Wheels and tires

On 4/2/2020 3:06 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:02:54 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 9:44 PM, AMuzi wrote:


Our country has a serious problem with unfounded charges of racism, a
much more serious problem than a few residual throwbacks among the
citizenry and nearly as serious as institutional racism such as
Harvard's pride in denying admission to overqualified Asian Americans
because, heck, that might screw up the black admissions rate.


p.s. Famous Frozen Italian Guy (nicknamed Otzi, melted from an ice field
recently) had Lyme disease. He was born about 5300 years ago.

Yes, we visited Otzi some years ago. He's in a little museum in an
out-of-the-way town, a quick stop on the railroad. (The museum staff
were nice enough to watch our bikes carefully while we visited.) It was
very interesting indeed.

But every disease name example you've given has the disease _originally_
and commonly named after the place it was first observed. None of them
involve re-naming a disease after a particular location after the
medical community and the general populace have already settled on a
different name.

So why are you attempting to do this? What do you hope to gain?


Exactly what do you hope to gain by arguing that a common name should not be used because your enemy doesn't like it?

Tom, you're whacko. I didn't argue that a common name should not be used
because some "enemy" doesn't like it. I argued that all English language
medical professionals use other names for this virus, and that it's
strange to try to re-name it.

It's strange enough that those doing so must have some motive. I
wondered what Andrew's motive is - that is, what he intends to accomplish.

I'm trying to understand unusual thought processes. I'd invite you to
explain yours, but I'm afraid they'd map out like a Chihuly glass
sculpture.

https://media.mnn.com/assets/images/...crop-smart.jpg

Andrew and I don't always agree, but he tends to be much more
understandable.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 1:52:36 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/1/2020 10:48 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:

snip

And to surive more or less intact we bite the bullet. We replace
incomes of people whose jobs have gone away so they can pay their rents
and mortgages and have health insurance. Those of us who get to keep
our jobs and benefits- like myself and my wife so far- practice
gratitude rather than seeing it as people getting "something for
nothing." We replace at least some of the revenue businesses have lost
so they can pay their overhead and keep some of their employees on the
payroll. Massive debt? Yep. Avoiding wholesale economic collapse
might be expensive.

The question is this: who is "we."

The Republican tax cut for the wealthy sucked trillions of dollars out
of the economy, transferring the money to large corporations and wealthy
individuals. Now with the bill the president signed he's bailing out a
lot of corporations that have spending their cash on stock buybacks.
Some corporations have give token amounts to social service agencies
trying to help low-income families but it's very small amounts of money
in comparison to the tax cuts they received.

There is one person who comes to our City Council meetings (now done
remotely) insisting that the City give money to pay everyone's rent who
has been laid off. Obviously we don't have the funds to do something
like that and with the shelter-in-place our revenue from sales taxes and
hotel taxes is way down and we are doing "recessionary budgeting." Some
of the expensive capital projects will be delayed.

With our county and state eviction moratorium no one is being evicted
for non-payment of rent. Once this is over there needs to be some
sharing of the pain. Property owners may have to settle for less than
the full arrears of rent, and renters may have to make small monthly
payments, for multiple years, to pay tho partial arrears of rent.
Mortgage terms can be extended to make up for missed payments, that's
not a difficult thing to do.

You're right, incurring debt is probably the only rescue option, but
only if the money comes from, and goes to, the right places.

The usual leftist lies. The "tax cut for the wealthy" was no such thing. While the rates were reduced the loopholes were eliminated and the people in the top 10% income earners paid between 1 and 2% more in federal income taxes. The single largest group to benefit from it was middle class families with 2 or more children.

The tax cuts for corporations funded large business growth. This all was really fantastic until the Wuhan Virus came along. Or exactly what has happened? The economy was looking too good so the Democrats decided that this rather minor disease could be used to drive the economy in the tank?

Right now, in the entire world there are fewer deaths than there is in the USA alone in a heavy flu season. My local newspaper headline, "Covid-19 deaths worse under capitalism say socialists." So are you joining their party? Or will you retain your Democrat affiliation since in the debates when the question was asked, "Who supports socialism?" all 26 candidates raised their hands. Seems like your belief system is coming home to roost.

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 3:12:51 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 10:47:48 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

Now precisely who do you suppose would be able to steal a bit of Francis
Lloyd Bacon - a poorly educated FDR with such strong communist leanings
that he actually supported Stalin hence kept the US out of doing anything
more than supporting Great Britain until Pearl Harbor made it clear that
if you left Hitler go he would swallow the whole of Europe making him by
far the strongest power in the world, or a few English majors educated in the classics?

The argument was who said it, not who wrote it.

Ralph, pardon me but how old are you? That is something that could only
be said by a millennial. Lord Bacon said that in one of his speeches that
he regularly gave for meetings and at schools etc.

Furthermore no one would EVER know about it if it was never written. You
seem to think that it isn't truth if it isn't written on the Internet and
I have to admit that most of the stuff that is written here is so much
rubbish that it would be far better to never be remembered at all.


I’m a tail end boomer. My kid’s a millennial. And my age does not detract
from the fact that the discussion was not about who wrote those words, but
who said them.

Perhaps you didn't hear what I said, Francis Bacon said them. They were then added to the many works he published. Perhaps you'd be willing to explain to us how anyone would know that FDR copied them if it wasn't written down in the histories?

To tell you the truth, as a man of words I am rather surprised that you talk as someone that didn't even read your own homework. By the time I was in the sixth grade I had read out three libraries. There is power in words but in the written word most of all.

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 3:35:54 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/2/2020 3:06 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:02:54 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/1/2020 9:44 PM, AMuzi wrote:


Our country has a serious problem with unfounded charges of racism, a
much more serious problem than a few residual throwbacks among the
citizenry and nearly as serious as institutional racism such as
Harvard's pride in denying admission to overqualified Asian Americans
because, heck, that might screw up the black admissions rate.


p.s. Famous Frozen Italian Guy (nicknamed Otzi, melted from an ice field
recently) had Lyme disease. He was born about 5300 years ago.

Yes, we visited Otzi some years ago. He's in a little museum in an
out-of-the-way town, a quick stop on the railroad. (The museum staff
were nice enough to watch our bikes carefully while we visited.) It was
very interesting indeed.

But every disease name example you've given has the disease _originally_
and commonly named after the place it was first observed. None of them
involve re-naming a disease after a particular location after the
medical community and the general populace have already settled on a
different name.

So why are you attempting to do this? What do you hope to gain?


Exactly what do you hope to gain by arguing that a common name should not be used because your enemy doesn't like it?

Tom, you're whacko. I didn't argue that a common name should not be used
because some "enemy" doesn't like it. I argued that all English language
medical professionals use other names for this virus, and that it's
strange to try to re-name it.

It's strange enough that those doing so must have some motive. I
wondered what Andrew's motive is - that is, what he intends to accomplish.

I'm trying to understand unusual thought processes. I'd invite you to
explain yours, but I'm afraid they'd map out like a Chihuly glass
sculpture.

https://media.mnn.com/assets/images/...crop-smart.jpg

Andrew and I don't always agree, but he tends to be much more
understandable.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Like all pin-heads you don't want to actually do anything. You want to argue like the moron you are. I cannot help that your life has been a failure in your eyes. So rant away but you simply look all the worse with each additional word.

On 4/2/2020 3:52 PM, sms wrote:
On 4/1/2020 10:48 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:

snip

And to surive more or less intact we bite the bullet. We
replace
incomes of people whose jobs have gone away so they can
pay their rents
and mortgages and have health insurance. Those of us who
get to keep
our jobs and benefits- like myself and my wife so far-
practice
gratitude rather than seeing it as people getting
"something for
nothing." We replace at least some of the revenue
businesses have lost
so they can pay their overhead and keep some of their
employees on the
payroll. Massive debt? Yep. Avoiding wholesale economic
collapse
might be expensive.

The question is this: who is "we."

The Republican tax cut for the wealthy sucked trillions of
dollars out of the economy, transferring the money to large
corporations and wealthy individuals. Now with the bill the
president signed he's bailing out a lot of corporations that
have spending their cash on stock buybacks. Some
corporations have give token amounts to social service
agencies trying to help low-income families but it's very
small amounts of money in comparison to the tax cuts they
received.

There is one person who comes to our City Council meetings
(now done remotely) insisting that the City give money to
pay everyone's rent who has been laid off. Obviously we
don't have the funds to do something like that and with the
shelter-in-place our revenue from sales taxes and hotel
taxes is way down and we are doing "recessionary budgeting."
Some of the expensive capital projects will be delayed.

With our county and state eviction moratorium no one is
being evicted for non-payment of rent. Once this is over
there needs to be some sharing of the pain. Property owners
may have to settle for less than the full arrears of rent,
and renters may have to make small monthly payments, for
multiple years, to pay tho partial arrears of rent. Mortgage
terms can be extended to make up for missed payments, that's
not a difficult thing to do.

You're right, incurring debt is probably the only rescue
option, but only if the money comes from, and goes to, the
right places.


The Republican tax cut for the wealthy sucked trillions of
dollars out of the economy, transferring the money to large
corporations and wealthy individuals.

Patently blatantly untrue and you probably know that as
well. The numbers are what the numbers are - about 85% to
taxpayers at $100K and below and they're very public.

Believe as you will, stick your head in the sand for all I
care, but you cannot 'invent' your own facts.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 3:12:51 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 10:47:48 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

Now precisely who do you suppose would be able to steal a bit of Francis
Lloyd Bacon - a poorly educated FDR with such strong communist leanings
that he actually supported Stalin hence kept the US out of doing anything
more than supporting Great Britain until Pearl Harbor made it clear that
if you left Hitler go he would swallow the whole of Europe making him by
far the strongest power in the world, or a few English majors educated in the classics?

The argument was who said it, not who wrote it.

Ralph, pardon me but how old are you? That is something that could only
be said by a millennial. Lord Bacon said that in one of his speeches that
he regularly gave for meetings and at schools etc.

Furthermore no one would EVER know about it if it was never written. You
seem to think that it isn't truth if it isn't written on the Internet and
I have to admit that most of the stuff that is written here is so much
rubbish that it would be far better to never be remembered at all.


I’m a tail end boomer. My kid’s a millennial. And my age does not detract
from the fact that the discussion was not about who wrote those words, but
who said them.

Perhaps you didn't hear what I said, Francis Bacon said them. They were
then added to the many works he published. Perhaps you'd be willing to
explain to us how anyone would know that FDR copied them if it wasn't
written down in the histories?

To tell you the truth, as a man of words I am rather surprised that you
talk as someone that didn't even read your own homework. By the time I
was in the sixth grade I had read out three libraries. There is power in
words but in the written word most of all.


Tell you what. I’ll split the difference with you.

“We have nothing to fear but fear itself.�

Those words were spoken by Franklin Delano Roosevelt at his inaugural as
president in 1933, in the midst of the Great Depression which began in
1929. He drew his words from those of Sir Francis Bacon, who wrote,
“Nothing is terrible except fear itself.�

So FDR plagiarized Bacon, who said mostly the same thing, but using
different words. I think that FDR’s version works better due to the
replacement of “terrible� with “fear�. It’s a small tweak, but it really
makes it more quotable.

On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:13:01 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:34:50 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 8:08:47 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:

Now precisely who do you suppose would be able to steal a bit of Francis Lloyd Bacon - a poorly educated FDR with such strong communist leanings that he actually supported Stalin hence kept the US out of doing anything more than supporting Great Britain until Pearl Harbor made it clear that if you left Hitler go he would swallow the whole of Europe making him by far the strongest power in the world, or a few English majors educated in the classics?

Poorly educated FDR? Groton and Harvard. Okey-dokey. Do you think FDR didn't know the classics? Groton is still known for its Latin and Greek curriculum. And you're a dope if you don't understand why FDR and Churchill supported (but didn't trust) Stalin. Remember the "eastern front"? Also go back and read some history -- the Republicans were the isolationists, and FDR had to whip votes just to get lend lease passed.

Imagine if Trump were in charge during WW II, "Uh, I've heard that some of the Nazi guys are pretty bad, very bad, bad, but you know, there are good people on both sides. I've known some fine Nazi's, and you know, my Drumpf Plaza in Munich is probably the finest hotel in Europe. I've been told that by European people. Some of this Nazi stuff is just fake news, but my generals are telling me that maybe the Nazis are bad. You know, I've got kind of this natural talent for knowing when people are bad, and I don't know if my generals have that like me, so maybe those Nazis aren't so bad . . . etc., etc." He'd probably have Lindbergh as VP. England would have been lost. You'd be speaking German or Japanese.

-- Jay Beattie.

Tell us Jay, in what universe does uttering the name of a school show that a person absorbed anything? A racist, communist loving horses ass that frightened even his own party so much that the second he died that they immediately passed a term limits. But for the ignorance of Tojo, Stalin would have taken all of Europe. And there would now be no United States. Which you and the Democrats are now trying to correct.

Yes Tommy, uttering the name of a school shows nothing... however,
graduating from the school shows that one had at least the minimum
knowledge necessary to graduate.

You, of course, never graduated from even public high school so your
knowledge level is likely some what lower then the lowest that ever
graduated from Groton, Harvard, or even reform school.

As one example of your ignorance, your statement that "the second he
died that they immediately passed a term limits" is absolutely false.
In fact the number of terms that a President can serve is set forth in
Amendment 22 of the U.S. Constitution. The amendment was proposed in
the Congress in 1947, two years after FDR died and the final state to
ratify this amendment did so on 4 May 1951, some 6 years after FDR
died.

--
cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 16:27:03 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 3:12:51 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 10:47:48 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

Now precisely who do you suppose would be able to steal a bit of Francis
Lloyd Bacon - a poorly educated FDR with such strong communist leanings
that he actually supported Stalin hence kept the US out of doing anything
more than supporting Great Britain until Pearl Harbor made it clear that
if you left Hitler go he would swallow the whole of Europe making him by
far the strongest power in the world, or a few English majors educated in the classics?

The argument was who said it, not who wrote it.

Ralph, pardon me but how old are you? That is something that could only
be said by a millennial. Lord Bacon said that in one of his speeches that
he regularly gave for meetings and at schools etc.

Furthermore no one would EVER know about it if it was never written. You
seem to think that it isn't truth if it isn't written on the Internet and
I have to admit that most of the stuff that is written here is so much
rubbish that it would be far better to never be remembered at all.


I’m a tail end boomer. My kid’s a millennial. And my age does not detract
from the fact that the discussion was not about who wrote those words, but
who said them.

Perhaps you didn't hear what I said, Francis Bacon said them. They were then added to the many works he published. Perhaps you'd be willing to explain to us how anyone would know that FDR copied them if it wasn't written down in the histories?

To tell you the truth, as a man of words I am rather surprised that you talk as someone that didn't even read your own homework. By the time I was in the sixth grade I had read out three libraries. There is power in words but in the written word most of all.


Err Tom! Above you wrote "Francis Lloyd Bacon". I suspect that you
got the name wrong as the only person I can locate with a name similar
to that is Lloyd Francis Bacon who was some sort of supporting actor
in Charley Chaplin movies and who died in 1955.

The other guy with a name faintly similar that I find is Sir Francis
Bacon, 1st Viscount St Alban, who died in 1626 and who's Alma mater
was The University of Cambridge, Trinity College, Cambridge,
University of Poitiers.

--
cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:44:39 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/2/2020 3:52 PM, sms wrote:
On 4/1/2020 10:48 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:

snip

And to surive more or less intact we bite the bullet. We
replace
incomes of people whose jobs have gone away so they can
pay their rents
and mortgages and have health insurance. Those of us who
get to keep
our jobs and benefits- like myself and my wife so far-
practice
gratitude rather than seeing it as people getting
"something for
nothing." We replace at least some of the revenue
businesses have lost
so they can pay their overhead and keep some of their
employees on the
payroll. Massive debt? Yep. Avoiding wholesale economic
collapse
might be expensive.

The question is this: who is "we."

The Republican tax cut for the wealthy sucked trillions of
dollars out of the economy, transferring the money to large
corporations and wealthy individuals. Now with the bill the
president signed he's bailing out a lot of corporations that
have spending their cash on stock buybacks. Some
corporations have give token amounts to social service
agencies trying to help low-income families but it's very
small amounts of money in comparison to the tax cuts they
received.

There is one person who comes to our City Council meetings
(now done remotely) insisting that the City give money to
pay everyone's rent who has been laid off. Obviously we
don't have the funds to do something like that and with the
shelter-in-place our revenue from sales taxes and hotel
taxes is way down and we are doing "recessionary budgeting."
Some of the expensive capital projects will be delayed.

With our county and state eviction moratorium no one is
being evicted for non-payment of rent. Once this is over
there needs to be some sharing of the pain. Property owners
may have to settle for less than the full arrears of rent,
and renters may have to make small monthly payments, for
multiple years, to pay tho partial arrears of rent. Mortgage
terms can be extended to make up for missed payments, that's
not a difficult thing to do.

You're right, incurring debt is probably the only rescue
option, but only if the money comes from, and goes to, the
right places.


The Republican tax cut for the wealthy sucked trillions of
dollars out of the economy, transferring the money to large
corporations and wealthy individuals.

Patently blatantly untrue and you probably know that as
well. The numbers are what the numbers are - about 85% to
taxpayers at $100K and below and they're very public.

Believe as you will, stick your head in the sand for all I
care, but you cannot 'invent' your own facts.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:45:34 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 3:12:51 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 10:47:48 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

Now precisely who do you suppose would be able to steal a bit of Francis
Lloyd Bacon - a poorly educated FDR with such strong communist leanings
that he actually supported Stalin hence kept the US out of doing anything
more than supporting Great Britain until Pearl Harbor made it clear that
if you left Hitler go he would swallow the whole of Europe making him by
far the strongest power in the world, or a few English majors educated in the classics?

The argument was who said it, not who wrote it.

Ralph, pardon me but how old are you? That is something that could only
be said by a millennial. Lord Bacon said that in one of his speeches that
he regularly gave for meetings and at schools etc.

Furthermore no one would EVER know about it if it was never written. You
seem to think that it isn't truth if it isn't written on the Internet and
I have to admit that most of the stuff that is written here is so much
rubbish that it would be far better to never be remembered at all.


I’m a tail end boomer. My kid’s a millennial. And my age does not detract
from the fact that the discussion was not about who wrote those words, but
who said them.

Perhaps you didn't hear what I said, Francis Bacon said them. They were
then added to the many works he published. Perhaps you'd be willing to
explain to us how anyone would know that FDR copied them if it wasn't
written down in the histories?

To tell you the truth, as a man of words I am rather surprised that you
talk as someone that didn't even read your own homework. By the time I
was in the sixth grade I had read out three libraries. There is power in
words but in the written word most of all.


Tell you what. I’ll split the difference with you.

“We have nothing to fear but fear itself.�

Those words were spoken by Franklin Delano Roosevelt at his inaugural as
president in 1933, in the midst of the Great Depression which began in
1929. He drew his words from those of Sir Francis Bacon, who wrote,
“Nothing is terrible except fear itself.�

So FDR plagiarized Bacon, who said mostly the same thing, but using
different words. I think that FDR’s version works better due to the
replacement of “terrible� with “fear�. It’s a small tweak, but it really
makes it more quotable.

Well, I think that we agree. Bacon's words weren't quite identical but the meaning most certainly was. And FDR's speechwriters plagiarized Bacon callously to make FDR appear more than he was. Anyone that knows the history of that goon knows that outside of a public appearance he had little else going for him. This was also the strength of Hitler. Churchill was quite the opposite, there was all intellect and very little show in him. A man who served on the lowest rungs of the military up to a unit commander. He saw the loses of war and when and why they must be accepted. Churchill was the man who won WW II. If was merely the Americans who provided the manpower to do so.

As for the Pacific War, McArthur was salivating over invading Japan for predicted loses of over a million Americans. Had the Army Air Corp not convinced Truman that the bombing would save lives of Americans as well as Japanese, McArthur may have succeeded in his blood bath.