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On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/7/2020 5:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/7/2020 5:26 PM, Ralph Barone wrote: wrote: On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:17:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote: It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get to the Pearly Gates and find Buddha there. So among your other talents you haven't any idea of what Buddhism is? Whatever... The point of this atheist’s post was that with the multiplicity of religions out there all praising their “One True God�, if there is an afterlife, there’s gonna be a lot of people disappointed that they bet on the wrong horse. This non-atheist believes that all religions and even non-religions are, at best, tremendous simplifications. And only the most simplistic of minds hold perfectly literal belief in every bit of their chosen dogma. I think there is a reality beyond our personal electro-chemical consciousness factories. But I think our chance of thoroughly understanding that reality is about as great as a pet goldfish's chance of understanding its owner's reality. You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in the nation. (I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.) Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"? -- cheers, John B. |
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On 4/7/2020 8:03 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 4/7/2020 5:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/7/2020 5:26 PM, Ralph Barone wrote: wrote: On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:17:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote: It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get to the Pearly Gates and find Buddha there. So among your other talents you haven't any idea of what Buddhism is? Whatever... The point of this atheist’s post was that with the multiplicity of religions out there all praising their “One True God�, if there is an afterlife, there’s gonna be a lot of people disappointed that they bet on the wrong horse. This non-atheist believes that all religions and even non-religions are, at best, tremendous simplifications. And only the most simplistic of minds hold perfectly literal belief in every bit of their chosen dogma. I think there is a reality beyond our personal electro-chemical consciousness factories. But I think our chance of thoroughly understanding that reality is about as great as a pet goldfish's chance of understanding its owner's reality. You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in the nation. (I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.) Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"? It's made all over northern Wisconsin. I just picked Mosinee because it's a paper plant town with an unusual name. We have more. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote: You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in the nation. (I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.) Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"? Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper. We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls. We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo! One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will need to buy any for a long time. - Frank Krygowski |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote: On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote: You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in the nation. (I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.) Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"? Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper. We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls. We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo! One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will need to buy any for a long time. - Frank Krygowski I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their banked overtime and stay home with pay. |
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On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 20:19:45 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/7/2020 8:03 PM, John B. wrote: On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 4/7/2020 5:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/7/2020 5:26 PM, Ralph Barone wrote: wrote: On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:17:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote: It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get to the Pearly Gates and find Buddha there. So among your other talents you haven't any idea of what Buddhism is? Whatever... The point of this atheist’s post was that with the multiplicity of religions out there all praising their “One True God�, if there is an afterlife, there’s gonna be a lot of people disappointed that they bet on the wrong horse. This non-atheist believes that all religions and even non-religions are, at best, tremendous simplifications. And only the most simplistic of minds hold perfectly literal belief in every bit of their chosen dogma. I think there is a reality beyond our personal electro-chemical consciousness factories. But I think our chance of thoroughly understanding that reality is about as great as a pet goldfish's chance of understanding its owner's reality. You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in the nation. (I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.) Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"? It's made all over northern Wisconsin. I just picked Mosinee because it's a paper plant town with an unusual name. We have more. There are probably toilet paper makers all along the northern portion of the U.S., Growing up in New England I remember paper mills all along the northern parts of Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine. Probably still there. Wherever trees grow :-) Out of curiosity I researched toilet paper a bit and the largest exporting countries are Germany ($395M) and China ($323M). The U.S. is 7th with ($188M). The largest importers are the U.S. ($375M) and Germany ($320). China appears to import none. Note the trade imbalance in the U.S. trade. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.) The shortage is quite real. Lots and lots of people used to spend more time in public places than at home, but now nobody is going anywhere near a public toilet if he can help it. So the big commercial rolls are not being used. People are using small domestic rolls instead. The solution would be for stores that are still open to move some of their commercial rolls from the supply closet to the merchandise shelves, but there appears to be some overwhelming reason that they can't do that -- at least nobody has advertised that they sell commercial rolls. Sherman & Lyn has a sign out front that says "TP 99c / pack". Or they did the last time I rode a bike on Winona Avenue. A picture of the sign has appeared in the newspaper since then. If anybody could sell commercial rolls retail, Sherman & Lyn could. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/ |
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On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 02:35:18 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote: On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote: You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in the nation. (I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.) Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"? Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper. We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls. We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo! One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will need to buy any for a long time. - Frank Krygowski I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their banked overtime and stay home with pay. Perhaps the problem is that while the U.S. exports some $188 million worth of toilet paper it imports some $375 million worth. A short fall of some 187 million dollars worth of toilet paper. Perhaps there really is a shortage. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:59:01 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
Listening to people here who actually believe in Darwin, spouting religion is ridiculous. Did you know that Usenet has its own collection of characters, apparently modeled after various biblical characters? I wrote this about 25 years ago. It still applies: http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/genesis.txt -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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AMuzi wrote:
- snip - You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in the nation. (I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.) Sorry buddhists, sorry Mosinee, but with Doosan and Alfa-Laval probably being way more adept than GM in building functioning respirators, Wisconsin needs to get rid of the invasive Holsteins, instead let the bisons roam! Exporting toilet paper is a logical complementary industry to the dairy industry which feeds lactose intolance that causes (up to 85%, or more, of) excessively high-tp consumption in the first place. TP hoarding is simple to explain, of course: - counterphobic tendency during uncertainty about escalation of shutdowns, curfews - fear for cleanliness; fear of regression, loss of control; refuge in hyperconsumerism (Freud) - hunter and gatherer (conservation-of-resources-theory, Hobfoll) - imitation (compared to other cart items, high visibility of tp packs, empty tp shelves) - high size-to-price ratio; zero risk bias; logistics limitations - per square inch, TP even cheaper than newsprint or Greek bonds (Varoufakis) - fall within in hierarchy of needs (Maslow; Otsuki) - prestige; differentiation (Veblen; Bourdieu) - preparation for natural state (Hobbes) - egocentric narcissism (Wardetzki) - displacement activity (Tinbergen) |
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