CycloCross: Dismount/Run vs Jump?

"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
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Amit Ghosh writes:

dumbass,

And I am sure that you're a charming fellow yourself. For what reason
did you feel I merited this sobriquet?

Because among the noted here that is considered derigor. What's more, Amit
is slavishly attentive to anything that might smack of not worshiping Henry.

I am always sorry to see threads crossposted to the sad excuse for a
newsgroup that r.b.r. has become.

Well, I'm glad that you wrote that. But it would be better if you'd attend
r.b.r. and add to the racing talk. The group despirately needs people who
aren't posting for their own egos.

"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
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Another charming contestant, I see. Perhaps you didn't work out the
basics, which are that I didn't initiate the cross-posting. I did, out
of courtesy for those r.b.r. participants who can converse without
displaying terminal brain rot, include r.b.r. in my reply. The result
was predictable, of course, but you never know. Incivility took over
that newsgroup years ago, it was possible that civility had staged a
comeback. Apparently not, however. Intelligence appears to continue to
shun r.b.r.

We've had such charming people including those who managed to offend posters
such as Andy Hampsten, Roy Knickman and someone I suspect was Davis Phinney.

The central group on r.b.r. is actually proud of that record and attempts to
match it any chance they get.

Tom Kunich wrote:
The central group on r.b.r. is actually proud of that record and attempts
to match it any chance they get.

Dumbass,
As usual you didn't make it into the break.

Ryan Cousineau wrote:

*Chalo wrote:

I avoid riding my bikes in mud like I avoid bashing them with things
that would leave dents, or like I avoid hacking rocks with my kitchen
knives. *My limited experience with mud in the street suggests that
fat tires, skinny tires, and my shoes will all slide on it when I
would rather they didn't.

Very open tread compounds are the key, but all mud is not created equal.
The mud here in the PNW tends to clear from reasonable tires fairly
easily. I have heard tales of clay-based muds that pack onto every
surface of the bike, never leave, and harden there.

That sort of thing might change my attitudes to riding in the mud.

Austin gets about the same yearly precipitation as Seattle. Seattle
gets it thinly distributed over 200 days. Austin gets it in a small
number of Biblical deluges. Generally speaking, Seattle rain gets
everything in and around the street filthy, and Austin rain makes
things pretty clean, streets included. With a few small exceptions.

In my neighborhood, there are many folks who started their lives in
Mexico. One of the cultural habits some of them brought with them was
the tendency to sweep their yards daily, with or without watering, to
maintain a surface of smooth bare dirt as a kind of outdoor floor.
When the angry rain god of Central Texas goes on a bender, yards thus
surfaced dump a lot of fine silt directly into the gutter.

For a while after they arrive in the street, these silt accumulations
might as well be grease for all the traction they afford. Sometimes
the silt deposits can look like an insignificant film, when in reality
they are deep enough that no treaded tire or shoe will cut through
them to find the hard surface underneath. This is the basis of my
experience with mud for the last couple of years: Encounter some mud,
have a near- or actual fall.

When in the distant past I sometimes rode on trails, I found the mud
messy. abrasive, and sometimes smelly; I almost always attempted to
route around it. It was not nearly as lubricious as East Austin
street mud.

Chalo

On Feb 2, 1:23*pm, Chalo wrote:
Ryan Cousineau wrote:

*Chalo wrote:

I avoid riding my bikes in mud like I avoid bashing them with things
that would leave dents, or like I avoid hacking rocks with my kitchen
knives. *My limited experience with mud in the street suggests that
fat tires, skinny tires, and my shoes will all slide on it when I
would rather they didn't.

Very open tread compounds are the key, but all mud is not created equal..
The mud here in the PNW tends to clear from reasonable tires fairly
easily. I have heard tales of clay-based muds that pack onto every
surface of the bike, never leave, and harden there.

That sort of thing might change my attitudes to riding in the mud.

Austin gets about the same yearly precipitation as Seattle. *Seattle
gets it thinly distributed over 200 days. *Austin gets it in a small
number of Biblical deluges. *Generally speaking, Seattle rain gets
everything in and around the street filthy, and Austin rain makes
things pretty clean, streets included. *With a few small exceptions.

In my neighborhood, there are many folks who started their lives in
Mexico. *One of the cultural habits some of them brought with them was
the tendency to sweep their yards daily, with or without watering, to
maintain a surface of smooth bare dirt as a kind of outdoor floor.


No grass in the yards in Austin? Yards of bare dirt?





When the angry rain god of Central Texas goes on a bender, yards thus
surfaced dump a lot of fine silt directly into the gutter.

For a while after they arrive in the street, these silt accumulations
might as well be grease for all the traction they afford. *Sometimes
the silt deposits can look like an insignificant film, when in reality
they are deep enough that no treaded tire or shoe will cut through
them to find the hard surface underneath. *This is the basis of my
experience with mud for the last couple of years: *Encounter some mud,
have a near- or actual fall.

When in the distant past I sometimes rode on trails, I found the mud
messy. abrasive, and sometimes smelly; I almost always attempted to
route around it. *It was not nearly as lubricious as East Austin
street mud.

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"Chalo" wrote in message
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For a while after they arrive in the street, these silt accumulations
might as well be grease for all the traction they afford. Sometimes
the silt deposits can look like an insignificant film, when in reality
they are deep enough that no treaded tire or shoe will cut through
them to find the hard surface underneath. This is the basis of my
experience with mud for the last couple of years: Encounter some mud,
have a near- or actual fall.

That's why you keep a spare pair of wheels with cyclocross tires on them.

Avocet used to make a "reverse" knobby that was a smooth tire with very deep
and wide tread. These things were sort of like the Dunlap Universal tires
that were so popular among motorcyclists in the 60's. They rolled well on
hard roads but also worked well on poorer traction surfaces. Unfortunately
they stopped making them.

On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:28:44 -0800 (PST), Kurgan Gringioni
wrote:

Dumbass -

We may call each other Dumbass, but it's actually much more civil here
than it used to be.

Indeed - someone, quite a while ago, seeing from my address that I was
posting from France, made a commendable attempt at a translation and
came up with "tête de con"!

In article ,
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:34:10 -0600, Tim McNamara
wrote:

Amit Ghosh writes:

On Feb 1, 12:57*pm, Tim McNamara wrote:

A point that should be made is that, as in all sports, there is an
aesthetic and an etiquette. *In cyclo-cross it is the use of a
road-ish bike to do this stuff.

dumbass,

And I am sure that you're a charming fellow yourself. For what reason
did you feel I merited this sobriquet?

You cross-posted in rec.bicycles.racing. "Dumbass" means "Hello" in
rbr.

Ben cross-posted this sub-thread with

where he prefaces his message by announcing the cross-post.

--
Michael Press

russellseaton wrote:

Chalo wrote:

In my neighborhood, there are many folks who started their
lives in Mexico. *One of the cultural habits some of them
brought with them was the tendency to sweep their yards
daily, with or without watering, to maintain a surface of
smooth bare dirt as a kind of outdoor floor.

No grass in the yards in Austin? *Yards of bare dirt?

There's grass in the yard if you do nothing to it, or if you go out of
your way to have grass. There isn't grass in the yard if you
diligently sweep it clean every day.

The old widows next door to my last house had flowering plants placed
here and there in their clean-swept hardpan. The family on the other
side had six kids, aunts, uncles, cousins, dogs, chickens, and nary a
living plant anywhere in the back yard except trees. They had some
floor matting and plywood sheets laid down on the traffic paths, but
the rest was smooth bare dirt. They let some grass grow in the front
yard.

Chalo

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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

Well, I'm glad that you wrote that. But it would be better if you'd attend
r.b.r. and add to the racing talk. The group despirately needs people who
aren't posting for their own egos.

That pretty much eliminates Tom Kunich from contention, then.

Does "despirately" mean you have to be flying the Jolly Roger when you post? Arrrr.

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tanx,
Howard

Caught playing safe
It's a bored game

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