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On 22/04/2017 18:43, Bret Cahill wrote:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/livab...421-story.html QUOTE: In Los Angeles and virtually every city in North America, bicycle theft has almost become a crime without consequence, so widespread that it is treated less as a problem and more like one of the costs of urban life. Thieves can quickly cut locks on a target that serves as its own getaway vehicle, sell their ill-gotten goods to fencers for pennies on the dollar, and rest assured they will almost never be busted. ENDQUOTE Wouldn't it be easier to combat that sort of crime if bicycles were easier to track once stolen - and pouldn't just be re-used with impunity as long as they were just a reasonable distance from the true owner's home ground? There could be a manufacturer's ID built into the frame somewhere. We could call it the Vehicle Identification Number. And if the bike had a clear and unique public registration plate, visible to any passer-by, any road-user or any police officer, renewed annually (except where the VIN marked them as stolen or had been erased/defaced or was otherwise not on the list of valid VINs), it would be much harder for a market for stolen bikes to exist. Thieves would be reduced to cutting them up for spares, which is W O R K. If cars didn't have VINs and registration plates, I dare say that even more of those would be stolen and never reappear. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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http://www.latimes.com/opinion/livab...421-story.html
QUOTE: In Los Angeles and virtually every city in North America, bicycle theft has almost become a crime without consequence, so widespread that it is treated less as a problem and more like one of the costs of urban life. Thieves can quickly cut locks on a target that serves as its own getaway vehicle, sell their ill-gotten goods to fencers for pennies on the dollar, and rest assured they will almost never be busted. ENDQUOTE Wouldn't it be easier to combat that sort of crime if bicycles were easier to track once stolen - and pouldn't just be re-used with impunity as long as they were just a reasonable distance from the true owner's home ground? There could be a manufacturer's ID built into the frame somewhere. The practical way to go is to GPS the bike so you can find it on the phone. Bret Cahill |
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On 23/04/17 17:43, JNugent wrote:
Though you obviously didn't know it, car-theft is actually rare in the the UK and countries with similar systems. It happens, but it isn't at all common. You're rather naive if you think plates have much to do with it. It is not common because cars have had electronic keys for the last 20 years and can't be hot wired; the key (or code) has to be obtained first. |
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On 23/04/2017 21:24, Paul Cummins wrote:
In article , (JNugent) wrote: Though you obviously didn't know it, car-theft is actually rare in the the UK and countries with similar systems. In 2014, over 240,000 vehicles (cars. motorcycles) were stolen. Stolen? Or taken away without the owners' consent? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On 23/04/2017 21:25, TMS320 wrote:
On 23/04/17 17:43, JNugent wrote: Though you obviously didn't know it, car-theft is actually rare in the the UK and countries with similar systems. It happens, but it isn't at all common. You're rather naive if you think plates have much to do with it. It is not common because cars have had electronic keys for the last 20 years and can't be hot wired; the key (or code) has to be obtained first. Nothing whatever to do with it. What is usually (inaccurately) termed a "stolen" car has not been stolen at all, because "steal" has a specific meaning in law which is not satisfied by joyrising, etc.. That's why there is an offence of "taking away without the owner's consent" - it's because the essential elements of the crime of theft do not exist in such cases and therefore cannot be proven. I had two cars TWOCd in the 1970s and got them both back when notified by the police (guess how they traced me?). If TWOCing has been reduced by better security devices, that's great, but reducing TWOC offences is not the same thing as reducing the number of thefts. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On 24/04/2017 01:38, JNugent wrote:
On 23/04/2017 21:25, TMS320 wrote: On 23/04/17 17:43, JNugent wrote: Though you obviously didn't know it, car-theft is actually rare in the the UK and countries with similar systems. It happens, but it isn't at all common. You're rather naive if you think plates have much to do with it. It is not common because cars have had electronic keys for the last 20 years and can't be hot wired; the key (or code) has to be obtained first. Nothing whatever to do with it. What is usually (inaccurately) termed a "stolen" car has not been stolen at all, because "steal" has a specific meaning in law which is not satisfied by joyrising, etc.. That's why there is an offence of "taking away without the owner's consent" - it's because the essential elements of the crime of theft do not exist in such cases and therefore cannot be proven. I had two cars TWOCd in the 1970s and got them both back when notified by the police (guess how they traced me?). If TWOCing has been reduced by better security devices, that's great, but reducing TWOC offences is not the same thing as reducing the number of thefts. Odd how the number of cars 'stolen' has fallen to a record (50 year ) low. 69,547 in 2016, I wonder why the 2014 figure of 231,323 was chosen to quote? Neither of the above figures are quantified as to type of misappropriation. There are 36 million cars on the road, so last year 0.2 percent were stolen. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...-year-low.html Meanwhile keeping it cycling: reported theft of bicycles is around 370,000 per year (note reported, the true figure would be much higher) from 2014-15 article: http://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/412/bi...ime-statistics No-one knows how many bicycles are 'on the road' But it seems likely there are less than 36 million, so the rate of theft is much higher than for cars. |
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