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Angry driver on the wrong side of the road gets his comeuppance
On 02/07/2019 13:33, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jul 2019 11:05:55 GMT, MrCheerful wrote: On 02/07/2019 10:50, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote: On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 20:46:54 GMT, TMS320 wrote: so-called "Mr" so-called "Cheerful": I also note that despite this being a cycling group you continually try to move it to a driving group, why is that?ÂÂÂ* are you too embarassed to admit that uk cyclists are a terrible shower of scofflaws? What do you expect? When idiots come in this group slagging off cyclists, what do you expect? So, logically, if you want to slag off car drivers, then surely you would go to a driving group? I guess some might. But this group is for cyclists. DKUATB. Yes, this is why I post articles about cyclists here. To post about car drivers I would post to a driving group, just as anyone sensible would. |
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Angry driver on the wrong side of the road gets his comeuppance
On 02/07/2019 13:33, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jul 2019 11:05:55 GMT, MrCheerful wrote: On 02/07/2019 10:50, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote: On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 20:46:54 GMT, TMS320 wrote: so-called "Mr" so-called "Cheerful": I also note that despite this being a cycling group you continually try to move it to a driving group, why is that?ÂÂÂ* are you too embarassed to admit that uk cyclists are a terrible shower of scofflaws? What do you expect? When idiots come in this group slagging off cyclists, what do you expect? So, logically, if you want to slag off car drivers, then surely you would go to a driving group? I guess some might. But this group is for cyclists. DKUATB. This group is not *for* cyclists. It is *about* cycling (and by extension, about cyclists). Your mistake has been made before. |
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Angry driver on the wrong side of the road gets his comeuppance
On 02/07/2019 10:42, TMS320 wrote:
On 01/07/2019 23:56, JNugent wrote: On 01/07/2019 23:29, TMS320 wrote: On 01/07/2019 22:08, JNugent wrote: On 01/07/2019 21:46, TMS320 wrote: On 01/07/2019 14:20, JNugent wrote: On 01/07/2019 10:54, TMS320 wrote: On 01/07/2019 00:16, JNugent wrote: Now, tell me why I should respect cyclists who break traffic law constantly and repeatedly. Why should I respect somebody that chooses to use a dangerous form of transport (no matter how careful and law abiding the driver) and believes he can tell others using a much safer form of transport that their behaviour is dangerous. Unlike you, I work on the basis that criticism of behaviour should only go sideways and up, not down. IOW, you make up whatever you need to in order to evade questions whose answers are not advantageous to you. In other words, criticism of behaviour should only go sideways and up, not down. How is doing otherwise advantageous to me? That's the ticket. Create your own definitions within your own little world. That way you think your "arguments" (yes, I know...) cannot be beaten. Whereas it is always your habit to obfuscate or change the subject (as immediately above). You have now played your hand. If you think my point of view is open to argument then have a go. If you don't have a go then you can't beat it. It isn't easy to beat "arguments" couched in meaningless terms and founded upon meaningless "principles". I told you my stand point. There is no "argument" that can change my change my mind about it. I knew that you are impervious to facts. Well, not all facts, just salient ones. And to any consideration of the rights of others, of course. Or for thinking that your attitude is wrong. You have seen other recent posts, I won't repeat it. The gods be praised. Participants in argument have to operate from a common premise or set of premises. Your premises are decidedly odd (whatever "criticism of behaviour up, down and sideways" might mean). You often tell people what you think they mean - which does not resemble anything they wrote. You do understand it but you can't twist it. If you are talking about your "Over, Under, Sideways, Down" schtick, I recognise it as a song title. In context, the phrase made little sense there, too. |
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Angry driver on the wrong side of the road gets his comeuppance
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 11:23:01 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2019 17:54, Simon Jester wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 01/07/2019 17:19, Simon Jester wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 2:18:19 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: [ ... ] I have no adverse prejudice towards cyclists. I am happy to acknowledge that a significant minority of them more or less comply with the law. The above statement shows how prejudiced you are. It's like saying. 'I have nothing against Black people, some of them are almost as good as White people.' It's actually exactly like saying that some cyclists are law abiding and that others (as it happens, these days, a majority) are not. That's what it's like saying. It is nothing at all like saying anything to do with being black. Thank you for proving my point. Before you start ranting I do consider the anti-cyclist bias equivalent to racism. You can be as wrong and as stupid as you like, I can't stop you. Being black (or Jewish or any other inherent characteristic) is not a chosen behaviour. Being a chav scofflaw cyclist *is* a chosen and deliberate behaviour. Your statement about what you consider (that's perhaps putting it a bit high) doesn't change that. Enlisting in a particular religion is not a choice? I would not previously have believed that you are so stupid as to think that being black - or being Jewish - is a voluntary choice. How is being Jewish NOT a voluntary choice? I was raised as a Christian then I grew up and stopped believing in fairy tales. You aren't helping yourself. Stop digging. I'm backing Jester on this one; you tried to conflate "professing a religion" with "having a skin colour." Quite distinct. Being Jewish is not "professing a religion", though it's easy to see why some people make that mistake. Nevertheless, I'm surprised that you didn't know that. Telling the SS at the railway station that you were no longer practising Judaeism didn't save you. Being Jewish is hereditary via the female side and applies even to a completely non-religious Jew. You can look it up if you like. So you are saying there exists a Jewish gene? No. So it is not hereditary, merely a mindset. Why does there have to be a particularly-identified gene or set of genes in order to be hereditary? Is there an Invisible Pink Unicorn gene? Only on your planet. Earth or Terra you mean. Forget the playground stuff. This isn't your old nursery alma mater. What happens when a Jew converts to Islam? Does their brain explode or simply rewire itself? You'd better see whether you can find such a person to ask them. BTW: If you're interested, you could always do a bit of reading rather than just shooting aimlessly from the hip. A good place to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F Read it. Is that an imperative (as in "You should read it")? I had read it before I cited it. Or was it a claim that you have read it? If you have, you obviously haven't understood it. Doesn't change the fact that being Jewish is not hereditary if an adult chooses to no longer be Jewish. No physical exam no matter how thorough can tell whether or not a person is Jewish. DNA can pinpoint ancestry but not fairy tale beliefs. You refuse to believe that there is such a thing as a non-religious Jew, do you? Honestly I neither know nor care. All religions look equally foolish to me. |
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Angry driver on the wrong side of the road gets his comeuppance
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 11:23:01 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2019 17:54, Simon Jester wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 01/07/2019 17:19, Simon Jester wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 2:18:19 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: [ ... ] I have no adverse prejudice towards cyclists. I am happy to acknowledge that a significant minority of them more or less comply with the law. The above statement shows how prejudiced you are. It's like saying. 'I have nothing against Black people, some of them are almost as good as White people.' It's actually exactly like saying that some cyclists are law abiding and that others (as it happens, these days, a majority) are not. That's what it's like saying. It is nothing at all like saying anything to do with being black. Thank you for proving my point. Before you start ranting I do consider the anti-cyclist bias equivalent to racism. You can be as wrong and as stupid as you like, I can't stop you. Being black (or Jewish or any other inherent characteristic) is not a chosen behaviour. Being a chav scofflaw cyclist *is* a chosen and deliberate behaviour. Your statement about what you consider (that's perhaps putting it a bit high) doesn't change that. Enlisting in a particular religion is not a choice? I would not previously have believed that you are so stupid as to think that being black - or being Jewish - is a voluntary choice. How is being Jewish NOT a voluntary choice? I was raised as a Christian then I grew up and stopped believing in fairy tales. You aren't helping yourself. Stop digging. I'm backing Jester on this one; you tried to conflate "professing a religion" with "having a skin colour." Quite distinct. Being Jewish is not "professing a religion", though it's easy to see why some people make that mistake. Nevertheless, I'm surprised that you didn't know that. Telling the SS at the railway station that you were no longer practising Judaeism didn't save you. Being Jewish is hereditary via the female side and applies even to a completely non-religious Jew. You can look it up if you like. So you are saying there exists a Jewish gene? No. So it is not hereditary, merely a mindset. Why does there have to be a particularly-identified gene or set of genes in order to be hereditary? Is there an Invisible Pink Unicorn gene? Only on your planet. Earth or Terra you mean. Forget the playground stuff. This isn't your old nursery alma mater. What happens when a Jew converts to Islam? Does their brain explode or simply rewire itself? You'd better see whether you can find such a person to ask them. BTW: If you're interested, you could always do a bit of reading rather than just shooting aimlessly from the hip. A good place to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F Read it. Is that an imperative (as in "You should read it")? I had read it before I cited it. Or was it a claim that you have read it? If you have, you obviously haven't understood it. Doesn't change the fact that being Jewish is not hereditary if an adult chooses to no longer be Jewish. No physical exam no matter how thorough can tell whether or not a person is Jewish. DNA can pinpoint ancestry but not fairy tale beliefs. You refuse to believe that there is such a thing as a non-religious Jew, do you? If there is a natural disaster such as a tsunami, earthquake, mudslide, volcanic eruption or whatever and an infant is found alive in the rubble. What scientific test can be performed to prove the child is Jewish? |
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On 02/07/2019 16:18, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 11:23:01 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 01/07/2019 17:54, Simon Jester wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 01/07/2019 17:19, Simon Jester wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 2:18:19 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: [ ... ] I have no adverse prejudice towards cyclists. I am happy to acknowledge that a significant minority of them more or less comply with the law. The above statement shows how prejudiced you are. It's like saying. 'I have nothing against Black people, some of them are almost as good as White people.' It's actually exactly like saying that some cyclists are law abiding and that others (as it happens, these days, a majority) are not. That's what it's like saying. It is nothing at all like saying anything to do with being black. Thank you for proving my point. Before you start ranting I do consider the anti-cyclist bias equivalent to racism. You can be as wrong and as stupid as you like, I can't stop you. Being black (or Jewish or any other inherent characteristic) is not a chosen behaviour. Being a chav scofflaw cyclist *is* a chosen and deliberate behaviour. Your statement about what you consider (that's perhaps putting it a bit high) doesn't change that. Enlisting in a particular religion is not a choice? I would not previously have believed that you are so stupid as to think that being black - or being Jewish - is a voluntary choice. How is being Jewish NOT a voluntary choice? I was raised as a Christian then I grew up and stopped believing in fairy tales. You aren't helping yourself. Stop digging. I'm backing Jester on this one; you tried to conflate "professing a religion" with "having a skin colour." Quite distinct. Being Jewish is not "professing a religion", though it's easy to see why some people make that mistake. Nevertheless, I'm surprised that you didn't know that. Telling the SS at the railway station that you were no longer practising Judaeism didn't save you. Being Jewish is hereditary via the female side and applies even to a completely non-religious Jew. You can look it up if you like. So you are saying there exists a Jewish gene? No. So it is not hereditary, merely a mindset. Why does there have to be a particularly-identified gene or set of genes in order to be hereditary? Is there an Invisible Pink Unicorn gene? Only on your planet. Earth or Terra you mean. Forget the playground stuff. This isn't your old nursery alma mater. What happens when a Jew converts to Islam? Does their brain explode or simply rewire itself? You'd better see whether you can find such a person to ask them. BTW: If you're interested, you could always do a bit of reading rather than just shooting aimlessly from the hip. A good place to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F Read it. Is that an imperative (as in "You should read it")? I had read it before I cited it. Or was it a claim that you have read it? If you have, you obviously haven't understood it. Doesn't change the fact that being Jewish is not hereditary if an adult chooses to no longer be Jewish. No physical exam no matter how thorough can tell whether or not a person is Jewish. DNA can pinpoint ancestry but not fairy tale beliefs. You refuse to believe that there is such a thing as a non-religious Jew, do you? Honestly I neither know nor care. All religions look equally foolish to me. Fair enough. You didn't know that Jewishness is regarded as an ethnicity. And why should you? Jews don't choose to be Jewish. Black people don't chhose to be black. That is not to say that members of either group would ever choose to be something else. But, OTOH, as you know, chav cyclists choose to behave as they do. |
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Angry driver on the wrong side of the road gets his comeuppance
On 02/07/2019 16:25, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 11:23:01 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 01/07/2019 17:54, Simon Jester wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 01/07/2019 17:19, Simon Jester wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 2:18:19 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: [ ... ] I have no adverse prejudice towards cyclists. I am happy to acknowledge that a significant minority of them more or less comply with the law. The above statement shows how prejudiced you are. It's like saying. 'I have nothing against Black people, some of them are almost as good as White people.' It's actually exactly like saying that some cyclists are law abiding and that others (as it happens, these days, a majority) are not. That's what it's like saying. It is nothing at all like saying anything to do with being black. Thank you for proving my point. Before you start ranting I do consider the anti-cyclist bias equivalent to racism. You can be as wrong and as stupid as you like, I can't stop you. Being black (or Jewish or any other inherent characteristic) is not a chosen behaviour. Being a chav scofflaw cyclist *is* a chosen and deliberate behaviour. Your statement about what you consider (that's perhaps putting it a bit high) doesn't change that. Enlisting in a particular religion is not a choice? I would not previously have believed that you are so stupid as to think that being black - or being Jewish - is a voluntary choice. How is being Jewish NOT a voluntary choice? I was raised as a Christian then I grew up and stopped believing in fairy tales. You aren't helping yourself. Stop digging. I'm backing Jester on this one; you tried to conflate "professing a religion" with "having a skin colour." Quite distinct. Being Jewish is not "professing a religion", though it's easy to see why some people make that mistake. Nevertheless, I'm surprised that you didn't know that. Telling the SS at the railway station that you were no longer practising Judaeism didn't save you. Being Jewish is hereditary via the female side and applies even to a completely non-religious Jew. You can look it up if you like. So you are saying there exists a Jewish gene? No. So it is not hereditary, merely a mindset. Why does there have to be a particularly-identified gene or set of genes in order to be hereditary? Is there an Invisible Pink Unicorn gene? Only on your planet. Earth or Terra you mean. Forget the playground stuff. This isn't your old nursery alma mater. What happens when a Jew converts to Islam? Does their brain explode or simply rewire itself? You'd better see whether you can find such a person to ask them. BTW: If you're interested, you could always do a bit of reading rather than just shooting aimlessly from the hip. A good place to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F Read it. Is that an imperative (as in "You should read it")? I had read it before I cited it. Or was it a claim that you have read it? If you have, you obviously haven't understood it. Doesn't change the fact that being Jewish is not hereditary if an adult chooses to no longer be Jewish. No physical exam no matter how thorough can tell whether or not a person is Jewish. DNA can pinpoint ancestry but not fairy tale beliefs. You refuse to believe that there is such a thing as a non-religious Jew, do you? If there is a natural disaster such as a tsunami, earthquake, mudslide, volcanic eruption or whatever and an infant is found alive in the rubble. What scientific test can be performed to prove the child is Jewish? You'd already admitted that you didn't know that Jewishness is regarded as an ethnicity. It's too late to start backpedalling. |
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On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 5:10:27 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 02/07/2019 16:25, Simon Jester wrote: If there is a natural disaster such as a tsunami, earthquake, mudslide, volcanic eruption or whatever and an infant is found alive in the rubble. What scientific test can be performed to prove the child is Jewish? You'd already admitted that you didn't know that Jewishness is regarded as an ethnicity. It's too late to start backpedalling. No backpedaling involved, I am seeking knowledge so please answer the question. I do not regard myself as Jewish but according to you I may be Jewish because of my ancestry. Are you only Jewish because your parents are Jewish or does it go back further in history? Are non Jewish children adopted by Jewish parents Jewish? Bear in mind the ancestors of people born in Israel were not born in Israel because Israel is a human political construct. |
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On 02/07/2019 18:02, Simon Jester wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 5:10:27 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 02/07/2019 16:25, Simon Jester wrote: If there is a natural disaster such as a tsunami, earthquake, mudslide, volcanic eruption or whatever and an infant is found alive in the rubble. What scientific test can be performed to prove the child is Jewish? You'd already admitted that you didn't know that Jewishness is regarded as an ethnicity. It's too late to start backpedalling. No backpedaling involved, I am seeking knowledge so please answer the question. I do not regard myself as Jewish but according to you I may be Jewish because of my ancestry. That is a blatant LIE. I know precisely nothing of, and have said nothing of, your ancestry. It is utterly ridiculous of you to claim it. Re-think your reasons for your dishonesty and re-phrase your statement honestly (if you can). If you don't recognise your own attempt at pure deceit, and if you don't amend it, don't expect a reply from me. Are you only Jewish because your parents are Jewish or does it go back further in history? Are non Jewish children adopted by Jewish parents Jewish? Bear in mind the ancestors of people born in Israel were not born in Israel because Israel is a human political construct. Amend your lie and then perhaps (perhaps) we can proceed. |
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Angry driver on the wrong side of the road gets his comeuppance
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 12:26:05 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 02/07/2019 18:02, Simon Jester wrote: On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 5:10:27 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 02/07/2019 16:25, Simon Jester wrote: If there is a natural disaster such as a tsunami, earthquake, mudslide, volcanic eruption or whatever and an infant is found alive in the rubble. What scientific test can be performed to prove the child is Jewish? You'd already admitted that you didn't know that Jewishness is regarded as an ethnicity. It's too late to start backpedalling. No backpedaling involved, I am seeking knowledge so please answer the question. I do not regard myself as Jewish but according to you I may be Jewish because of my ancestry. That is a blatant LIE. I know precisely nothing of, and have said nothing of, your ancestry. It is utterly ridiculous of you to claim it. Re-think your reasons for your dishonesty and re-phrase your statement honestly (if you can). If you don't recognise your own attempt at pure deceit, and if you don't amend it, don't expect a reply from me. Are you only Jewish because your parents are Jewish or does it go back further in history? Are non Jewish children adopted by Jewish parents Jewish? Bear in mind the ancestors of people born in Israel were not born in Israel because Israel is a human political construct. Amend your lie and then perhaps (perhaps) we can proceed. I can only assume your parents were haemorrhoids because you like to wriggle and squirm. |
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