Economics not bicycle tech

On 4/7/2020 1:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/7/2020 11:37 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/7/2020 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 4:58:27 PM UTC-7, Frank
Krygowski wrote:
On 4/6/2020 6:43 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 2:07:01 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich
wrote:

When Trump was a Democrat everyone was delighted with
him and all said that he had no ego at all. ...

I always thought he was a dopey self-promoter,
regardless of his political affiliation.Â* Another
narcissistic trust-fund baby building temples to himself
-- between bankruptcies and booty-calls.

I thought about Trump almost not at all. What - a real
estate guy who
slathers his name on every building that he puts up?
Sounds very
egotistical. And a game show with a punch line "You're
fired!"?? I don't
watch any game shows, and if I did, that would be low on
the list.

Tom is making a common ideologue mistake: assuming
everyone that
disagrees with him has exactly the same opinions.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Again and again you show your total ignorance of business.
That is called "branding" and not egotism. Do you say that
about Motel 6 or the Radisson chain?

I wasn't aware that any Mister 6 was responsible for
splashing his name on all those Hotel 6 buildings. And I see
that Radisson was named after a 17th century French
explorer. Did he return from the dead to promote his "brand"?

A counter-example: Arni Nashbar is a friend of mine. He
started a business called Bike Warehouse that did remarkably
well. At a time it was growing rapidly, the name changed to
Bike Nashbar. As he was showing a bunch of us around the
works at that time, he said he resisted that name change;
but his lawyers said it would be difficult to impossible to
defend a copyright on "Bike Warehouse" - that it was too
generic. They urged him to use his last name.

I think that was pretty much the opposite of the
self-proclaimed "stable genius," the "I'm a very smart guy,"
the guy who said "I really am brilliant," etc.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...-orig-alee.cnn


Can you spot any egotism? I can.

Every time you post you show why your life has been a
failure and why your hatred for anyone and everyone around
you is so intense.

Tom, I'm sorry you're a nut case living in a hell hole. I
really am sorry. But please understand, it's not my fault.




We can do this all day long regarding brands, both examples and
counterexamples. For every Days Inn there's a Hilton. No one did ego
like Leona Helmsley of Helmsley Hotels.

Oh, I can think of one guy who did.


This only proves that the world is a big place and says nothing about
Donald J Trump one way or the other.

Yep. There is no "better" or "worse." All men and women are equal. The
egotistical, never-employed, drug-addled bike thief deserves as much
adulation as the humble saint who spends an entire life achieving things
only for the benefit of society.

They all get identical trophies for participation.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 8:45:15 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 3:43:59 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 2:07:01 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 2:01:44 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 1:15:50 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

I'm not sure of the exact size of the soul, but if it's proportional
to the common inflated ego, there's likely to be insufficient
underground space to construct a suitable hell.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

If this is true then there is no physical way Trump can get into Hell. Its too small for his ego. You're just full of good news.

When Trump was a Democrat everyone was delighted with him and all said that he had no ego at all. Strange how the same sorts of people instantly observe a complete reversal just because he became a Republican. Apparently Snowflakes do not have an unbiased power of observation.

I always thought he was a dopey self-promoter, regardless of his political affiliation. Another narcissistic trust-fund baby building temples to himself -- between bankruptcies and booty-calls. https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/GTY_...2_16x9_992.jpg Hope you weren't a bond-holder.

But you raise an interesting point. What if he had run as a Democrat? Hmmmmmmmm. Still no. I would have voted for Mitt Romney. At least he had experience, and I could marvel at his tax return and skillful use of the carried interest deduction. Plus he pays the Mormon tax -- he tithes more in one year than most people make in a lifetime. That pays for a lot of free temple-ground tours and the giant talking Jesus at the visitor center. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/...us2_Detail.jpg Having Jesus talk to you is worth the price of admission. Plus I got a free Book of Mormon. Trump charges for made-in-China MAGA hats.

-- Jay Beattie.

Well, you certainly run into a whole lot of people that are dopey billionaires. As for self promoting - how else do you try a dozen or more other business goals without self promotion?

First, we're assuming he is a billionaire, but if so, it's easy to get there when daddy leaves you $200M. Put it in a Vanguard fund. You don't need to self-promote. How many buildings do you see that say "Warren Buffet" on them? How about "Bill Gates" or even "Jeff Bezos." Trump puts his name on things like a dog put **** on fence posts.


Exactly why is it that you don't know what a chapter 11 bankruptcy is?

Hmmm. Let's look at my desk-top. https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/...m_Company,_Inc Another $1B chapter 11 involving a creditor-client of mine. So, yes, Tom, I understand Chapter 11 as much as I have to. You're also assuming the casinos aren't converted to Chapter 7, and you also ignore that Trump is the top Chapter 11 filer in decades. https://money.cnn.com/2015/08/31/new...mp-bankruptcy/ He's number one! MAGA! BTW, have you ever been a creditor in bankruptcy? It's not fun when somebody dead-beats you, and it must be even less fun when that person is a supposed billionaire.

The official MAGA hates from his campaign committee are made in America. The counterfeits are made in China. Can you explain why you couldn't bother to look that up?

Yes. https://www.newsweek.com/trump-keep-...t-hats-1454921 But if his totally official MAGA hats are US made, then I apologize to his campaign committee.


You are entitled to vote for anyone you like. Using entitlement to vote for Romney who is the very picture of entitlement is a perfect demonstration of your inability to understand the political class and why people voted for Trump.

Romney is nowhere near as entitled as Trump. He didn't inherit his wealth -- although his parent's wealth did get him privilege and a Harvard education and connections that lead to wealth, so there is that. And "political class" -- you mean someone with experience like being a governor and a senator? God forbid somebody knows what they're doing.

I know, tell us he is racist, xenophobic and calls everyone deplorables and smelly Walmart shoppers.

I understand that Trump voters felt disaffected and ignored. I've felt that way sometimes too, but it did not prompt me to poke myself in the eye or hit myself over the head with a frying pan -- or **** in my boots. His tax cuts didn't help me; they are were a temporary bribe for individual tax payers and a permanent and massive windfall for corporations who are the really, really big winners. Tax collections were wrecked producing a massive budget shortfall with no savings through budget cuts. Government has not been made more efficient or better. Every incompetent Trump relative and collateral is making national policy with zero experience. There is no active chief of staff -- maybe today is the day. It's a **** show. Any rational person would look at this and say WTF? The swamp and the deep state are all that's holding us together.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 11:51:26 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 8:45:15 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 3:43:59 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 2:07:01 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 2:01:44 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 1:15:50 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

I'm not sure of the exact size of the soul, but if it's proportional
to the common inflated ego, there's likely to be insufficient
underground space to construct a suitable hell.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

If this is true then there is no physical way Trump can get into Hell. Its too small for his ego. You're just full of good news.

When Trump was a Democrat everyone was delighted with him and all said that he had no ego at all. Strange how the same sorts of people instantly observe a complete reversal just because he became a Republican. Apparently Snowflakes do not have an unbiased power of observation.

I always thought he was a dopey self-promoter, regardless of his political affiliation. Another narcissistic trust-fund baby building temples to himself -- between bankruptcies and booty-calls. https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/GTY_...2_16x9_992.jpg Hope you weren't a bond-holder.

But you raise an interesting point. What if he had run as a Democrat? Hmmmmmmmm. Still no. I would have voted for Mitt Romney. At least he had experience, and I could marvel at his tax return and skillful use of the carried interest deduction. Plus he pays the Mormon tax -- he tithes more in one year than most people make in a lifetime. That pays for a lot of free temple-ground tours and the giant talking Jesus at the visitor center. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/...us2_Detail.jpg Having Jesus talk to you is worth the price of admission. Plus I got a free Book of Mormon. Trump charges for made-in-China MAGA hats.

-- Jay Beattie.

Well, you certainly run into a whole lot of people that are dopey billionaires. As for self promoting - how else do you try a dozen or more other business goals without self promotion?

First, we're assuming he is a billionaire, but if so, it's easy to get there when daddy leaves you $200M. Put it in a Vanguard fund. You don't need to self-promote. How many buildings do you see that say "Warren Buffet" on them? How about "Bill Gates" or even "Jeff Bezos." Trump puts his name on things like a dog put **** on fence posts.


Exactly why is it that you don't know what a chapter 11 bankruptcy is?

Hmmm. Let's look at my desk-top. https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/...m_Company,_Inc Another $1B chapter 11 involving a creditor-client of mine. So, yes, Tom, I understand Chapter 11 as much as I have to. You're also assuming the casinos aren't converted to Chapter 7, and you also ignore that Trump is the top Chapter 11 filer in decades. https://money.cnn.com/2015/08/31/new...mp-bankruptcy/ He's number one! MAGA! BTW, have you ever been a creditor in bankruptcy? It's not fun when somebody dead-beats you, and it must be even less fun when that person is a supposed billionaire.

The official MAGA hates from his campaign committee are made in America.. The counterfeits are made in China. Can you explain why you couldn't bother to look that up?

Yes. https://www.newsweek.com/trump-keep-...t-hats-1454921 But if his totally official MAGA hats are US made, then I apologize to his campaign committee.


You are entitled to vote for anyone you like. Using entitlement to vote for Romney who is the very picture of entitlement is a perfect demonstration of your inability to understand the political class and why people voted for Trump.

Romney is nowhere near as entitled as Trump. He didn't inherit his wealth -- although his parent's wealth did get him privilege and a Harvard education and connections that lead to wealth, so there is that. And "political class" -- you mean someone with experience like being a governor and a senator? God forbid somebody knows what they're doing.

I know, tell us he is racist, xenophobic and calls everyone deplorables and smelly Walmart shoppers.

I understand that Trump voters felt disaffected and ignored. I've felt that way sometimes too, but it did not prompt me to poke myself in the eye or hit myself over the head with a frying pan -- or **** in my boots. His tax cuts didn't help me; they are were a temporary bribe for individual tax payers and a permanent and massive windfall for corporations who are the really, really big winners. Tax collections were wrecked producing a massive budget shortfall with no savings through budget cuts. Government has not been made more efficient or better. Every incompetent Trump relative and collateral is making national policy with zero experience. There is no active chief of staff -- maybe today is the day. It's a **** show. Any rational person would look at this and say WTF? The swamp and the deep state are all that's holding us together.

-- Jay Beattie.

Jay, you can't let a chance go by to show you're crazy can you? Just the PROPERTY that Trump owns makes him a billionaire. Hotels and office buildings in New York City which apparently you think go for a dime a dozen. The things you say remind me of the wackos that post in the comment sections of Yahoo articles. You will say absolutely anything without any regard for the truth. Didn't you just say that MAGA hats that Trump was passing out were made in China? ONE second on the most left wing sites like Snopes would have proven you wrong but you have decided to invent your own reality. I can only assume that I was right and you are so worried about your job that communism seems good to you. And you still don't believe that the very first people to the wall are those that support communism because you're the first ones to say that the promise wasn't upheld.

Trump's tax cuts were not supposed to help you. Is that what ticks you off? That people in the top 10% actually lost money in the so-called tax cuts? That they were designed to help America and not some dumb ass special interest group. For the first time in modern history a President worked FOR the electorate and that's what you don't like.

What you are doing now is ****ing in your boots. Stand in it because no one else cares.

On 4/7/2020 1:24 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/7/2020 1:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/7/2020 11:37 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/7/2020 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 4:58:27 PM UTC-7, Frank
Krygowski wrote:
On 4/6/2020 6:43 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 2:07:01 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich
wrote:

When Trump was a Democrat everyone was delighted with
him and all said that he had no ego at all. ...

I always thought he was a dopey self-promoter,
regardless of his political affiliation. Another
narcissistic trust-fund baby building temples to himself
-- between bankruptcies and booty-calls.

I thought about Trump almost not at all. What - a real
estate guy who
slathers his name on every building that he puts up?
Sounds very
egotistical. And a game show with a punch line "You're
fired!"?? I don't
watch any game shows, and if I did, that would be low on
the list.

Tom is making a common ideologue mistake: assuming
everyone that
disagrees with him has exactly the same opinions.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Again and again you show your total ignorance of business.
That is called "branding" and not egotism. Do you say that
about Motel 6 or the Radisson chain?

I wasn't aware that any Mister 6 was responsible for
splashing his name on all those Hotel 6 buildings. And I see
that Radisson was named after a 17th century French
explorer. Did he return from the dead to promote his
"brand"?

A counter-example: Arni Nashbar is a friend of mine. He
started a business called Bike Warehouse that did remarkably
well. At a time it was growing rapidly, the name changed to
Bike Nashbar. As he was showing a bunch of us around the
works at that time, he said he resisted that name change;
but his lawyers said it would be difficult to impossible to
defend a copyright on "Bike Warehouse" - that it was too
generic. They urged him to use his last name.

I think that was pretty much the opposite of the
self-proclaimed "stable genius," the "I'm a very smart guy,"
the guy who said "I really am brilliant," etc.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...-orig-alee.cnn


Can you spot any egotism? I can.

Every time you post you show why your life has been a
failure and why your hatred for anyone and everyone around
you is so intense.

Tom, I'm sorry you're a nut case living in a hell hole. I
really am sorry. But please understand, it's not my fault.




We can do this all day long regarding brands, both
examples and counterexamples. For every Days Inn there's a
Hilton. No one did ego like Leona Helmsley of Helmsley
Hotels.

Oh, I can think of one guy who did.


This only proves that the world is a big place and says
nothing about Donald J Trump one way or the other.

Yep. There is no "better" or "worse." All men and women are
equal. The egotistical, never-employed, drug-addled bike
thief deserves as much adulation as the humble saint who
spends an entire life achieving things only for the benefit
of society.

They all get identical trophies for participation.



Maybe I was not clear.

I meant that brand strategies (Henry Ford comes to mind!)
can vary a lot without being dispositive about product
quality[1] or personal character of the founder in themselves.


As an aside, you make a good point that our once sacred,
'equality of opportunity' (which I strongly embrace), is
being displaced by 'everyone gets a medal' which is not only
evil but one small step from, 'make everyone equal by
cutting the heads off the tall ones.'

[1]No opinion on quality. I've never visited a Trump
property of any kind and am extremely unlikely to do so in
future.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:17:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:

'For every room in heaven, there's one just like it in hell
for someone else.'

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Not sure how to interpret this. Does it mean the rooms in heaven are
really, really bad? Or the rooms in hell are really, really good? And
your statement implies an exact 50/50 split between heaven and hell. 1
out of 2 are going to burn in hell. And the other half are going to be
happy in heaven. Based on my observations over the years, I can believe
the amount going to hell. But 50% gong to heaven seems too optimistic.

I was once told by an individual that had attended a Catholic collage
that all of those who did not worship the Christian God were bound for
Hell, that is currently 68% of the world's population who will be
taking the "down" elevator.
--
cheers,

John B.

It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get to the Pearly Gates
and find Buddha there.

So among your other talents you haven't any idea of what Buddhism is?


Whatever... The point of this atheist’s post was that with the
multiplicity of religions out there all praising their “One True God�, if
there is an afterlife, there’s gonna be a lot of people disappointed that
they bet on the wrong horse.

On 4/7/2020 5:26 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:17:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:

It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get to the Pearly Gates
and find Buddha there.

So among your other talents you haven't any idea of what Buddhism is?


Whatever... The point of this atheist’s post was that with the
multiplicity of religions out there all praising their “One True God�, if
there is an afterlife, there’s gonna be a lot of people disappointed that
they bet on the wrong horse.

This non-atheist believes that all religions and even non-religions are,
at best, tremendous simplifications. And only the most simplistic of
minds hold perfectly literal belief in every bit of their chosen dogma.

I think there is a reality beyond our personal electro-chemical
consciousness factories. But I think our chance of thoroughly
understanding that reality is about as great as a pet goldfish's chance
of understanding its owner's reality.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 13:08:54 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:


Jay, you can't let a chance go by to show you're crazy can you? Just the
PROPERTY that Trump owns makes him a billionaire.

Does he own them or are they owned by banks?

On 4/7/2020 5:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/7/2020 5:26 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:17:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph
Barone wrote:

It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get
to the Pearly Gates
and find Buddha there.

So among your other talents you haven't any idea of what
Buddhism is?


Whatever... The point of this atheist’s post was that
with the
multiplicity of religions out there all praising their
“One True God�, if
there is an afterlife, there’s gonna be a lot of people
disappointed that
they bet on the wrong horse.

This non-atheist believes that all religions and even
non-religions are, at best, tremendous simplifications. And
only the most simplistic of minds hold perfectly literal
belief in every bit of their chosen dogma.

I think there is a reality beyond our personal
electro-chemical consciousness factories. But I think our
chance of thoroughly understanding that reality is about as
great as a pet goldfish's chance of understanding its
owner's reality.


You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:59:01 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 8:20:46 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 09:04:46 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Well, comparing the Christian Heaven and the Muslim Heaven, the
Christians get a harp and the Muslims get 77 women, specified to have
big boobs.

So, what do the women get when they enter heaven? Somehow, that
question seems to have escaped the attention of the biblical authors
and scholars.

And, I have read that the Jews have seven heavens, but apparently no
harps or boobs :-)

No loose women or big boobs, but maybe some choir music. See the 5th
level of heaven:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_in_Judaism
The fifth heaven is under the administration of Samael. It
is also where the Ishim and the Song-Uttering Choirs reside.

Since the traditional Jewish image of paradise is lacking in
entertainment value, the biblical scholars added a playground:
Beyond Paradise, according to Legends of the Jews, is the higher
Gan Eden, where God is enthroned and explains the Torah to
its inhabitants.

So, there you have it. When you go to heaven, you're expected to
listen to choir music and study the Torah. Eternal damnation seems
like more fun.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

The religions of the Earth have become corrupted and while they are not bad they are following the incorrect paths. What's more, words that can from a profit who was preaching to 20 year old men whose average lifespan was 24 years should give you the idea that he was attempting to attract an audience and not tell them what actually was coming. All three of the world's major religions are based upon the Old Testament. But no one was supposed to spend their entire lives at the wailing wall of wasting their time praying to God 6 times a day. Christ did not come to Earth to build a religion based upon the concept of Royalty as existed in his time and his words say as much.

Listening to people here who actually believe in Darwin, spouting religion is ridiculous.

So Tom, you are now a prophet of God?

Certainly we were all aware that you are a world authority on
Medicine, Education, Economics, Politics, Engineering and Bicycles
(well perhaps not bicycles, after all they have three wires. Very
complicated to connect). And now Religion.

Tell us Tommy, will we be required to bow down toward San Leandro five
times a day and recite that "There is no God but God, and Tommy is his
Prophet"; and declare Jihad on all non-believers?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:49:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:17:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:

'For every room in heaven, there's one just like it in hell
for someone else.'

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Not sure how to interpret this. Does it mean the rooms in heaven are
really, really bad? Or the rooms in hell are really, really good? And
your statement implies an exact 50/50 split between heaven and hell. 1
out of 2 are going to burn in hell. And the other half are going to be
happy in heaven. Based on my observations over the years, I can believe
the amount going to hell. But 50% gong to heaven seems too optimistic.

I was once told by an individual that had attended a Catholic collage
that all of those who did not worship the Christian God were bound for
Hell, that is currently 68% of the world's population who will be
taking the "down" elevator.
--
cheers,

John B.

It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get to the Pearly Gates
and find Buddha there.

So among your other talents you haven't any idea of what Buddhism is?

An even better question is, "Do you?"
--
cheers,

John B.