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Naturally occuring high testosterone levels? [LANDIS WAS ROBBED. PERIOD. Read this!]
There's more than meets the eye here. Note testosterone was detected
for the first time at Stage 17 of the race and would NOT have affected his performance. Regardless of what the B-sample shows, Landis should be allowed to keep his medal. Clearly the abnormal ratio is a false positive or anomalous due to the other medication he is taking for thyroid and/or pain and in any event did not affect his performance. Poor *******, I feel sorry for him and I don't even follow racing. RL Tour winner Landis fails doping test By Stephen Wilson ASSOCIATED PRESS July 28, 2006 LONDON -- Floyd Landis' Tour de France victory was thrown into question yesterday when his team said he tested positive for high testosterone levels during stage 17, when the American champion began his stunning comeback with a charge into the Alps. The Swiss-based Phonak team said it was notified by the International Cycling Union (UCI) on Wednesday that Landis' sample showed an "unusual level of testosterone/epitestosterone" when he was tested after stage 17 on July 20. "My immediate reaction was to look for the alcohol bottle," joked Landis, who is known to enjoy a beer on the Tour and said he drank whiskey with teammates to bury their sorrows after Landis nearly fell out of contention the day before his stage 17 charge. The 30-year-old Landis made a dramatic comeback in that Alpine stage, racing far ahead of the field for a solo win that moved him from 11th to third in the overall standings. Despite a degenerative hip condition that will require surgery, he regained the leader's yellow jersey two days later. Testosterone creams, pills and injections can build muscle and strength and improve recovery time after exertion when used over several weeks. Testosterone is included as an anabolic steroid by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) on its list of banned substances. The use of supplements can be punished by a two-year ban. Under the agency's regulations, a ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone greater than 4-to-1 is considered a positive result and subject to investigation. The most likely natural ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone in humans is 1-to-1. However, if Landis had been a user, his earlier urine tests during the Tour would have been affected, too, said Dr. Gary Wadler, a WADA member and a spokesman for the American College of Sports Medicine. The stage 17 test was the first reported abnormal result. One-time use of steroids could result in an abnormal test, but it would have no effect on performance and could not account for Landis' astounding feat in that stage. "So something's missing here," Dr. Wadler said. "It just doesn't add up." Asked repeatedly what might have caused his positive test, Landis refused to lay blame on anything in particular. "As to what actually caused it on that particular day, I can only speculate," he said. However, Landis suggested in a story posted on Sports Illustrated's Web site that a small amount of hormone he has been taking for a thyroid condition or the cortisone shots he gets for hip pain could have skewed the result. Doctors, however, said the cortisone would not affect his test results. raylopez99 wrote: Starting a seperate thread based on some comments I reproduce below. I once saw a study of NFL football (American) players, which showed that they had, as a class, some of the highest concentrations of testosterone. They actually tied with criminals as I recall. The obvious question then is whether testosterone, which unlike some other drugs is produced naturally in the body, can "spike" naturally above the legal limit (or ratio) of 6:1 (testosterone to epitestosterone). Is it possible in the heat of battle (short term) or by diligent exercise (long term) to increase your testosterone over the legal limit without taking performance enhancing drugs? Some studies suggest so, according to some posters. Any doctors or medical researchers in this NG would could comment? Perhaps a lot of athletes have been robbed of their medals. RL ========================== Testosterone and epitestosterone are both synthesised by the body, so that in urine the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone is 6. If a sport competitor takes testosterone as a performance enhancing drug, the ratio is increased above 6. Boyd ') wrote: dannyfrankszzz said the following on 27/07/2006 15:31: I can't believe this! Pro cycling has to be about the biggest joke going. "The American, who claimed victory in the Tour de France on Sunday, has tested positive for the male sex hormone testosterone." Maybe I've missed something, but isn't it normal for a male to have testosterone??? Yes, within certain ranges. More improves your performance. What's alleged is than Landis' level after the 17th stage was 'anomalous', which I think is a polite way of saying 'outside the natural range'. Although, of course, different people differ in their natural levels of testosterone. |
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Naturally occuring high testosterone levels? [LANDIS WAS ROBBED.PERIOD. Read this!]
raylopez99 wrote:
There's more than meets the eye here. Note testosterone was detected for the first time at Stage 17 of the race and would NOT have affected his performance. Regardless of what the B-sample shows, Landis should be allowed to keep his medal. Clearly the abnormal ratio is a false positive or anomalous due to the other medication he is taking for thyroid and/or pain and in any event did not affect his performance. Poor *******, I feel sorry for him and I don't even follow racing. RL Tour winner Landis fails doping test By Stephen Wilson ASSOCIATED PRESS July 28, 2006 LONDON -- Floyd Landis' Tour de France victory was thrown into question yesterday when his team said he tested positive for high testosterone levels during stage 17, when the American champion began his stunning comeback with a charge into the Alps. The Swiss-based Phonak team said it was notified by the International Cycling Union (UCI) on Wednesday that Landis' sample showed an "unusual level of testosterone/epitestosterone" when he was tested after stage 17 on July 20. "My immediate reaction was to look for the alcohol bottle," joked Landis, who is known to enjoy a beer on the Tour and said he drank whiskey with teammates to bury their sorrows after Landis nearly fell out of contention the day before his stage 17 charge. The 30-year-old Landis made a dramatic comeback in that Alpine stage, racing far ahead of the field for a solo win that moved him from 11th to third in the overall standings. Despite a degenerative hip condition that will require surgery, he regained the leader's yellow jersey two days later. Testosterone creams, pills and injections can build muscle and strength and improve recovery time after exertion when used over several weeks. Testosterone is included as an anabolic steroid by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) on its list of banned substances. The use of supplements can be punished by a two-year ban. Under the agency's regulations, a ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone greater than 4-to-1 is considered a positive result and subject to investigation. The most likely natural ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone in humans is 1-to-1. However, if Landis had been a user, his earlier urine tests during the Tour would have been affected, too, said Dr. Gary Wadler, a WADA member and a spokesman for the American College of Sports Medicine. The stage 17 test was the first reported abnormal result. One-time use of steroids could result in an abnormal test, but it would have no effect on performance and could not account for Landis' astounding feat in that stage. "So something's missing here," Dr. Wadler said. "It just doesn't add up." Asked repeatedly what might have caused his positive test, Landis refused to lay blame on anything in particular. "As to what actually caused it on that particular day, I can only speculate," he said. However, Landis suggested in a story posted on Sports Illustrated's Web site that a small amount of hormone he has been taking for a thyroid condition or the cortisone shots he gets for hip pain could have skewed the result. Doctors, however, said the cortisone would not affect his test results. raylopez99 wrote: Starting a seperate thread based on some comments I reproduce below. I once saw a study of NFL football (American) players, which showed that they had, as a class, some of the highest concentrations of testosterone. They actually tied with criminals as I recall. The obvious question then is whether testosterone, which unlike some other drugs is produced naturally in the body, can "spike" naturally above the legal limit (or ratio) of 6:1 (testosterone to epitestosterone). Is it possible in the heat of battle (short term) or by diligent exercise (long term) to increase your testosterone over the legal limit without taking performance enhancing drugs? Some studies suggest so, according to some posters. Any doctors or medical researchers in this NG would could comment? Perhaps a lot of athletes have been robbed of their medals. RL ========================== Testosterone and epitestosterone are both synthesised by the body, so that in urine the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone is 6. If a sport competitor takes testosterone as a performance enhancing drug, the ratio is increased above 6. Boyd ') wrote: dannyfrankszzz said the following on 27/07/2006 15:31: I can't believe this! Pro cycling has to be about the biggest joke going. "The American, who claimed victory in the Tour de France on Sunday, has tested positive for the male sex hormone testosterone." Maybe I've missed something, but isn't it normal for a male to have testosterone??? Yes, within certain ranges. More improves your performance. What's alleged is than Landis' level after the 17th stage was 'anomalous', which I think is a polite way of saying 'outside the natural range'. Although, of course, different people differ in their natural levels of testosterone. If the B test is another "non-negative" then it'll be a mess that'll have to get sorted out in court. The bureaucrats won't have the authority to simply allow him to keep the victory on the theory that the levels were actually "normal" or were created by normal processes. From their perspective that's irrelevant. |
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