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Why to avoid cycle lanes
On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote: On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote: My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole repair, equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if councils did no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave much for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion figure is bogus. My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other things. What, ten thousand million pounds a year? UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10 is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a £1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol. How interesting. Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway maintenance? Yes, or no? As for fuel duty, all road users pay fuel duty not just motorists. And some people pay vehicle and fuel duties out of the benefits given to them by tax payers. The receipts from the duties is not all fresh money. |
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Why to avoid cycle lanes
On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote:
On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote: On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote: My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole repair, equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if councils did no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave much for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion figure is bogus. My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other things. What, ten thousand million pounds a year? UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10 is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a £1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol. How interesting. Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway maintenance? Yes, or no? Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned? As for fuel duty, all road users pay fuel duty not just motorists. And some people pay vehicle and fuel duties out of the benefits given to them by tax payers. The receipts from the duties is not all fresh money. |
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Why to avoid cycle lanes
On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote: On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote: On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote: My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole repair, equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if councils did no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave much for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion figure is bogus. My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other things. What, ten thousand million pounds a year? UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10 is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a £1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol. How interesting. Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway maintenance? Yes, or no? Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned? I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having added at least three posts on the topic). Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to disprove his claim? If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will happily accept that you were not in agreement with him. So it's over to you... As for fuel duty, all road users pay fuel duty not just motorists. And some people pay vehicle and fuel duties out of the benefits given to them by tax payers. The receipts from the duties is not all fresh money. |
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Why to avoid cycle lanes
On 29/10/2018 11:27, JNugent wrote:
On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote: On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote: On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote: On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote: My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole repair, equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if councils did no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave much for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion figure is bogus. My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other things. What, ten thousand million pounds a year? UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10 is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a £1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol. How interesting. Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway maintenance? Yes, or no? Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned? I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having added at least three posts on the topic). Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to disprove his claim? If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will happily accept that you were not in agreement with him. So it's over to you... As for fuel duty, all road users pay fuel duty not just motorists. And some people pay vehicle and fuel duties out of the benefits given to them by tax payers. The receipts from the duties is not all fresh money. I thought the claim was 10 billion ? |
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Why to avoid cycle lanes
On 29/10/2018 14:09, MrCheerful wrote:
On 29/10/2018 11:27, JNugent wrote: On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote: On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote: On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote: On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote: My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole repair, equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if councils did no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave much for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion figure is bogus. My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other things. What, ten thousand million pounds a year? UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10 is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a £1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol. How interesting. Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway maintenance? Yes, or no? Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned? I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having added at least three posts on the topic). Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to disprove his claim? If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will happily accept that you were not in agreement with him. So it's over to you... As for fuel duty, all road users pay fuel duty not just motorists. And some people pay vehicle and fuel duties out of the benefits given to them by tax payers. The receipts from the duties is not all fresh money. I thought the claim was 10 billion ? Good point. In English, a billion is a million millions, so "£10 billion" is really £10,000,000,000,000. Over the last thirty or so years though, the media and government have moved to the American billion (£1,000,000,000), which of course, is lower than a real billion by the little matter of a factor of 1,000. |
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Why to avoid cycle lanes
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:27:46 AM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote: On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote: On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote: On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote: My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole repair, equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if councils did no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave much for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion figure is bogus. My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other things. What, ten thousand million pounds a year? UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10 is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a £1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol. How interesting. Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway maintenance? Yes, or no? Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned? I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having added at least three posts on the topic). Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to disprove his claim? If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will happily accept that you were not in agreement with him. So it's over to you... I was just citing figures from Autoholics Anonymous and the Apologists for Bad Driving. |
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Why to avoid cycle lanes
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 2:18:14 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 29/10/2018 14:09, MrCheerful wrote: On 29/10/2018 11:27, JNugent wrote: On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote: On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote: On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote: On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote: My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole repair, equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if councils did no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave much for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion figure is bogus. My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other things. What, ten thousand million pounds a year? UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10 is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a £1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol. How interesting. Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway maintenance? Yes, or no? Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned? I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having added at least three posts on the topic). Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to disprove his claim? If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will happily accept that you were not in agreement with him. So it's over to you... As for fuel duty, all road users pay fuel duty not just motorists. And some people pay vehicle and fuel duties out of the benefits given to them by tax payers. The receipts from the duties is not all fresh money. I thought the claim was 10 billion ? Good point. In English, a billion is a million millions, so "£10 billion" is really £10,000,000,000,000. And is the "£30 billion" you claim motorists pay in excess tax really £30,000,000,000,000? Over the last thirty or so years though, the media and government have moved to the American billion (£1,000,000,000), which of course, is lower than a real billion by the little matter of a factor of 1,000. And many people think K=1000 rather than 1024 |
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Why to avoid cycle lanes
On 29/10/2018 17:34, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 2:18:14 PM UTC, JNugent wrote: On 29/10/2018 14:09, MrCheerful wrote: On 29/10/2018 11:27, JNugent wrote: On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote: On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote: On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote: On 27/10/2018 22:41, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 20:55, Simon Jester wrote: My local council spent £2.5million last year just on pothole repair, equation to £1 billion nationally. And a further £6.5 million repairing just 2 bridges, £2 Billion nationally. Even if councils did no other road improvement or maintenance work that doesn't leave much for the entire trunk road system. Conclusion, the £4.7billion figure is bogus. My council spent something like £16 million grubbing up some perfectly good streetlamps to fit led ones. Needless to say they claim poverty when it comes to maintenance. You're probably right that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other things. What, ten thousand million pounds a year? UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10 is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a £1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol. How interesting. Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway maintenance? Yes, or no? Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned? I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having added at least three posts on the topic). Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to disprove his claim? If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will happily accept that you were not in agreement with him. So it's over to you... As for fuel duty, all road users pay fuel duty not just motorists. And some people pay vehicle and fuel duties out of the benefits given to them by tax payers. The receipts from the duties is not all fresh money. I thought the claim was 10 billion ? Good point. In English, a billion is a million millions, so "£10 billion" is really £10,000,000,000,000. And is the "£30 billion" you claim motorists pay in excess tax really £30,000,000,000,000? What are you talking about. No need to answer; I am well aware that the question is too difficult for you. Over the last thirty or so years though, the media and government have moved to the American billion (£1,000,000,000), which of course, is lower than a real billion by the little matter of a factor of 1,000. And many people think K=1000 rather than 1024 You never studied Greek at school, did you? |
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Why to avoid cycle lanes
On 29/10/18 11:27, JNugent wrote:
On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote: On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote: On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote: What, ten thousand million pounds a year? UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10 is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a £1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol. How interesting. Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway maintenance? Yes, or no? Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned? I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having added at least three posts on the topic). Posts to tell you that your telepathy act is a total failure don't count. For some reason your figure has dropped from £10^10 to £10^9. That's equivalent to 10p. Do you often fuss over such small amounts? Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to disprove his claim? If you think my maths is wrong then point it out, if you wish. Otherwise, stop making assumptions that it means something that it does not. If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will happily accept that you were not in agreement with him. To remind you, my reply reply to JS was "You're probably right that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other things." Do you know what the word "probably" means? |
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Why to avoid cycle lanes
On 30/10/2018 08:55, TMS320 wrote:
On 29/10/18 11:27, JNugent wrote: On 29/10/2018 01:20, TMS320 wrote: On 28/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote: On 28/10/2018 17:11, TMS320 wrote: On 27/10/18 23:36, JNugent wrote: What, ten thousand million pounds a year? UK GDP is about £2x10^15 of which the government spends 40%. 10^10 is the equivalent of someone earning £80K and not knowing whether a £1 of it was spent on hummus or petrol. How interesting. Do you insist that £10,000,000,000 per annum is spent on motorway maintenance? Yes, or no? Why do insist on asking me a question on something I haven't mentioned? I asked (originally SJ) about this "£1,000,000,000 a year spent on motorway maintenance" claim and you then joined in (so far having added at least three posts on the topic). Posts to tell you that your telepathy act is a total failure don't count. For some reason your figure has dropped from £10^10 to £10^9. That's equivalent to 10p. Do you often fuss over such small amounts? Oh yes, I missed out a zero in that one line. Terrible. What an error. It hardly detracts from the point, which had already been stated. Either your strangulated equation involving GDP was support for his exceptionally fanciful claim (I'm putting that charitably) or it was designed to undermine him. It looks like support. Was it meant to disprove his claim? If you think my maths is wrong then point it out, if you wish. Otherwise, stop making assumptions that it means something that it does not. What has GDP got to do with whether "ten billion pounds" (£10,000,000,000) per annum is spent on the maintenance of the motorways of England and Wales (or perhaps the UK)? Eother the expenditure is "ten billion ponds" per year or it isn't. And here's a hint: it isn't. If it was meant as counter-evidence, and if you confirm that, I will happily accept that you were not in agreement with him. To remind you, my reply reply to JS was "You're probably right that a lot of money spent on roads is probably hidden under other things." Had he said that? Or even implied it? Do you know what the word "probably" means? Do you know what the phrase "completely irrelevant" means? |
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