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Old April 7th 20, 01:50 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 4/6/2020 5:37 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:41:39 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

I was relying on John 14:2 which reads, from memory, "In my
father's house are many mansions," with "mansion" being
translated in modern vernacular versions as "rooms", rather
than on geometry but, as you say, the result is the same.
The "rational" tagline was a red herring but turns out spot on.


If true, then heaven must be packed full of apartment buildings.
That's not exactly my idea of paradise. I much prefer a single family
dwelling. That also might explain why hell has recently become so
popular.
https://imgur.com/r/pics/lVG9603

Those images of hell you posted a link to makes me wonder
if Hell hasn't been moved on to an undisclosed location by Health & Safety.


True. I don't know what hell actually looks like, but I do suspect
that the county planning department and their building permit
bureaucracy are the likely guardians of the entrance.

That it hasn't happened yet proves only that people too
smart for their own good usually end up in the hot place.


Are you perhaps waiting for the rapture?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
The end of days has been predicted many times, but so far both the
good and the evil have managed to survive. I'm beginning to wonder if
that will also apply to the current global crisis.

Thanks for the giggle, Jeff.

Andre Jute
Calvinist. My place is reserved. But, just in case, I'm also
chummy with the Papal Nuncio, the Archbishop, the Chief Rabbi,
and an imam my halal butcher knows.


Indecision is the key to flexibility.



If Hell needs a county permit (or two or five or more) it
certainly has never been built.

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  #42  
Old April 7th 20, 02:01 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 4/6/2020 6:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/6/2020 6:43 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 2:07:01 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich
wrote:

When Trump was a Democrat everyone was delighted with him
and all said that he had no ego at all. ...


I always thought he was a dopey self-promoter, regardless
of his political affiliation. Another narcissistic
trust-fund baby building temples to himself -- between
bankruptcies and booty-calls.


I thought about Trump almost not at all. What - a real
estate guy who slathers his name on every building that he
puts up? Sounds very egotistical. And a game show with a
punch line "You're fired!"?? I don't watch any game shows,
and if I did, that would be low on the list.

Tom is making a common ideologue mistake: assuming everyone
that disagrees with him has exactly the same opinions.


+1
I disagree with him daily but since I know him from the
financial press (no television) my criticisms are over
policy and not snark or the Queens version of politeness.

I've written here before that our choice is not to find
Mother Theresa's replacement. It's for the least awful of
the two finalists in a convoluted process. Yes, I scream at
my radio some days but there's never been one day that I
regretted my first vote for Donald J Trump which I'll
duplicate in November.

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Old April 7th 20, 02:14 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 06 Apr 2020 15:06:30 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Mon, 06 Apr 2020 14:53:40 -0400, Radey Shouman
wrote:

Jeff Liebermann writes:

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 04:20:56 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:
I've always pictured Hell as an overcrowded place, like the
pavements of Calcutta or San Francisco, which, considering
the infinity of eternity, is a worse punishment than being
alone in an overheated room. Not to kibbutz, but following
the logic, Hell must therefore have fewer rooms than Heaven.

Andre Jute
Rational

Agreed. It's simple geometry.

Hell is generally considered to be below ground, somewhere near the
center of the planet as in Dante's Inferno:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(Dante)
Heaven is located somewhere above the clouds, as indicated by numerous
illustrations showing the gods walking around on clouds. On a sphere,
the available surface area increases with the cube of the altitude or
depth. Therefore, there is far more available space above the clouds
as there might be in some manner of a hollow earth hell.


I beg to differ: The area of a sphere is 4 pi r^2.


I humbly suggest that you reconsider your calculation. People, gods,
and souls are not two dimensional. They require a third dimension as
in the volume of a sphere, not the surface area. The volume of a
sphere is 4/3 Pi r^3.


You are rapidly approaching the question of how many angels can dance
on the head of a pin :-)
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Old April 7th 20, 02:24 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Jeff Liebermann writes:

On Mon, 06 Apr 2020 14:53:40 -0400, Radey Shouman
wrote:

Jeff Liebermann writes:

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 04:20:56 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:
I've always pictured Hell as an overcrowded place, like the
pavements of Calcutta or San Francisco, which, considering
the infinity of eternity, is a worse punishment than being
alone in an overheated room. Not to kibbutz, but following
the logic, Hell must therefore have fewer rooms than Heaven.

Andre Jute
Rational

Agreed. It's simple geometry.

Hell is generally considered to be below ground, somewhere near the
center of the planet as in Dante's Inferno:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(Dante)
Heaven is located somewhere above the clouds, as indicated by numerous
illustrations showing the gods walking around on clouds. On a sphere,
the available surface area increases with the cube of the altitude or
depth. Therefore, there is far more available space above the clouds
as there might be in some manner of a hollow earth hell.


I beg to differ: The area of a sphere is 4 pi r^2.


I humbly suggest that you reconsider your calculation. People, gods,
and souls are not two dimensional. They require a third dimension as
in the volume of a sphere, not the surface area. The volume of a
sphere is 4/3 Pi r^3.


I was not imagining ceilings of unlimited height, nor numberless
stories. But my imagination is not equal to the task.
  #45  
Old April 7th 20, 02:29 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:

'For every room in heaven, there's one just like it in hell
for someone else.'

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Not sure how to interpret this. Does it mean the rooms in heaven are really, really bad? Or the rooms in hell are really, really good? And your statement implies an exact 50/50 split between heaven and hell. 1 out of 2 are going to burn in hell. And the other half are going to be happy in heaven. Based on my observations over the years, I can believe the amount going to hell. But 50% gong to heaven seems too optimistic.


I was once told by an individual that had attended a Catholic collage
that all of those who did not worship the Christian God were bound for
Hell, that is currently 68% of the world's population who will be
taking the "down" elevator.
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cheers,

John B.

  #46  
Old April 7th 20, 03:04 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 06 Apr 2020 15:37:27 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:41:39 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

I was relying on John 14:2 which reads, from memory, "In my
father's house are many mansions," with "mansion" being
translated in modern vernacular versions as "rooms", rather
than on geometry but, as you say, the result is the same.
The "rational" tagline was a red herring but turns out spot on.


If true, then heaven must be packed full of apartment buildings.
That's not exactly my idea of paradise. I much prefer a single family
dwelling. That also might explain why hell has recently become so
popular.
https://imgur.com/r/pics/lVG9603

Those images of hell you posted a link to makes me wonder
if Hell hasn't been moved on to an undisclosed location by Health & Safety.


True. I don't know what hell actually looks like, but I do suspect
that the county planning department and their building permit
bureaucracy are the likely guardians of the entrance.

That it hasn't happened yet proves only that people too
smart for their own good usually end up in the hot place.


Are you perhaps waiting for the rapture?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
The end of days has been predicted many times, but so far both the
good and the evil have managed to survive. I'm beginning to wonder if
that will also apply to the current global crisis.

Thanks for the giggle, Jeff.

Andre Jute
Calvinist. My place is reserved. But, just in case, I'm also
chummy with the Papal Nuncio, the Archbishop, the Chief Rabbi,
and an imam my halal butcher knows.


Indecision is the key to flexibility.


Well, comparing the Christian Heaven and the Muslim Heaven, the
Christians get a harp and the Muslims get 77 women, specified to have
big boobs.

And, I have read that the Jews have seven heavens, but apparently no
harps or boobs :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

  #47  
Old April 7th 20, 03:17 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:

'For every room in heaven, there's one just like it in hell
for someone else.'

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Not sure how to interpret this. Does it mean the rooms in heaven are
really, really bad? Or the rooms in hell are really, really good? And
your statement implies an exact 50/50 split between heaven and hell. 1
out of 2 are going to burn in hell. And the other half are going to be
happy in heaven. Based on my observations over the years, I can believe
the amount going to hell. But 50% gong to heaven seems too optimistic.


I was once told by an individual that had attended a Catholic collage
that all of those who did not worship the Christian God were bound for
Hell, that is currently 68% of the world's population who will be
taking the "down" elevator.
--
cheers,

John B.


It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get to the Pearly Gates
and find Buddha there.

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Old April 7th 20, 03:49 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 02:17:18 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:

'For every room in heaven, there's one just like it in hell
for someone else.'

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Not sure how to interpret this. Does it mean the rooms in heaven are
really, really bad? Or the rooms in hell are really, really good? And
your statement implies an exact 50/50 split between heaven and hell. 1
out of 2 are going to burn in hell. And the other half are going to be
happy in heaven. Based on my observations over the years, I can believe
the amount going to hell. But 50% gong to heaven seems too optimistic.


I was once told by an individual that had attended a Catholic collage
that all of those who did not worship the Christian God were bound for
Hell, that is currently 68% of the world's population who will be
taking the "down" elevator.
--
cheers,

John B.


It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get to the Pearly Gates
and find Buddha there.


:-) But he's not there. He no longer exists, to use one translation.

--
cheers,

John B.

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Old April 7th 20, 04:20 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 09:04:46 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Well, comparing the Christian Heaven and the Muslim Heaven, the
Christians get a harp and the Muslims get 77 women, specified to have
big boobs.


So, what do the women get when they enter heaven? Somehow, that
question seems to have escaped the attention of the biblical authors
and scholars.

And, I have read that the Jews have seven heavens, but apparently no
harps or boobs :-)


No loose women or big boobs, but maybe some choir music. See the 5th
level of heaven:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_in_Judaism
The fifth heaven is under the administration of Samael. It
is also where the Ishim and the Song-Uttering Choirs reside.

Since the traditional Jewish image of paradise is lacking in
entertainment value, the biblical scholars added a playground:
Beyond Paradise, according to Legends of the Jews, is the higher
Gan Eden, where God is enthroned and explains the Torah to
its inhabitants.

So, there you have it. When you go to heaven, you're expected to
listen to choir music and study the Torah. Eternal damnation seems
like more fun.

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Old April 7th 20, 04:37 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 06 Apr 2020 19:50:59 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

If Hell needs a county permit (or two or five or more) it
certainly has never been built.


That's also true for ordinary construction and developments. If the
builder actually followed the procedures and rules outlined in the
ever changing zoning, codes, and general plans, nothing would ever be
built. However, buildings do seem to appear occasionally. The
process is greatly expedited by political contributions, assumption of
traditional county expenses such as street lighting and sidewalks,
social relevance (homeless), job creation, outright bribes, and other
lubricants. Since the hellacious construction practices found in all
illustrations of hell would be compliant with any known building code,
I can only assume that the necessary permits were properly expedited.

Please note that all documentation in reference to hell suggest that
there is only one hell, subdivided into 7 layers. To build such a
hell would require only one permit, from only one planetary
government. While such permits might be difficult to obtain in most
first world countries, it would not be difficult to find a small
country that is more willing to do business with the devil.


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150 Felker St #D
http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 




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