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Old October 22nd 12, 09:23 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bertie Wooster[_2_]
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And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if they
didn't properly project manage the works.
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Old October 22nd 12, 11:14 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
Judith[_4_]
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:23:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if they
didn't properly project manage the works.



Spot the knob at 49 seconds getting on his bike, just after the "No Cycling"
notice.

Is that another of your good friends?

I see it is called a "Foot Tunnel" - any idea why?

Do you know if cyclists are actually breaking a by-law by cycling and what the
penalties are? How does one go about reporting them?

It looks like a bit of pedestrian/citizen action is required

(uk.legal added)

--

Bertie Wooster's real name is Tom Crispin.
He uses the name Bertie Wooster so that people involved with
Young Lewisham and Greenwich Cyclists and John Ball primary school
can't see what a tosser he is.

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Old October 22nd 12, 11:20 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
Bertie Wooster[_2_]
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:14:50 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:23:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if they
didn't properly project manage the works.



Spot the knob at 49 seconds getting on his bike, just after the "No Cycling"
notice.

Is that another of your good friends?

I see it is called a "Foot Tunnel" - any idea why?

Do you know if cyclists are actually breaking a by-law by cycling and what the
penalties are? How does one go about reporting them?


You could try dialling 999.

It looks like a bit of pedestrian/citizen action is required

(uk.legal added)

--

Bertie Wooster's real name is Tom Crispin.
He uses the name Bertie Wooster so that people involved with
Young Lewisham and Greenwich Cyclists and John Ball primary school
can't see what a tosser he is.

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Old October 22nd 12, 11:31 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
Mrcheerful[_3_]
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Default The hopelessness of Greenwich Foot Tunnel

Judith wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:23:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if they
didn't properly project manage the works.



Spot the knob at 49 seconds getting on his bike, just after the "No
Cycling" notice.

Is that another of your good friends?

I see it is called a "Foot Tunnel" - any idea why?

Do you know if cyclists are actually breaking a by-law by cycling and
what the penalties are? How does one go about reporting them?

It looks like a bit of pedestrian/citizen action is required

(uk.legal added)


There is a bye law specifically prohibiting the riding of bicycles through
the greenwich foot tunnel.
The relevant acts are dated 1855, 1897 and 1903 and called :
The Thames tunnel (greenwich to Millwall) Act 1897 and the Metropolis
Management act 1855. One or both of these were updated in 1903.

Section 3 States: No person shall ride a bicycle, tricycle or other vehicle
in the tunnel.

Above taken from 'The Metropolitan Traffic Manual' by Carrol Romer






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Old October 22nd 12, 11:47 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
Judith[_4_]
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:20:25 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:14:50 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:23:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if they
didn't properly project manage the works.



Spot the knob at 49 seconds getting on his bike, just after the "No Cycling"
notice.

Is that another of your good friends?

I see it is called a "Foot Tunnel" - any idea why?

Do you know if cyclists are actually breaking a by-law by cycling and what the
penalties are? How does one go about reporting them?


You could try dialling 999.



Sorry - I was hoping for a sensible comment.
- I had forgotten how stupid you are.

Odd - there is about ten seconds of footage of "cyclists" in the tunnel - and 2
out of the six in the tunnel are cycling.

Is that typical - 33% - or is it usually more?


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Old October 22nd 12, 11:49 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
Judith[_4_]
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:31:59 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Judith wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:23:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if they
didn't properly project manage the works.



Spot the knob at 49 seconds getting on his bike, just after the "No
Cycling" notice.

Is that another of your good friends?

I see it is called a "Foot Tunnel" - any idea why?

Do you know if cyclists are actually breaking a by-law by cycling and
what the penalties are? How does one go about reporting them?

It looks like a bit of pedestrian/citizen action is required

(uk.legal added)


There is a bye law specifically prohibiting the riding of bicycles through
the greenwich foot tunnel.
The relevant acts are dated 1855, 1897 and 1903 and called :
The Thames tunnel (greenwich to Millwall) Act 1897 and the Metropolis
Management act 1855. One or both of these were updated in 1903.

Section 3 States: No person shall ride a bicycle, tricycle or other vehicle
in the tunnel.

Above taken from 'The Metropolitan Traffic Manual' by Carrol Romer



Excellent : do you know if penalties are defined and imposed?

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Old October 22nd 12, 12:03 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
Mrcheerful[_3_]
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Judith wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:31:59 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Judith wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:23:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if
they didn't properly project manage the works.


Spot the knob at 49 seconds getting on his bike, just after the "No
Cycling" notice.

Is that another of your good friends?

I see it is called a "Foot Tunnel" - any idea why?

Do you know if cyclists are actually breaking a by-law by cycling
and what the penalties are? How does one go about reporting them?

It looks like a bit of pedestrian/citizen action is required

(uk.legal added)


There is a bye law specifically prohibiting the riding of bicycles
through the greenwich foot tunnel.
The relevant acts are dated 1855, 1897 and 1903 and called :
The Thames tunnel (greenwich to Millwall) Act 1897 and the Metropolis
Management act 1855. One or both of these were updated in 1903.

Section 3 States: No person shall ride a bicycle, tricycle or other
vehicle in the tunnel.

Above taken from 'The Metropolitan Traffic Manual' by Carrol Romer



Excellent : do you know if penalties are defined and imposed?


As the original states 'forty shillings' I imagine there must be a modern
update to bring it up to modern standards.
If the cyclist refuses to give name and address to a constable's
satisfaction then it is an arrestable offence.

from :
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=D...e-laws&f=false

various wordings were updated in 1965
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1...ade?view=plain


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Old October 22nd 12, 12:07 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
GB[_5_]
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Default The hopelessness of Greenwich Foot Tunnel

On 22/10/2012 11:49, Judith wrote:

There is a bye law specifically prohibiting the riding of bicycles through
the greenwich foot tunnel.
The relevant acts are dated 1855, 1897 and 1903 and called :
The Thames tunnel (greenwich to Millwall) Act 1897 and the Metropolis
Management act 1855. One or both of these were updated in 1903.

Section 3 States: No person shall ride a bicycle, tricycle or other vehicle
in the tunnel.

Above taken from 'The Metropolitan Traffic Manual' by Carrol Romer



Excellent : do you know if penalties are defined and imposed?


If the penalties are specified in an act from 120 years ago, it could be
something fixed in monetary terms, which would now be tiny in value
given the effect of inflation.

Are you sure that these old acts weren't repealed by The Local Law
(Greater London Council and Inner London Boroughs) Order 1965?

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Old October 22nd 12, 12:44 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
Mrcheerful[_3_]
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GB wrote:
On 22/10/2012 11:49, Judith wrote:

There is a bye law specifically prohibiting the riding of bicycles
through the greenwich foot tunnel.
The relevant acts are dated 1855, 1897 and 1903 and called :
The Thames tunnel (greenwich to Millwall) Act 1897 and the
Metropolis Management act 1855. One or both of these were updated
in 1903. Section 3 States: No person shall ride a bicycle, tricycle or
other
vehicle in the tunnel.

Above taken from 'The Metropolitan Traffic Manual' by Carrol Romer



Excellent : do you know if penalties are defined and imposed?


If the penalties are specified in an act from 120 years ago, it could
be something fixed in monetary terms, which would now be tiny in value
given the effect of inflation.

Are you sure that these old acts weren't repealed by The Local Law
(Greater London Council and Inner London Boroughs) Order 1965?


Reworded in places certainly.

Where is a legal eagle when you need one?


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Old October 22nd 12, 01:16 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
Judith[_4_]
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Default The hopelessness of Greenwich Foot Tunnel

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:44:02 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

GB wrote:
On 22/10/2012 11:49, Judith wrote:

There is a bye law specifically prohibiting the riding of bicycles
through the greenwich foot tunnel.
The relevant acts are dated 1855, 1897 and 1903 and called :
The Thames tunnel (greenwich to Millwall) Act 1897 and the
Metropolis Management act 1855. One or both of these were updated
in 1903. Section 3 States: No person shall ride a bicycle, tricycle or
other
vehicle in the tunnel.

Above taken from 'The Metropolitan Traffic Manual' by Carrol Romer


Excellent : do you know if penalties are defined and imposed?


If the penalties are specified in an act from 120 years ago, it could
be something fixed in monetary terms, which would now be tiny in value
given the effect of inflation.

Are you sure that these old acts weren't repealed by The Local Law
(Greater London Council and Inner London Boroughs) Order 1965?


Reworded in places certainly.

Where is a legal eagle when you need one?



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