example were followed, Marburg would have
been changed to "The Ugandan Virus."
https://www.who.int/health-topics/ma...ase/#tab=tab_1


How about Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever?
(asking for a friend)

That too, seems to be the original name, not a changed name.

But you haven't explained what you're trying to accomplish.



Naming these for the earliest noted or firstÂ* described location has a
very long useful descriptive history from Lyme CT to the British Crown
Colony of Hong Kong in 1968.
My reference to having survived Hong Kong flu is not racist toward
Englishmen or The Queen in any way nor should it be considered such.

Our country has a serious problem with unfounded charges of racism, a
much more serious problem than a few residual throwbacks among the
citizenry and nearly as serious as institutional racism such as
Harvard's pride in denying admission to overqualified Asian Americans
because, heck, that might screw up the black admissions rate.


p.s. Famous Frozen Italian Guy (nicknamed Otzi, melted from an ice field
recently) had Lyme disease. He was born about 5300 years ago.

Yes, we visited Otzi some years ago. He's in a little museum in an
out-of-the-way town, a quick stop on the railroad. (The museum staff
were nice enough to watch our bikes carefully while we visited.) It was
very interesting indeed.

But every disease name example you've given has the disease _originally_
and commonly named after the place it was first observed. None of them
involve re-naming a disease after a particular location after the
medical community and the general populace have already settled on a
different name.

So why are you attempting to do this? What do you hope to gain?


--
- Frank Krygowski

Exactly what do you hope to gain by arguing that a common name should not be used because your enemy doesn't like it?

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:34:50 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 8:08:47 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:

Now precisely who do you suppose would be able to steal a bit of Francis Lloyd Bacon - a poorly educated FDR with such strong communist leanings that he actually supported Stalin hence kept the US out of doing anything more than supporting Great Britain until Pearl Harbor made it clear that if you left Hitler go he would swallow the whole of Europe making him by far the strongest power in the world, or a few English majors educated in the classics?

Poorly educated FDR? Groton and Harvard. Okey-dokey. Do you think FDR didn't know the classics? Groton is still known for its Latin and Greek curriculum. And you're a dope if you don't understand why FDR and Churchill supported (but didn't trust) Stalin. Remember the "eastern front"? Also go back and read some history -- the Republicans were the isolationists, and FDR had to whip votes just to get lend lease passed.

Imagine if Trump were in charge during WW II, "Uh, I've heard that some of the Nazi guys are pretty bad, very bad, bad, but you know, there are good people on both sides. I've known some fine Nazi's, and you know, my Drumpf Plaza in Munich is probably the finest hotel in Europe. I've been told that by European people. Some of this Nazi stuff is just fake news, but my generals are telling me that maybe the Nazis are bad. You know, I've got kind of this natural talent for knowing when people are bad, and I don't know if my generals have that like me, so maybe those Nazis aren't so bad . . . etc., etc." He'd probably have Lindbergh as VP. England would have been lost. You'd be speaking German or Japanese.

-- Jay Beattie.

Tell us Jay, in what universe does uttering the name of a school show that a person absorbed anything? A racist, communist loving horses ass that frightened even his own party so much that the second he died that they immediately passed a term limits. But for the ignorance of Tojo, Stalin would have taken all of Europe. And there would now be no United States. Which you and the Democrats are now trying to correct.

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 10:47:48 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

Now precisely who do you suppose would be able to steal a bit of Francis
Lloyd Bacon - a poorly educated FDR with such strong communist leanings
that he actually supported Stalin hence kept the US out of doing anything
more than supporting Great Britain until Pearl Harbor made it clear that
if you left Hitler go he would swallow the whole of Europe making him by
far the strongest power in the world, or a few English majors educated in the classics?

The argument was who said it, not who wrote it.

Ralph, pardon me but how old are you? That is something that could only be said by a millennial. Lord Bacon said that in one of his speeches that he regularly gave for meetings and at schools etc.

Furthermore no one would EVER know about it if it was never written. You seem to think that it isn't truth if it isn't written on the Internet and I have to admit that most of the stuff that is written here is so much rubbish that it would be far better to never be remembered at all.

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 12:06:55 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:02:54 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 9:44 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 6:41 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 6:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 4:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 4:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 2:41 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 1:30:33 PM UTC-4, Tim
McNamara wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 19:31:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 3/29/2020 11:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/28/2020 5:36 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 18:59:10 -0500, AMuzi

wrote:
On 3/26/2020 3:23 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:23:43 +0700, John B
wrote:

As for "hair on fire"... hardly :-)

"Hair on fire" is Fox Newsspeak for anyone saying
they don't think
Trump is the Greatest President in Human history,
especially
criticism based on what Trump actually says instead
of what he and
his supporters pretend he said. Covfefe! It was
a perfect call!
And you should believe Vladimir over American
intelligence
professionals, he only has our best interests at
heart.


I take no position as it's very early in this thing.
Too early for
an afternoon of tea and medals, too early to hang
the inept.

But I did note the hue and cry about 'fascism' when
we were the
first country to restrict travel from China in
January.

The concerns about fascism predated COVID-19 by
several years.


But the Chinese virus is actually real.

I thought it was an Italian virus now.

It's an American virus at this point.Â* Time to move on.

I agree, but I'd go further. It's a worldwide virus now.
There is no point in
trying to tie it to a particular country.

It is, indeed, time to move on.


Time to move on. Right. Reminds one of Joseph Stalin,
"Death solves problems. No man, no problem."

Doctor Li Wenliang, unfortunately died in custody after
first reporting the Chinese Wuhan virus. Police regret the
incident in a rare public statement.

Reporters Fang Bin and a bit better known Chen Qiushi
reported on the Chinese Wuhan Virus. Conveniently missing.

This week Dr Ai Fen another doctor who wrote about the
Chinese Wuhan virus on social media has gone missing.

There are others of course but you get the idea.

Meanwhile in my paper today is an interesting chart
labeled 'Confirmed Cases Per Country" and credited to
'Johns Hopkins CSSE' (behind a paywall and I could not
find a chart link) For Italy, the arc is a bit less steep
at the last week or so. ROK has dramatically shallower
increase after 10 March. USA, Spain and UK show the
familiar arc, like annual influenza charts we all know.
What catches the eye, however statistically improbable, is
that China reports the usual arc until 15 February after
which it's a straight horizontal line through end-March.

So you're probably right. Sorta like Tibet, eh? Nothing to
see here, Winnie The Pooh says 'move along now'.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/112985...-toll-of-2500/




https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/8...mains-each-day




https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-covid...uggest-1494914




Can you specify the benefits of referring to this as "the
Chinese virus" instead of the more common names used by
medical professions - COVID-19, C19, novel corona virus,
etc?

What exactly are you trying to accomplish?


What do you call Marburg virus now?

I had to look that one up. Apparently Marburg was the name
originally given, not a renaming, as you're trying to do
with COVID-19.

In fact, if your example were followed, Marburg would have
been changed to "The Ugandan Virus."
https://www.who.int/health-topics/ma...ase/#tab=tab_1


How about Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever?
(asking for a friend)

That too, seems to be the original name, not a changed name.

But you haven't explained what you're trying to accomplish.



Naming these for the earliest noted or firstÂ* described location has a
very long useful descriptive history from Lyme CT to the British Crown
Colony of Hong Kong in 1968.
My reference to having survived Hong Kong flu is not racist toward
Englishmen or The Queen in any way nor should it be considered such.

Our country has a serious problem with unfounded charges of racism, a
much more serious problem than a few residual throwbacks among the
citizenry and nearly as serious as institutional racism such as
Harvard's pride in denying admission to overqualified Asian Americans
because, heck, that might screw up the black admissions rate.


p.s. Famous Frozen Italian Guy (nicknamed Otzi, melted from an ice field
recently) had Lyme disease. He was born about 5300 years ago.

Yes, we visited Otzi some years ago. He's in a little museum in an
out-of-the-way town, a quick stop on the railroad. (The museum staff
were nice enough to watch our bikes carefully while we visited.) It was
very interesting indeed.

But every disease name example you've given has the disease _originally_
and commonly named after the place it was first observed. None of them
involve re-naming a disease after a particular location after the
medical community and the general populace have already settled on a
different name.

So why are you attempting to do this? What do you hope to gain?


--
- Frank Krygowski

Exactly what do you hope to gain by arguing that a common name should not be used because your enemy doesn't like it?

Well, because it is in fact non-specific, and the name is being used punitively. The correct name is SARS-CoV-2. And what enemy? China? So you're buying materiel from the Alibaba enemy, Mr. I've got Chinese wheels? That's a federal offense. You should turn yourself in. You might as well have Nazi wheels or Mooslim terrorist wheels.

BTW, we're going to be looking to that enemy to provide us with masks, ventilators and information necessary to beat the disease here in the US of A.

Spain got nailed with the Spanish Flu just because it was transparent about the number of cases. Meanwhile, it may have started in the US -- we just lied about our cases, which was SOP during WW1. Now you can rant about Wilson, who is rant-worthy.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 12:26:58 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 12:06:55 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:02:54 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 9:44 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 6:41 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 6:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 4:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 4:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 2:41 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 1:30:33 PM UTC-4, Tim
McNamara wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 19:31:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 3/29/2020 11:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/28/2020 5:36 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 18:59:10 -0500, AMuzi

wrote:
On 3/26/2020 3:23 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:23:43 +0700, John B
wrote:

As for "hair on fire"... hardly :-)

"Hair on fire" is Fox Newsspeak for anyone saying
they don't think
Trump is the Greatest President in Human history,
especially
criticism based on what Trump actually says instead
of what he and
his supporters pretend he said. Covfefe! It was
a perfect call!
And you should believe Vladimir over American
intelligence
professionals, he only has our best interests at
heart.


I take no position as it's very early in this thing.
Too early for
an afternoon of tea and medals, too early to hang
the inept.

But I did note the hue and cry about 'fascism' when
we were the
first country to restrict travel from China in
January.

The concerns about fascism predated COVID-19 by
several years.


But the Chinese virus is actually real.

I thought it was an Italian virus now.

It's an American virus at this point.Â* Time to move on.

I agree, but I'd go further. It's a worldwide virus now.
There is no point in
trying to tie it to a particular country.

It is, indeed, time to move on.


Time to move on. Right. Reminds one of Joseph Stalin,
"Death solves problems. No man, no problem."

Doctor Li Wenliang, unfortunately died in custody after
first reporting the Chinese Wuhan virus. Police regret the
incident in a rare public statement.

Reporters Fang Bin and a bit better known Chen Qiushi
reported on the Chinese Wuhan Virus. Conveniently missing.

This week Dr Ai Fen another doctor who wrote about the
Chinese Wuhan virus on social media has gone missing.

There are others of course but you get the idea.

Meanwhile in my paper today is an interesting chart
labeled 'Confirmed Cases Per Country" and credited to
'Johns Hopkins CSSE' (behind a paywall and I could not
find a chart link) For Italy, the arc is a bit less steep
at the last week or so. ROK has dramatically shallower
increase after 10 March. USA, Spain and UK show the
familiar arc, like annual influenza charts we all know.
What catches the eye, however statistically improbable, is
that China reports the usual arc until 15 February after
which it's a straight horizontal line through end-March.

So you're probably right. Sorta like Tibet, eh? Nothing to
see here, Winnie The Pooh says 'move along now'.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/112985...-toll-of-2500/




https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/8...mains-each-day




https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-covid...uggest-1494914




Can you specify the benefits of referring to this as "the
Chinese virus" instead of the more common names used by
medical professions - COVID-19, C19, novel corona virus,
etc?

What exactly are you trying to accomplish?


What do you call Marburg virus now?

I had to look that one up. Apparently Marburg was the name
originally given, not a renaming, as you're trying to do
with COVID-19.

In fact, if your example were followed, Marburg would have
been changed to "The Ugandan Virus."
https://www.who.int/health-topics/ma...ase/#tab=tab_1


How about Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever?
(asking for a friend)

That too, seems to be the original name, not a changed name.

But you haven't explained what you're trying to accomplish.



Naming these for the earliest noted or firstÂ* described location has a
very long useful descriptive history from Lyme CT to the British Crown
Colony of Hong Kong in 1968.
My reference to having survived Hong Kong flu is not racist toward
Englishmen or The Queen in any way nor should it be considered such..

Our country has a serious problem with unfounded charges of racism, a
much more serious problem than a few residual throwbacks among the
citizenry and nearly as serious as institutional racism such as
Harvard's pride in denying admission to overqualified Asian Americans
because, heck, that might screw up the black admissions rate.


p.s. Famous Frozen Italian Guy (nicknamed Otzi, melted from an ice field
recently) had Lyme disease. He was born about 5300 years ago.

Yes, we visited Otzi some years ago. He's in a little museum in an
out-of-the-way town, a quick stop on the railroad. (The museum staff
were nice enough to watch our bikes carefully while we visited.) It was
very interesting indeed.

But every disease name example you've given has the disease _originally_
and commonly named after the place it was first observed. None of them
involve re-naming a disease after a particular location after the
medical community and the general populace have already settled on a
different name.

So why are you attempting to do this? What do you hope to gain?


--
- Frank Krygowski

Exactly what do you hope to gain by arguing that a common name should not be used because your enemy doesn't like it?

Well, because it is in fact non-specific, and the name is being used punitively. The correct name is SARS-CoV-2. And what enemy? China? So you're buying materiel from the Alibaba enemy, Mr. I've got Chinese wheels? That's a federal offense. You should turn yourself in. You might as well have Nazi wheels or Mooslim terrorist wheels.

BTW, we're going to be looking to that enemy to provide us with masks, ventilators and information necessary to beat the disease here in the US of A..

Spain got nailed with the Spanish Flu just because it was transparent about the number of cases. Meanwhile, it may have started in the US -- we just lied about our cases, which was SOP during WW1. Now you can rant about Wilson, who is rant-worthy.

-- Jay Beattie.

As a lawyer you sure spend a great deal of time misrepresenting the law.

You also seem to have a great deal of medical knowledge that isn't very knowledgeable. But I've grown to expect both things from you.

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 12:13:05 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:34:50 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 8:08:47 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:

Now precisely who do you suppose would be able to steal a bit of Francis Lloyd Bacon - a poorly educated FDR with such strong communist leanings that he actually supported Stalin hence kept the US out of doing anything more than supporting Great Britain until Pearl Harbor made it clear that if you left Hitler go he would swallow the whole of Europe making him by far the strongest power in the world, or a few English majors educated in the classics?

Poorly educated FDR? Groton and Harvard. Okey-dokey. Do you think FDR didn't know the classics? Groton is still known for its Latin and Greek curriculum. And you're a dope if you don't understand why FDR and Churchill supported (but didn't trust) Stalin. Remember the "eastern front"? Also go back and read some history -- the Republicans were the isolationists, and FDR had to whip votes just to get lend lease passed.

Imagine if Trump were in charge during WW II, "Uh, I've heard that some of the Nazi guys are pretty bad, very bad, bad, but you know, there are good people on both sides. I've known some fine Nazi's, and you know, my Drumpf Plaza in Munich is probably the finest hotel in Europe. I've been told that by European people. Some of this Nazi stuff is just fake news, but my generals are telling me that maybe the Nazis are bad. You know, I've got kind of this natural talent for knowing when people are bad, and I don't know if my generals have that like me, so maybe those Nazis aren't so bad . . .. etc., etc." He'd probably have Lindbergh as VP. England would have been lost. You'd be speaking German or Japanese.

-- Jay Beattie.

Tell us Jay, in what universe does uttering the name of a school show that a person absorbed anything? A racist, communist loving horses ass that frightened even his own party so much that the second he died that they immediately passed a term limits. But for the ignorance of Tojo, Stalin would have taken all of Europe. And there would now be no United States. Which you and the Democrats are now trying to correct.

Tell us Tom, how did a guy who didn't graduate from high school and has no college become the arbiter of "uneducated." And explain how an uneducated person could graduate from Harvard and become a president (four terms), governor, senator and assistant secretary of the Navy? With polio. Was he Forrest Gump on the Hudson? Dumb luck? A GIANT COMMUNIST CONSPIRACY?


-- Jay Beattie.

On 4/1/2020 10:48 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:

snip

And to surive more or less intact we bite the bullet. We replace
incomes of people whose jobs have gone away so they can pay their rents
and mortgages and have health insurance. Those of us who get to keep
our jobs and benefits- like myself and my wife so far- practice
gratitude rather than seeing it as people getting "something for
nothing." We replace at least some of the revenue businesses have lost
so they can pay their overhead and keep some of their employees on the
payroll. Massive debt? Yep. Avoiding wholesale economic collapse
might be expensive.

The question is this: who is "we."

The Republican tax cut for the wealthy sucked trillions of dollars out
of the economy, transferring the money to large corporations and wealthy
individuals. Now with the bill the president signed he's bailing out a
lot of corporations that have spending their cash on stock buybacks.
Some corporations have give token amounts to social service agencies
trying to help low-income families but it's very small amounts of money
in comparison to the tax cuts they received.

There is one person who comes to our City Council meetings (now done
remotely) insisting that the City give money to pay everyone's rent who
has been laid off. Obviously we don't have the funds to do something
like that and with the shelter-in-place our revenue from sales taxes and
hotel taxes is way down and we are doing "recessionary budgeting." Some
of the expensive capital projects will be delayed.

With our county and state eviction moratorium no one is being evicted
for non-payment of rent. Once this is over there needs to be some
sharing of the pain. Property owners may have to settle for less than
the full arrears of rent, and renters may have to make small monthly
payments, for multiple years, to pay tho partial arrears of rent.
Mortgage terms can be extended to make up for missed payments, that's
not a difficult thing to do.

You're right, incurring debt is probably the only rescue option, but
only if the money comes from, and goes to, the right places.

jbeattie writes:

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 12:06:55 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:02:54 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 9:44 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 6:41 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 6:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 4:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 4:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 2:41 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 1:30:33 PM UTC-4, Tim
McNamara wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 19:31:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 3/29/2020 11:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/28/2020 5:36 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 18:59:10 -0500, AMuzi

wrote:
On 3/26/2020 3:23 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:23:43 +0700, John B
wrote:

As for "hair on fire"... hardly :-)

"Hair on fire" is Fox Newsspeak for anyone saying
they don't think
Trump is the Greatest President in Human history,
especially
criticism based on what Trump actually says instead
of what he and
his supporters pretend he said. Covfefe! It was
a perfect call!
And you should believe Vladimir over American
intelligence
professionals, he only has our best interests at
heart.


I take no position as it's very early in this thing.
Too early for
an afternoon of tea and medals, too early to hang
the inept.

But I did note the hue and cry about 'fascism' when
we were the
first country to restrict travel from China in
January.

The concerns about fascism predated COVID-19 by
several years.


But the Chinese virus is actually real.

I thought it was an Italian virus now.

It's an American virus at this point.Â* Time to move on.

I agree, but I'd go further. It's a worldwide virus now.
There is no point in
trying to tie it to a particular country.

It is, indeed, time to move on.


Time to move on. Right. Reminds one of Joseph Stalin,
"Death solves problems. No man, no problem."

Doctor Li Wenliang, unfortunately died in custody after
first reporting the Chinese Wuhan virus. Police regret the
incident in a rare public statement.

Reporters Fang Bin and a bit better known Chen Qiushi
reported on the Chinese Wuhan Virus. Conveniently missing.

This week Dr Ai Fen another doctor who wrote about the
Chinese Wuhan virus on social media has gone missing.

There are others of course but you get the idea.

Meanwhile in my paper today is an interesting chart
labeled 'Confirmed Cases Per Country" and credited to
'Johns Hopkins CSSE' (behind a paywall and I could not
find a chart link) For Italy, the arc is a bit less steep
at the last week or so. ROK has dramatically shallower
increase after 10 March. USA, Spain and UK show the
familiar arc, like annual influenza charts we all know.
What catches the eye, however statistically improbable, is
that China reports the usual arc until 15 February after
which it's a straight horizontal line through end-March.

So you're probably right. Sorta like Tibet, eh? Nothing to
see here, Winnie The Pooh says 'move along now'.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/112985...-toll-of-2500/




https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/8...mains-each-day




https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-covid...uggest-1494914




Can you specify the benefits of referring to this as "the
Chinese virus" instead of the more common names used by
medical professions - COVID-19, C19, novel corona virus,
etc?

What exactly are you trying to accomplish?


What do you call Marburg virus now?

I had to look that one up. Apparently Marburg was the name
originally given, not a renaming, as you're trying to do
with COVID-19.

In fact, if your example were followed, Marburg would have
been changed to "The Ugandan Virus."
https://www.who.int/health-topics/ma...ase/#tab=tab_1


How about Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever?
(asking for a friend)

That too, seems to be the original name, not a changed name.

But you haven't explained what you're trying to accomplish.



Naming these for the earliest noted or firstÂ* described location has a
very long useful descriptive history from Lyme CT to the British Crown
Colony of Hong Kong in 1968.
My reference to having survived Hong Kong flu is not racist toward
Englishmen or The Queen in any way nor should it be considered such.

Our country has a serious problem with unfounded charges of racism, a
much more serious problem than a few residual throwbacks among the
citizenry and nearly as serious as institutional racism such as
Harvard's pride in denying admission to overqualified Asian Americans
because, heck, that might screw up the black admissions rate.


p.s. Famous Frozen Italian Guy (nicknamed Otzi, melted from an ice field
recently) had Lyme disease. He was born about 5300 years ago.

Yes, we visited Otzi some years ago. He's in a little museum in an
out-of-the-way town, a quick stop on the railroad. (The museum staff
were nice enough to watch our bikes carefully while we visited.) It was
very interesting indeed.

But every disease name example you've given has the disease _originally_
and commonly named after the place it was first observed. None of them
involve re-naming a disease after a particular location after the
medical community and the general populace have already settled on a
different name.

So why are you attempting to do this? What do you hope to gain?


--
- Frank Krygowski

Exactly what do you hope to gain by arguing that a common name
should not be used because your enemy doesn't like it?

Well, because it is in fact non-specific, and the name is being used
punitively. The correct name is SARS-CoV-2. And what enemy? China?
So you're buying materiel from the Alibaba enemy, Mr. I've got Chinese
wheels? That's a federal offense. You should turn yourself in. You
might as well have Nazi wheels or Mooslim terrorist wheels.

BTW, we're going to be looking to that enemy to provide us with masks,
ventilators and information necessary to beat the disease here in the
US of A.

Spain got nailed with the Spanish Flu just because it was transparent
about the number of cases. Meanwhile, it may have started in the US
-- we just lied about our cases, which was SOP during WW1. Now you can
rant about Wilson, who is rant-worthy.

I like "kung flu", that's a name with legs.

Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 10:47:48 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

Now precisely who do you suppose would be able to steal a bit of Francis
Lloyd Bacon - a poorly educated FDR with such strong communist leanings
that he actually supported Stalin hence kept the US out of doing anything
more than supporting Great Britain until Pearl Harbor made it clear that
if you left Hitler go he would swallow the whole of Europe making him by
far the strongest power in the world, or a few English majors educated in the classics?

The argument was who said it, not who wrote it.

Ralph, pardon me but how old are you? That is something that could only
be said by a millennial. Lord Bacon said that in one of his speeches that
he regularly gave for meetings and at schools etc.

Furthermore no one would EVER know about it if it was never written. You
seem to think that it isn't truth if it isn't written on the Internet and
I have to admit that most of the stuff that is written here is so much
rubbish that it would be far better to never be remembered at all.


I’m a tail end boomer. My kid’s a millennial. And my age does not detract
from the fact that the discussion was not about who wrote those words, but
who said them.

jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 12:06:55 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:02:54 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 9:44 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 6:41 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 6:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 4:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 4:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2020 2:41 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 1:30:33 PM UTC-4, Tim
McNamara wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 19:31:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 3/29/2020 11:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/28/2020 5:36 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 18:59:10 -0500, AMuzi

wrote:
On 3/26/2020 3:23 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:23:43 +0700, John B
wrote:

As for "hair on fire"... hardly :-)

"Hair on fire" is Fox Newsspeak for anyone saying
they don't think
Trump is the Greatest President in Human history,
especially
criticism based on what Trump actually says instead
of what he and
his supporters pretend he said. Covfefe! It was
a perfect call!
And you should believe Vladimir over American
intelligence
professionals, he only has our best interests at
heart.


I take no position as it's very early in this thing.
Too early for
an afternoon of tea and medals, too early to hang
the inept.

But I did note the hue and cry about 'fascism' when
we were the
first country to restrict travel from China in
January.

The concerns about fascism predated COVID-19 by
several years.


But the Chinese virus is actually real.

I thought it was an Italian virus now.

It's an American virus at this point.Â* Time to move on.

I agree, but I'd go further. It's a worldwide virus now.
There is no point in
trying to tie it to a particular country.

It is, indeed, time to move on.


Time to move on. Right. Reminds one of Joseph Stalin,
"Death solves problems. No man, no problem."

Doctor Li Wenliang, unfortunately died in custody after
first reporting the Chinese Wuhan virus. Police regret the
incident in a rare public statement.

Reporters Fang Bin and a bit better known Chen Qiushi
reported on the Chinese Wuhan Virus. Conveniently missing.

This week Dr Ai Fen another doctor who wrote about the
Chinese Wuhan virus on social media has gone missing.

There are others of course but you get the idea.

Meanwhile in my paper today is an interesting chart
labeled 'Confirmed Cases Per Country" and credited to
'Johns Hopkins CSSE' (behind a paywall and I could not
find a chart link) For Italy, the arc is a bit less steep
at the last week or so. ROK has dramatically shallower
increase after 10 March. USA, Spain and UK show the
familiar arc, like annual influenza charts we all know.
What catches the eye, however statistically improbable, is
that China reports the usual arc until 15 February after
which it's a straight horizontal line through end-March.

So you're probably right. Sorta like Tibet, eh? Nothing to
see here, Winnie The Pooh says 'move along now'.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/112985...-toll-of-2500/





https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/8...mains-each-day





https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-covid...uggest-1494914





Can you specify the benefits of referring to this as "the
Chinese virus" instead of the more common names used by
medical professions - COVID-19, C19, novel corona virus,
etc?

What exactly are you trying to accomplish?


What do you call Marburg virus now?

I had to look that one up. Apparently Marburg was the name
originally given, not a renaming, as you're trying to do
with COVID-19.

In fact, if your example were followed, Marburg would have
been changed to "The Ugandan Virus."
https://www.who.int/health-topics/ma...ase/#tab=tab_1


How about Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever?
(asking for a friend)

That too, seems to be the original name, not a changed name.

But you haven't explained what you're trying to accomplish.



Naming these for the earliest noted or firstÂ* described location has a
very long useful descriptive history from Lyme CT to the British Crown
Colony of Hong Kong in 1968.
My reference to having survived Hong Kong flu is not racist toward
Englishmen or The Queen in any way nor should it be considered such.

Our country has a serious problem with unfounded charges of racism, a
much more serious problem than a few residual throwbacks among the
citizenry and nearly as serious as institutional racism such as
Harvard's pride in denying admission to overqualified Asian Americans
because, heck, that might screw up the black admissions rate.


p.s. Famous Frozen Italian Guy (nicknamed Otzi, melted from an ice field
recently) had Lyme disease. He was born about 5300 years ago.

Yes, we visited Otzi some years ago. He's in a little museum in an
out-of-the-way town, a quick stop on the railroad. (The museum staff
were nice enough to watch our bikes carefully while we visited.) It was
very interesting indeed.

But every disease name example you've given has the disease _originally_
and commonly named after the place it was first observed. None of them
involve re-naming a disease after a particular location after the
medical community and the general populace have already settled on a
different name.

So why are you attempting to do this? What do you hope to gain?


--
- Frank Krygowski

Exactly what do you hope to gain by arguing that a common name should
not be used because your enemy doesn't like it?

Well, because it is in fact non-specific, and the name is being used
punitively. The correct name is SARS-CoV-2. And what enemy? China? So
you're buying materiel from the Alibaba enemy, Mr. I've got Chinese
wheels? That's a federal offense. You should turn yourself in. You
might as well have Nazi wheels or Mooslim terrorist wheels.

BTW, we're going to be looking to that enemy to provide us with masks,
ventilators and information necessary to beat the disease here in the US of A.

Spain got nailed with the Spanish Flu just because it was transparent
about the number of cases. Meanwhile, it may have started in the US --
we just lied about our cases, which was SOP during WW1. Now you can rant
about Wilson, who is rant-worthy.

-- Jay Beattie.


Or if you’re going to name it by where it came from, call it Wuhan flu.
Calling it “that Chinese virus� is insufferable vague, and if that’s the
new naming convention, you may as well call SARS “that Chinese virus� as
well.