Cyclists can afford cars after all

Well, it can't be motorists because we have often been told that they
never do this.

http://www.roadhawk.co.uk/blog/impat...-on-pavements/

On 04/04/2017 21:58, TMS320 wrote:
Well, it can't be motorists because we have often been told that they
never do this.

http://www.roadhawk.co.uk/blog/impat...-on-pavements/



I see and directly encounter cyclists riding on pavements every day,
very few of them even slow down while negotiating/passing pedestrians.
I also see and encounter cyclists riding across Zebra crossings.

I have never seen or been passed by, a car coming toward me or from
behind me while I am walking on the pavement, nor have I seen a car
driving along a pavement, or using a Zebra crossing. I have never had
to leap out of the way of a pavement driven car either (unlike the
dangerously ridden pavement bicycles that I frequently see and have
encountered)

Certainly cars do sometimes mount pavements and park there, sometimes
they use a bit of pavement to avoid a temporary obstruction, but they do
not make their entire or significant parts of their journeys on
pavements, not even the cars being driven by cyclists, although I do
suspect that the worst driven cars probably have a cyclist at the wheel.

On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 21:58:28 +0100
TMS320 wrote:

Well, it can't be motorists because we have often been told that they
never do this.

http://www.roadhawk.co.uk/blog/impat...-on-pavements/

Crazy. Maybe if word gets out that one in three reported cases gets
prosecuted then this behaviour can be substantially reduced.

TMS320 wrote:
Well, it can't be motorists because we have often been told that they
never do this.

http://www.roadhawk.co.uk/blog/impat...-on-pavements/

Like a cyclist would not jump from the road to the footpath if the wagon was
blocking the road.
BTW, the driving in the video was appalling, but I suspect unusual.

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 7:49:39 AM UTC+1, MrCheerful wrote:
On 04/04/2017 21:58, TMS320 wrote:
Well, it can't be motorists because we have often been told that they
never do this.

http://www.roadhawk.co.uk/blog/impat...-on-pavements/



I see and directly encounter cyclists riding on pavements every day,

So do I, does that exempt motorists from the law?

very few of them even slow down while negotiating/passing pedestrians.

Yet you are still 200 times more likely to be killed by a car on the pavement than a bicycle\

I also see and encounter cyclists riding across Zebra crossings.

Not illegal


I have never seen or been passed by, a car coming toward me or from
behind me while I am walking on the pavement,

I have.

nor have I seen a car
driving along a pavement

I have

, or using a Zebra crossing

I have

.. I have never had
to leap out of the way of a pavement driven car either

I have

unlike the
dangerously ridden pavement bicycles that I frequently see and have
encountered)

Certainly cars do sometimes mount pavements and park there

and that's OK?


, sometimes
they use a bit of pavement to avoid a temporary obstruction

And that's OK?

, but they do
not make their entire or significant parts of their journeys on
pavements

What percentage of your journey are allowed to make on the pavement?

, not even the cars being driven by cyclists, although I do
suspect that the worst driven cars probably have a cyclist at the wheel.

Because that is the only way you can justify your childish prejudice?

wrote:
On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 7:49:39 AM UTC+1, MrCheerful wrote:
On 04/04/2017 21:58, TMS320 wrote:
Well, it can't be motorists because we have often been told that
they never do this.

http://www.roadhawk.co.uk/blog/impat...-on-pavements/



I see and directly encounter cyclists riding on pavements every day,

So do I, does that exempt motorists from the law?

very few of them even slow down while negotiating/passing
pedestrians.

Yet you are still 200 times more likely to be killed by a car on the
pavement than a bicycle\

I also see and encounter cyclists riding across Zebra crossings.

Not illegal


I have never seen or been passed by, a car coming toward me or from
behind me while I am walking on the pavement,

I have.

nor have I seen a car
driving along a pavement

I have

, or using a Zebra crossing

I have

. I have never had
to leap out of the way of a pavement driven car either

I have

unlike the
dangerously ridden pavement bicycles that I frequently see and have
encountered)

Certainly cars do sometimes mount pavements and park there

and that's OK?


, sometimes
they use a bit of pavement to avoid a temporary obstruction

And that's OK?

, but they do
not make their entire or significant parts of their journeys on
pavements

What percentage of your journey are allowed to make on the pavement?

, not even the cars being driven by cyclists, although I do
suspect that the worst driven cars probably have a cyclist at the
wheel.

Because that is the only way you can justify your childish prejudice?

Prick.

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 9:37:38 PM UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 7:49:39 AM UTC+1, MrCheerful wrote:
On 04/04/2017 21:58, TMS320 wrote:
Well, it can't be motorists because we have often been told that
they never do this.

http://www.roadhawk.co.uk/blog/impat...-on-pavements/



I see and directly encounter cyclists riding on pavements every day,

So do I, does that exempt motorists from the law?

very few of them even slow down while negotiating/passing
pedestrians.

Yet you are still 200 times more likely to be killed by a car on the
pavement than a bicycle\

I also see and encounter cyclists riding across Zebra crossings.

Not illegal


I have never seen or been passed by, a car coming toward me or from
behind me while I am walking on the pavement,

I have.

nor have I seen a car
driving along a pavement

I have

, or using a Zebra crossing

I have

. I have never had
to leap out of the way of a pavement driven car either

I have

unlike the
dangerously ridden pavement bicycles that I frequently see and have
encountered)

Certainly cars do sometimes mount pavements and park there

and that's OK?


, sometimes
they use a bit of pavement to avoid a temporary obstruction

And that's OK?

, but they do
not make their entire or significant parts of their journeys on
pavements

What percentage of your journey are allowed to make on the pavement?

, not even the cars being driven by cyclists, although I do
suspect that the worst driven cars probably have a cyclist at the
wheel.

Because that is the only way you can justify your childish prejudice?

Prick.

Reasoned argument, logically presented.

On 05/04/2017 17:22, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
TMS320 wrote:
Well, it can't be motorists because we have often been told that they
never do this.

http://www.roadhawk.co.uk/blog/impat...-on-pavements/

Like a cyclist would not jump from the road to the footpath if the wagon was
blocking the road.
BTW, the driving in the video was appalling, but I suspect unusual.


Unusual? Only if you consider "3,000 incidents of reckless driving per
month" unusual.

On 05/04/17 07:49, MrCheerful wrote:
On 04/04/2017 21:58, TMS320 wrote:
Well, it can't be motorists because we have often been told that they
never do this.

http://www.roadhawk.co.uk/blog/impat...-on-pavements/

I see and directly encounter cyclists riding on pavements every day,
very few of them even slow down while negotiating/passing pedestrians. I
also see and encounter cyclists riding across Zebra crossings.

How dangerous is it compared to motor vehicles?

I have never seen or been passed by, a car coming toward me or from
behind me while I am walking on the pavement,nor have I seen a car
driving along a pavement, or using a Zebra crossing. I have never had
to leap out of the way of a pavement driven car either (unlike the
dangerously ridden pavement bicycles that I frequently see and have
encountered)

Not happening to Mr Cheerful means it doesn't happen? Is the video made
up? The lower frequency is likely in large part due physical constraints
giving drivers fewer opportunities (perhaps you haven't noticed that
many pavements have streetlamps that restict the width?), rather than
from a lack of will.

Oh, I have seen cars drive on the pavement as part of a longer journey.

Certainly cars do sometimes mount pavements and park there, sometimes
they use a bit of pavement to avoid a temporary obstruction, but they do
not make their entire or significant parts of their journeys on
pavements, not even the cars being driven by cyclists, although I do
suspect that the worst driven cars probably have a cyclist at the wheel.

You're slipping. Where is your usual "please sweep it under the carpet
because this is a cycling newsgroup"?

On 06/04/2017 08:47, David R wrote:
On 05/04/17 07:49, MrCheerful wrote:
On 04/04/2017 21:58, TMS320 wrote:
Well, it can't be motorists because we have often been told that they
never do this.

http://www.roadhawk.co.uk/blog/impat...-on-pavements/


I see and directly encounter cyclists riding on pavements every day,
very few of them even slow down while negotiating/passing pedestrians. I
also see and encounter cyclists riding across Zebra crossings.

How dangerous is it compared to motor vehicles?

I have never seen or been passed by, a car coming toward me or from
behind me while I am walking on the pavement,nor have I seen a car
driving along a pavement, or using a Zebra crossing. I have never had
to leap out of the way of a pavement driven car either (unlike the
dangerously ridden pavement bicycles that I frequently see and have
encountered)

Not happening to Mr Cheerful means it doesn't happen? Is the video made
up? The lower frequency is likely in large part due physical constraints
giving drivers fewer opportunities (perhaps you haven't noticed that
many pavements have streetlamps that restict the width?), rather than
from a lack of will.

Oh, I have seen cars drive on the pavement as part of a longer journey.

Certainly cars do sometimes mount pavements and park there, sometimes
they use a bit of pavement to avoid a temporary obstruction, but they do
not make their entire or significant parts of their journeys on
pavements, not even the cars being driven by cyclists, although I do
suspect that the worst driven cars probably have a cyclist at the wheel.

You're slipping. Where is your usual "please sweep it under the carpet
because this is a cycling newsgroup"?

I brought the OP back on topic for the group.