Angry driver on the wrong side of the road gets his comeuppance

MrCheerful wrote:
On 01/07/2019 11:43, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 10:18:58 GMT, TMS320 wrote:

On 01/07/2019 10:55, MrCheerful wrote:
On 01/07/2019 10:40, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:

Why do big box drivers ignore speed limits?

Why do cyclists ignore all the rules of both the road and common
sense?

Remarkable, but not surprising, that motorists love to dodge the
question.

You have a favourite statistic (even though it is meaningless, but
let's run with it), that cyclists harm the same number of
pedestrians per vehicle mile as drivers. In other words, all this
alleged law breaking by cyclists creates no additional harm. There
is no possible moral argument for demanding that the individual's
choice should produce a different outcome.

The drivers know it's bad (pollution deathrate etc) but mustn't let
themselves know this, so feel threatened by anything that shows them
in a bad light. It's a denial thing.



I can guarantee that if I were to take a short journey locally, 99
percent of the cyclists will be breaking one or many laws, despite
their tiny numbers (probably a dozen in a three mile journey). Whereas the
vast majority of the hundreds of motor vehicles seen in
the same distance will not be noticeably breaking laws and are easily
traced and apprehended if they do.

I also note that despite this being a cycling group you continually
try to move it to a driving group, why is that? are you too
embarassed to admit that uk cyclists are a terrible shower of
scofflaws?

I needed to go out this morning and saw four adult cyclists riding on the
footpath - they are too stupid to know that they are breaking the law.
Cyclists are without doubt very stupid.

On 01/07/2019 10:40, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 00:55:10 GMT, JNugent
wrote:

On 01/07/2019 01:24, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 12:16:05 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2019 22:23, Simon Jester wrote:

On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 8:40:07 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2019 16:46, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 3:43:09 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:

I have no adverse prejudice towards cyclists. I am happy to
acknowledge that a significant minority of them more or less
comply with the law.

The above statement shows how prejudiced you are.

It's like saying.
'I have nothing against Black people, some of them are almost as
good as White people.'

It's actually exactly like saying that some cyclists are law
abiding and that others (as it happens, these days, a majority)
are not.

That's what it's like saying. It is nothing at all like saying
anything to do with being black.

Thank you for proving my point.

Before you start ranting I do consider the anti-cyclist bias
equivalent to racism.

You can be as wrong and as stupid as you like, I can't stop you.

Being black (or Jewish or any other inherent characteristic) is
not a chosen behaviour. Being a chav scofflaw cyclist *is* a
chosen and deliberate behaviour. Your statement about what you
consider (that's perhaps putting it a bit high) doesn't change
that.

Enlisting in a particular religion is not a choice?

I would not previously have believed that you are so stupid as to
think that being black - or being Jewish - is a voluntary choice.

How is being Jewish NOT a voluntary choice?
I was raised as a Christian then I grew up and stopped believing in
fairy tales.

You aren't helping yourself. Stop digging.

I'm backing Jester on this one; you tried to conflate "professing a
religion" with "having a skin colour." Quite distinct.

Being Jewish is not "professing a religion", though it's easy to see why
some people make that mistake. Nevertheless, I'm surprised that you
didn't know that.

Telling the SS at the railway station that you were no longer practising
Judaeism didn't save you. Being Jewish is hereditary via the female side
and applies even to a completely non-religious Jew. You can look it up
if you like.

But you said it, so you must be.

Now, tell me why I should respect cyclists who break traffic law
constantly and repeatedly.

How do you feel about motorists who break speed limits?

What does it have to do with the way that cyclists behave (most of
'em)?

Why do big box drivers ignore speed limits?

You'd have to put that into proper English for an answer, but the answer
(whatever it might be and assuming I know it) is not relevant to the
issue of whether scofflaw chav cyclists should be respected. Is it?

On 01/07/2019 10:54, TMS320 wrote:
On 01/07/2019 00:16, JNugent wrote:

Now, tell me why I should respect cyclists who break traffic law
constantly and repeatedly.

Why should I respect somebody that chooses to use a dangerous form of
transport (no matter how careful and law abiding the driver) and
believes he can tell others using a much safer form of transport that
their behaviour is dangerous.

Unlike you, I work on the basis that criticism of behaviour should only
go sideways and up, not down.

IOW, you make up whatever you need to in order to evade questions whose
answers are not advantageous to you.

It's OK - I can see your difficulty (and can even sympathise, to some
extent).
How do you feel about motorists who break speed limits?

I'm not here to defend law-breaking by anyone - and never do.

On Sunday, 30 June 2019 12:55:19 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 29/06/2019 12:51, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Peter Keller wrote:
On 28. 6. 2019 16:36, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

If some scum **** on a bicycle ever points his finger at me, I
will break his nose.


Criminal.

I'm a man, not a cyclist.
Lordy, don't you have bikes to ride? the weather's lovely.
Based on the prejudices that you, Cheerful and Nugent have, then you
must be a cyclist that doesn't ride a bike.

On Monday, 1 July 2019 01:55:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2019 01:24, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 12:16:05 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2019 22:23, Simon Jester wrote:

On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 8:40:07 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2019 16:46, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 3:43:09 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:

I have no adverse prejudice towards cyclists. I am happy to acknowledge
that a significant minority of them more or less comply with the law.

The above statement shows how prejudiced you are.

It's like saying.
'I have nothing against Black people, some of them are almost as good as White people.'

It's actually exactly like saying that some cyclists are law abiding and
that others (as it happens, these days, a majority) are not.

That's what it's like saying. It is nothing at all like saying anything
to do with being black.

Thank you for proving my point.

Before you start ranting I do consider the anti-cyclist bias equivalent to racism.

You can be as wrong and as stupid as you like, I can't stop you.

Being black (or Jewish or any other inherent characteristic) is not a
chosen behaviour. Being a chav scofflaw cyclist *is* a chosen and
deliberate behaviour. Your statement about what you consider (that's
perhaps putting it a bit high) doesn't change that.

Enlisting in a particular religion is not a choice?

I would not previously have believed that you are so stupid as to think
that being black - or being Jewish - is a voluntary choice.

How is being Jewish NOT a voluntary choice?
I was raised as a Christian then I grew up and stopped believing in fairy tales.

You aren't helping yourself. Stop digging.

But you said it, so you must be.

Now, tell me why I should respect cyclists who break traffic law
constantly and repeatedly.

How do you feel about motorists who break speed limits?

What does it have to do with the way that cyclists behave (most of 'em)?

As this veered into religion, let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 4:51:29 PM UTC+1, budstaff wrote:
On Monday, 1 July 2019 01:55:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2019 01:24, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 12:16:05 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2019 22:23, Simon Jester wrote:

On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 8:40:07 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2019 16:46, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 3:43:09 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:

I have no adverse prejudice towards cyclists. I am happy to acknowledge
that a significant minority of them more or less comply with the law.

The above statement shows how prejudiced you are.

It's like saying.
'I have nothing against Black people, some of them are almost as good as White people.'

It's actually exactly like saying that some cyclists are law abiding and
that others (as it happens, these days, a majority) are not.

That's what it's like saying. It is nothing at all like saying anything
to do with being black.

Thank you for proving my point.

Before you start ranting I do consider the anti-cyclist bias equivalent to racism.

You can be as wrong and as stupid as you like, I can't stop you.

Being black (or Jewish or any other inherent characteristic) is not a
chosen behaviour. Being a chav scofflaw cyclist *is* a chosen and
deliberate behaviour. Your statement about what you consider (that's
perhaps putting it a bit high) doesn't change that.

Enlisting in a particular religion is not a choice?

I would not previously have believed that you are so stupid as to think
that being black - or being Jewish - is a voluntary choice.

How is being Jewish NOT a voluntary choice?
I was raised as a Christian then I grew up and stopped believing in fairy tales.

You aren't helping yourself. Stop digging.

But you said it, so you must be.

Now, tell me why I should respect cyclists who break traffic law
constantly and repeatedly.

How do you feel about motorists who break speed limits?

What does it have to do with the way that cyclists behave (most of 'em)?

As this veered into religion, let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbgqtvJOJus

On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 2:18:19 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2019 10:40, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 00:55:10 GMT, JNugent
wrote:

On 01/07/2019 01:24, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 12:16:05 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2019 22:23, Simon Jester wrote:

On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 8:40:07 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2019 16:46, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 3:43:09 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:

I have no adverse prejudice towards cyclists. I am happy to
acknowledge that a significant minority of them more or less
comply with the law.

The above statement shows how prejudiced you are.

It's like saying.
'I have nothing against Black people, some of them are almost as
good as White people.'

It's actually exactly like saying that some cyclists are law
abiding and that others (as it happens, these days, a majority)
are not.

That's what it's like saying. It is nothing at all like saying
anything to do with being black.

Thank you for proving my point.

Before you start ranting I do consider the anti-cyclist bias
equivalent to racism.

You can be as wrong and as stupid as you like, I can't stop you.

Being black (or Jewish or any other inherent characteristic) is
not a chosen behaviour. Being a chav scofflaw cyclist *is* a
chosen and deliberate behaviour. Your statement about what you
consider (that's perhaps putting it a bit high) doesn't change
that.

Enlisting in a particular religion is not a choice?

I would not previously have believed that you are so stupid as to
think that being black - or being Jewish - is a voluntary choice.

How is being Jewish NOT a voluntary choice?
I was raised as a Christian then I grew up and stopped believing in
fairy tales.

You aren't helping yourself. Stop digging.

I'm backing Jester on this one; you tried to conflate "professing a
religion" with "having a skin colour." Quite distinct.

Being Jewish is not "professing a religion", though it's easy to see why
some people make that mistake. Nevertheless, I'm surprised that you
didn't know that.

Telling the SS at the railway station that you were no longer practising
Judaeism didn't save you. Being Jewish is hereditary via the female side
and applies even to a completely non-religious Jew. You can look it up
if you like.

So you are saying there exists a Jewish gene?
Is there an Invisible Pink Unicorn gene?
What happens when a Jew converts to Islam? Does their brain explode or simply rewire itself?

On 01/07/2019 17:19, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 2:18:19 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2019 10:40, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 00:55:10 GMT, JNugent
wrote:

On 01/07/2019 01:24, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 12:16:05 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2019 22:23, Simon Jester wrote:

On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 8:40:07 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2019 16:46, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 3:43:09 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:

I have no adverse prejudice towards cyclists. I am happy to
acknowledge that a significant minority of them more or less
comply with the law.

The above statement shows how prejudiced you are.

It's like saying.
'I have nothing against Black people, some of them are almost as
good as White people.'

It's actually exactly like saying that some cyclists are law
abiding and that others (as it happens, these days, a majority)
are not.

That's what it's like saying. It is nothing at all like saying
anything to do with being black.

Thank you for proving my point.

Before you start ranting I do consider the anti-cyclist bias
equivalent to racism.

You can be as wrong and as stupid as you like, I can't stop you.

Being black (or Jewish or any other inherent characteristic) is
not a chosen behaviour. Being a chav scofflaw cyclist *is* a
chosen and deliberate behaviour. Your statement about what you
consider (that's perhaps putting it a bit high) doesn't change
that.

Enlisting in a particular religion is not a choice?

I would not previously have believed that you are so stupid as to
think that being black - or being Jewish - is a voluntary choice.

How is being Jewish NOT a voluntary choice?
I was raised as a Christian then I grew up and stopped believing in
fairy tales.

You aren't helping yourself. Stop digging.

I'm backing Jester on this one; you tried to conflate "professing a
religion" with "having a skin colour." Quite distinct.

Being Jewish is not "professing a religion", though it's easy to see why
some people make that mistake. Nevertheless, I'm surprised that you
didn't know that.

Telling the SS at the railway station that you were no longer practising
Judaeism didn't save you. Being Jewish is hereditary via the female side
and applies even to a completely non-religious Jew. You can look it up
if you like.

So you are saying there exists a Jewish gene?

No.

Is there an Invisible Pink Unicorn gene?

Only on your planet.

What happens when a Jew converts to Islam? Does their brain explode or simply rewire itself?

You'd better see whether you can find such a person to ask them.

BTW: If you're interested, you could always do a bit of reading rather
than just shooting aimlessly from the hip.

A good place to start:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

On 29. 6. 2019 18:57, GB wrote:
On 29/06/2019 11:26, Peter Keller wrote:

You are threatening physical violence against someone. That is a crime.

Is it? Surely, it's all a bit hypothetical and vague to be a real threat
of violence?

"Some scum on a bicycle .... I will break his nose" seems more than
hypothetical to me.
Re the gentleman walking towards me while I was riding on the footpath,
nothing like that at all happened, despite the fond hopes of Mr Pounder.
I was slowing down, he made to move aside so as to let me pass. He was
even smiling and being very friendly.
However, I stopped and moved off the footpath (it is rather narrow), and
waved him on with a smile. I think we parted on very pleasant terms.

On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2019 17:19, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 2:18:19 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2019 10:40, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 00:55:10 GMT, JNugent
wrote:

On 01/07/2019 01:24, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 12:16:05 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2019 22:23, Simon Jester wrote:

On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 8:40:07 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2019 16:46, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 3:43:09 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:

I have no adverse prejudice towards cyclists. I am happy to
acknowledge that a significant minority of them more or less
comply with the law.

The above statement shows how prejudiced you are.

It's like saying.
'I have nothing against Black people, some of them are almost as
good as White people.'

It's actually exactly like saying that some cyclists are law
abiding and that others (as it happens, these days, a majority)
are not.

That's what it's like saying. It is nothing at all like saying
anything to do with being black.

Thank you for proving my point.

Before you start ranting I do consider the anti-cyclist bias
equivalent to racism.

You can be as wrong and as stupid as you like, I can't stop you.

Being black (or Jewish or any other inherent characteristic) is
not a chosen behaviour. Being a chav scofflaw cyclist *is* a
chosen and deliberate behaviour. Your statement about what you
consider (that's perhaps putting it a bit high) doesn't change
that.

Enlisting in a particular religion is not a choice?

I would not previously have believed that you are so stupid as to
think that being black - or being Jewish - is a voluntary choice.

How is being Jewish NOT a voluntary choice?
I was raised as a Christian then I grew up and stopped believing in
fairy tales.

You aren't helping yourself. Stop digging.

I'm backing Jester on this one; you tried to conflate "professing a
religion" with "having a skin colour." Quite distinct.

Being Jewish is not "professing a religion", though it's easy to see why
some people make that mistake. Nevertheless, I'm surprised that you
didn't know that.

Telling the SS at the railway station that you were no longer practising
Judaeism didn't save you. Being Jewish is hereditary via the female side
and applies even to a completely non-religious Jew. You can look it up
if you like.

So you are saying there exists a Jewish gene?

No.

So it is not hereditary, merely a mindset.


Is there an Invisible Pink Unicorn gene?

Only on your planet.

Earth or Terra you mean.
Mother Very Thoughtfully Made Jam Sandwiches Under No Protest.
Although Pluto has now been downgraded to a dwarf planet.


What happens when a Jew converts to Islam? Does their brain explode or simply rewire itself?

You'd better see whether you can find such a person to ask them.

BTW: If you're interested, you could always do a bit of reading rather
than just shooting aimlessly from the hip.

A good place to start:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

Read it. Doesn't change the fact that being Jewish is not hereditary if an adult chooses to no longer be Jewish. No physical exam no matter how thorough can tell whether or not a person is Jewish. DNA can pinpoint ancestry but not fairy tale beliefs.