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Tom Crispin wrote in
: On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:29:28 +0100, Judith M Smith wrote: Did you obey all traffic regulations? No. I kept within the speed limit (irrelevant for cyclists expect in Royal Parks), and never rode on the footway. At least four times I went through red lights. I was not involved in any "corking". I still cannot understand why you think it's ok to ignore traffic regulations yet criticise other road users for ignoring them. |
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Judith M Smith wrote in
: On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:27:37 +0100, "Wm...the ****wit" wrote: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:49:57 uk.rec.cycling JNugent [Your post amended so as to read comprehensibly in English without the pseudo-intellectual Franglais; no need for thanks.] Look at me, fool, I might be a pseudo intellectual too. No - not at all - you are just a ****wit. Just put the **** in your killfile like I have. I can't make head or tail of what he's saying anyway. |
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Danny Colyer wrote in
news On 29/08/2009 11:21, Tom Crispin wrote: As Critical Mass is legally defined as a procession, I do not think that it is morally wrong for the peloton to keep together as a group through light controlled road junctions; I strongly disagree, unless there is a police presence directing the mass to pass through the red lights. Indeed the second (and last) time that I rode in a CM I left part way through the ride in disgust due to red light jumping by others. I'm glad there's at least one decent cyclist here with some common sense. |
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Tom Crispin wrote in
news On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:03:56 +0100, Danny Colyer wrote: On 29/08/2009 11:21, Tom Crispin wrote: As Critical Mass is legally defined as a procession, I do not think that it is morally wrong for the peloton to keep together as a group through light controlled road junctions; I strongly disagree, unless there is a police presence directing the mass to pass through the red lights. Indeed the second (and last) time that I rode in a CM I left part way through the ride in disgust due to red light jumping by others. Lead cyclists on a CM ride certainly do stop a red traffic signal. Once the light turns to green the entire Mass passes through even if the lights subsequently turn to red. If they did not do this the ride would become fragmented. Absolutely NO excuse under any circumstances. Thank God you're not going to be a moderator. Maybe Jackson does have some sense. The lead peloton would stop in an attempt Please can you stop speaking in French otherwise I'll inflict some of my schoolboy French on you. |
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On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:40:25 +0100, Tom Crispin
wrote: snip Did you obey all traffic regulations? No. I kept within the speed limit (irrelevant for cyclists expect in Royal Parks), and never rode on the footway. At least four times I went through red lights. I was not involved in any "corking". Did the police permit you to jump the red-lights? If so - ignore following: Very inconsiderate, foolish, dangerous and illegal. What made you think this was acceptable? Are you not supposed to be a role model for the school kids and the kids you teach cycling to? What would you have said if someone had gone through their green light and then hit you? -- Latest DfT Figures: Passenger casualty rates by mode Per billion passenger kilometers: Killed or seriously injured: Pedal Cyclists : 527 Pedestrians 371 All casualties: Pedal Cyclists : 3494 Pedestrians : 1631 Which is more dangerous? |
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Mr. Benn wrote:
Tom Crispin wrote in : On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:29:28 +0100, Judith M Smith wrote: Did you obey all traffic regulations? No. I kept within the speed limit (irrelevant for cyclists expect in Royal Parks), and never rode on the footway. At least four times I went through red lights. I was not involved in any "corking". I still cannot understand why you think it's ok to ignore traffic regulations yet criticise other road users for ignoring them. Because he is one of those cyclists that are so important that traffic laws do not apply to him. -- Tony Dragon |
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On 29/08/2009 15:34, Tom Crispin wrote:
Lead cyclists on a CM ride certainly do stop a red traffic signal. Once the light turns to green the entire Mass passes through even if the lights subsequently turn to red. If they did not do this the ride would become fragmented. The lead peloton would stop in an attempt for the following peloton(s) to catch up, but by this time motor vehicles would have got in amoung the riders, so these motorists would have to be allowed past the lead peloton for the following peloton(s) to catch up. In an area with very heavy traffic light density, such as London, this would mean the progress of Critical Mass would be even slower than it already is, and drivers following the mass, who already face the worst delays, would face even longer delays. The purpose of a CM is supposed to be to highlight the presence of bikes as traffic. Pretending not to be traffic (for example by ignoring traffic regulations) seems counterproductive to me, and does a disservice to all cyclists by reinforcing the stereotype of cyclists as lawbreakers. -- Danny Colyer http://www.redpedals.co.uk Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often "I'm riding a unicycle with my pants down. This should be every boy's dream." - Bartholomew J Simpson |
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Tom Crispin wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:03:56 +0100, Danny Colyer wrote: On 29/08/2009 11:21, Tom Crispin wrote: As Critical Mass is legally defined as a procession, I do not think that it is morally wrong for the peloton to keep together as a group through light controlled road junctions; I strongly disagree, unless there is a police presence directing the mass to pass through the red lights. Indeed the second (and last) time that I rode in a CM I left part way through the ride in disgust due to red light jumping by others. Lead cyclists on a CM ride certainly do stop a red traffic signal. Once the light turns to green the entire Mass passes through even if the lights subsequently turn to red. So break the law & potentially cause accidents. If they did not do this the ride would become fragmented. So what The lead peloton would stop in an attempt for the following peloton(s) to catch up, but by this time motor vehicles would have got in amoung the riders, so these motorists would have to be allowed past the lead peloton for the following peloton(s) to catch up. And so? In an area with very heavy traffic light density, such as London, this would mean the progress of Critical Mass would be even slower than it already is, and drivers following the mass, who already face the worst delays, would face even longer delays. Ah, I see, you only break the law to help motorists. -- Tony Dragon |
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Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:09:21
uk.rec.cycling Mr. Benn %%@%%.% Please can you stop speaking in French otherwise I'll inflict some of my schoolboy French on you. Do it. I'll be amused. -- Wm... Reply-To: address valid for at least 7 days |
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Doug wrote:
On 29 Aug, 14:09, "Brimstone" wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:12:08 +0100, JNugent wrote: That cyclist is *not* more important than the bus driver or any of the several passengers who may have been aboard. The cyclists' safety is more important than a couple of minutes of the bus driver's and passengers' time. Then the cyclist should take responsibility for his own safety. Why? Because that is the sensible thing to do. Because motor vehicles are highly dangerous and lethal in the wrong hands? In which case why aren't the drivers made to take responsibility for other people's safety, They are instead of being allowed to ram cyclists who get in their way. Proof? -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill. -- Tony Dragon |
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