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  #121  
Old April 9th 20, 02:09 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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On 4/8/2020 7:34 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 12:39:54 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 2:05:09 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/8/2020 1:24 PM, wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 8:29:13 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:


'For every room in heaven, there's one just like it in hell
for someone else.'


Not sure how to interpret this. Does it mean the rooms in heaven are really, really bad? Or the rooms in hell are really, really good? And your statement implies an exact 50/50 split between heaven and hell. 1 out of 2 are going to burn in hell. And the other half are going to be happy in heaven. Based on my observations over the years, I can believe the amount going to hell. But 50% gong to heaven seems too optimistic.


I was once told by an individual that had attended a Catholic collage
that all of those who did not worship the Christian God were bound for
Hell, that is currently 68% of the world's population who will be
taking the "down" elevator.



You think 32% of the world population is Christian or Jewish? I think that is way too high a percentage. China and India are well over one billion each. Neither is a Christian nation. And all those other densely populated southeast Asian countries are not Christian. Don't think Africa has many Christians. Not Japan either. Not the middle east. The only Christian/Jew parts of the world are Europe, South American, North America, Australia, Israel. They might make up 25% of the world population. Then deduct all of the non believers and other believing immigrants from those populations. You are down to 10-15% of the world population believing in a Christian, Jew god. Not 32%.


You underestimate African Christian culture I think:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ing-in-europe/

True I did forget about the African Christian connection. My Mom's church/faith gets lots of ministers from Africa and the Philippines. And sends money and missionaries to Africa. But I'm still sticking with my statement that 32% of the world is not Christian/Jewish. I'm sure the billion plus in India are not Christian. And I'm equally positive the billion plus in China and the rest of Asia are not Christian. So that is 50% of the world's total population gone right there.


Well Pew, a rather respected group seem to think differently:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ing-in-europe/
Christians remained the largest religious group in the world in 2015,
making up nearly a third (31%) of Earth's 7.3 billion people,
according to a new Pew Research Center demographic analysis.

According to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country
The Christian population of India is 30,000,000
Of China is 31,220,000[43] to 67,070,000[22]
ref 43 - Chinese Family Panel Studies's survey of 201
ref 22 - Christianity (2010)" (PDF).
(probable translation: No one knows for sure :-)



Uh, thank you?
I posted that same PEW link above

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  #122  
Old April 9th 20, 02:11 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 4/8/2020 7:42 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 12:16:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:

Trump's tax cuts were not supposed to help you. Is that what ticks you off? That people in the top 10% actually lost money in the so-called tax cuts? That they were designed to help America and not some dumb ass special interest group. For the first time in modern history a President worked FOR the electorate and that's what you don't like.



You think the people in the top 10% income actually lost money due to the 2018 Tax Act? And you have been touting yourself on this board as being a genius and super smart. The top 10% income own about 90% of all the stock market. And the 2018 Tax Act cut the corporate tax rate to 20%. Big reduction. So corporations instantly had more profit. And that usually translates to higher stock prices. Of course in 2018 Trump caused the SP500, Dow, Nasdaq to all lose money.

As for working for the Electorate, when did companies get a vote? Did the Republicans pass that law recently? Giving votes to companies based on how much money they donated to Trump? The 2018 Tax Act was a corporate tax cut.


Ah but the top of the pile is paying far more than their share
https://tinyurl.com/renqn2b
The top 10 percent pays 53.3 percent of all federal taxes. And, 68% of
the federal income taxes.

The top 1 percent pays 24 percent of all federal taxes and 35 percent
of all federal income taxes.



Yep, noted here frequently.

The US of A has one of the most radically progressive tax
systems on earth (AOC or Red Bernie diatribes notwithstanding)

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Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #123  
Old April 9th 20, 02:25 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 09:56:27 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 2:26:16 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:17:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:

'For every room in heaven, there's one just like it in hell
for someone else.'

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Not sure how to interpret this. Does it mean the rooms in heaven are
really, really bad? Or the rooms in hell are really, really good? And
your statement implies an exact 50/50 split between heaven and hell. 1
out of 2 are going to burn in hell. And the other half are going to be
happy in heaven. Based on my observations over the years, I can believe
the amount going to hell. But 50% gong to heaven seems too optimistic.

I was once told by an individual that had attended a Catholic collage
that all of those who did not worship the Christian God were bound for
Hell, that is currently 68% of the world's population who will be
taking the "down" elevator.
--
cheers,

John B.

It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get to the Pearly Gates
and find Buddha there.

So among your other talents you haven't any idea of what Buddhism is?


Whatever... The point of this atheist’s post was that with the
multiplicity of religions out there all praising their “One True God”, if
there is an afterlife, there’s gonna be a lot of people disappointed that
they bet on the wrong horse.


Buddhism doesn't offer an afterlife. It is a way of life that also happens to pretty much align with Christianity. This is why so many Indians and Chinese converted to Christianity


Actually Tom, very few Chinese convert to Christianity. Surveys made,
in China, in 2005,6 and 7 showed that between 2 - 3% of Chinese were
Christians. A survey done in 2011 showed that 2.3% were Christian and
the latest survey, 2017, showed that 2.53 %were Christian.
In the same periods some 11-16%, 13% and 15.87% were Buddhist.

In India in surveys made from 1952 until 2011 Christians have ranged
from 2.3% to 2.6% in 1971 to 2.3% in 2011. During the same period
Buddhists have been 0.74%, 0.70% and 0.70%.

As has been noted in the past, you just don't know what you are
talking about.
--
cheers,

John B.

  #124  
Old April 9th 20, 02:55 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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On 4/8/2020 8:02 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 7:35:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.


Ralph, It appears that 3 out of 4 people have immune systems that react very rapidly to this virus and they cannot become infected. They are primed by the fact that Covid-19 is very similar to the cold virus so immunity is pretty much built-in.

Of the 25% of the population left, 80% of them had no or very mild symptoms. The remaining 20% is unclear since they are not properly testing people but it appears that the virus CAN be fatal to about 3% of them however the treatment methods look to be working very well. Perhaps this is the reason that there seems to be a sharp drop in fatalities. Though perhaps it can be more widespread testing which increases the baseline and makes the mortality rate calculations.

What if rather than 80% having little to no symptoms, only 5% do and only 3% of those are in danger? And treatment appears to be working on 80% of those?

I am quite upset at the apparently total fake claims from the CDC. It now appears that we will have fewer than 10% of the predicted fatalities from the CDC and that is not just room for error but totally missing the mark.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
World wide, of the 418,136 cases which, to date, have had an outcome:
329,731 (79%) Recovered
88,405 (21%) died
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.

In California
https://coronavirus.app/tracking/california
there are have been 18,909 cases diagnosed and 495 deaths and no
recoveries.
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.
--
cheers,

John B.


a larger perspective:

https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04...death-numbers/

Note that CDC now wants any death from any cause listed as
Wuhan virus COVID19, if that tests as present.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #125  
Old April 9th 20, 03:07 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 08:45:48 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/7/2020 10:35 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 02:35:18 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.


Perhaps the problem is that while the U.S. exports some $188 million
worth of toilet paper it imports some $375 million worth. A short fall
of some 187 million dollars worth of toilet paper. Perhaps there
really is a shortage.



I know nothing about it but it way well be that, like
bicycles and crude oil, the export product and the import
product are very different, hence 'volume' in both
directions for different markets.

In steel for example we import raw slab and export
stainless, maraging and other alloys, finished roll and so
on. To an outside observer the numbers look like 'steel in,
steel out'.


The problem is, like the toilet paper, that in 2012, for example, the
US produced some 89 million metric tons and consumed 97 million tons.
As for stainless, in 2018 the U.S. shipped 4.3% of the world's
stainless.
--
cheers,

John B.

  #126  
Old April 9th 20, 03:31 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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On 4/8/2020 9:07 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 08:45:48 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/7/2020 10:35 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 02:35:18 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.

Perhaps the problem is that while the U.S. exports some $188 million
worth of toilet paper it imports some $375 million worth. A short fall
of some 187 million dollars worth of toilet paper. Perhaps there
really is a shortage.



I know nothing about it but it way well be that, like
bicycles and crude oil, the export product and the import
product are very different, hence 'volume' in both
directions for different markets.

In steel for example we import raw slab and export
stainless, maraging and other alloys, finished roll and so
on. To an outside observer the numbers look like 'steel in,
steel out'.


The problem is, like the toilet paper, that in 2012, for example, the
US produced some 89 million metric tons and consumed 97 million tons.
As for stainless, in 2018 the U.S. shipped 4.3% of the world's
stainless.


Right. A very different thing from most of the steel we
import. My point being that there are usually qualitative
differences in import vs export within a commodity, not a
simple arithmetic exercise. Bicycles are a perfect example
in that what few we export are significantly different in
kind from those we import. Subtracting one from the other
misses the nuance of two different markets. I suspect that
the TP industry also varies, like brown coal vs coking coal
and so on.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #127  
Old April 9th 20, 04:21 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 21:31:50 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/8/2020 9:07 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 08:45:48 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/7/2020 10:35 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 02:35:18 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.

Perhaps the problem is that while the U.S. exports some $188 million
worth of toilet paper it imports some $375 million worth. A short fall
of some 187 million dollars worth of toilet paper. Perhaps there
really is a shortage.


I know nothing about it but it way well be that, like
bicycles and crude oil, the export product and the import
product are very different, hence 'volume' in both
directions for different markets.

In steel for example we import raw slab and export
stainless, maraging and other alloys, finished roll and so
on. To an outside observer the numbers look like 'steel in,
steel out'.


The problem is, like the toilet paper, that in 2012, for example, the
US produced some 89 million metric tons and consumed 97 million tons.
As for stainless, in 2018 the U.S. shipped 4.3% of the world's
stainless.


Right. A very different thing from most of the steel we
import. My point being that there are usually qualitative
differences in import vs export within a commodity, not a
simple arithmetic exercise. Bicycles are a perfect example
in that what few we export are significantly different in
kind from those we import. Subtracting one from the other
misses the nuance of two different markets. I suspect that
the TP industry also varies, like brown coal vs coking coal
and so on.


And of course you are correct. Although (here come the squirming) the
world wide steel usage is something like 51% for structures, 15% for
machines and mechanical and 12% for autos. I suggest that an all
encompassing statement may not be so far off target.

It might also be interesting that in industries where many types of
the same basic product are sold the type is always stated, Prices for
Brent Crude - 33.30, W.Texas Intermediate - 25.73, Louisiana Light -
19.54.
--
cheers,

John B.

  #128  
Old April 9th 20, 04:29 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 20:55:16 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/8/2020 8:02 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 7:35:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.

Ralph, It appears that 3 out of 4 people have immune systems that react very rapidly to this virus and they cannot become infected. They are primed by the fact that Covid-19 is very similar to the cold virus so immunity is pretty much built-in.

Of the 25% of the population left, 80% of them had no or very mild symptoms. The remaining 20% is unclear since they are not properly testing people but it appears that the virus CAN be fatal to about 3% of them however the treatment methods look to be working very well. Perhaps this is the reason that there seems to be a sharp drop in fatalities. Though perhaps it can be more widespread testing which increases the baseline and makes the mortality rate calculations.

What if rather than 80% having little to no symptoms, only 5% do and only 3% of those are in danger? And treatment appears to be working on 80% of those?

I am quite upset at the apparently total fake claims from the CDC. It now appears that we will have fewer than 10% of the predicted fatalities from the CDC and that is not just room for error but totally missing the mark.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
World wide, of the 418,136 cases which, to date, have had an outcome:
329,731 (79%) Recovered
88,405 (21%) died
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.

In California
https://coronavirus.app/tracking/california
there are have been 18,909 cases diagnosed and 495 deaths and no
recoveries.
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.
--
cheers,

John B.


a larger perspective:

https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04...death-numbers/

Note that CDC now wants any death from any cause listed as
Wuhan virus COVID19, if that tests as present.


I just had this discussion with a good friend who is living a boat in
the Philippines. I raised the question that "if the boom swings over,
hits you on the head and you fall overboard and drown while
unconscious, what caused your death?" The boom or the water?

My last comment was that it is a "Chicken or Egg" problem. He hasn't
replied yet :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

  #129  
Old April 9th 20, 04:34 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 20:11:54 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/8/2020 7:42 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 12:16:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:

Trump's tax cuts were not supposed to help you. Is that what ticks you off? That people in the top 10% actually lost money in the so-called tax cuts? That they were designed to help America and not some dumb ass special interest group. For the first time in modern history a President worked FOR the electorate and that's what you don't like.



You think the people in the top 10% income actually lost money due to the 2018 Tax Act? And you have been touting yourself on this board as being a genius and super smart. The top 10% income own about 90% of all the stock market. And the 2018 Tax Act cut the corporate tax rate to 20%. Big reduction. So corporations instantly had more profit. And that usually translates to higher stock prices. Of course in 2018 Trump caused the SP500, Dow, Nasdaq to all lose money.

As for working for the Electorate, when did companies get a vote? Did the Republicans pass that law recently? Giving votes to companies based on how much money they donated to Trump? The 2018 Tax Act was a corporate tax cut.


Ah but the top of the pile is paying far more than their share
https://tinyurl.com/renqn2b
The top 10 percent pays 53.3 percent of all federal taxes. And, 68% of
the federal income taxes.

The top 1 percent pays 24 percent of all federal taxes and 35 percent
of all federal income taxes.



Yep, noted here frequently.

The US of A has one of the most radically progressive tax
systems on earth (AOC or Red Bernie diatribes notwithstanding)


Well, one sure fire way to get elected is to argue that if elected you
WILL reduce taxes!

(I've always thought that tithing might be the fairest scheme :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

  #130  
Old April 9th 20, 04:37 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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Posts: 2,421
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On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 20:09:47 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/8/2020 7:34 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 12:39:54 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 2:05:09 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/8/2020 1:24 PM, wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 8:29:13 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:


'For every room in heaven, there's one just like it in hell
for someone else.'


Not sure how to interpret this. Does it mean the rooms in heaven are really, really bad? Or the rooms in hell are really, really good? And your statement implies an exact 50/50 split between heaven and hell. 1 out of 2 are going to burn in hell. And the other half are going to be happy in heaven. Based on my observations over the years, I can believe the amount going to hell. But 50% gong to heaven seems too optimistic.


I was once told by an individual that had attended a Catholic collage
that all of those who did not worship the Christian God were bound for
Hell, that is currently 68% of the world's population who will be
taking the "down" elevator.



You think 32% of the world population is Christian or Jewish? I think that is way too high a percentage. China and India are well over one billion each. Neither is a Christian nation. And all those other densely populated southeast Asian countries are not Christian. Don't think Africa has many Christians. Not Japan either. Not the middle east. The only Christian/Jew parts of the world are Europe, South American, North America, Australia, Israel. They might make up 25% of the world population. Then deduct all of the non believers and other believing immigrants from those populations. You are down to 10-15% of the world population believing in a Christian, Jew god. Not 32%.


You underestimate African Christian culture I think:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ing-in-europe/

True I did forget about the African Christian connection. My Mom's church/faith gets lots of ministers from Africa and the Philippines. And sends money and missionaries to Africa. But I'm still sticking with my statement that 32% of the world is not Christian/Jewish. I'm sure the billion plus in India are not Christian. And I'm equally positive the billion plus in China and the rest of Asia are not Christian. So that is 50% of the world's total population gone right there.


Well Pew, a rather respected group seem to think differently:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ing-in-europe/
Christians remained the largest religious group in the world in 2015,
making up nearly a third (31%) of Earth's 7.3 billion people,
according to a new Pew Research Center demographic analysis.

According to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country
The Christian population of India is 30,000,000
Of China is 31,220,000[43] to 67,070,000[22]
ref 43 - Chinese Family Panel Studies's survey of 201
ref 22 - Christianity (2010)" (PDF).
(probable translation: No one knows for sure :-)



Uh, thank you?
I posted that same PEW link above


:-) Yes you did. I just used it for "reinforcement" :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

 




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