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  #41  
Old January 12th 21, 04:46 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:04:12 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

"U.S. Air Force personnel shall not cohabitant with indigenous
females", and the guy standing next to me asked me to translate it :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.


Rather than 'cohabitant', shouldn't the word used have been 'cohabitate'?


I'm pretty sure that the correct word is "cohabit".

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  #42  
Old January 12th 21, 06:58 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:28:38 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:37:00 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Not to disparage the Torah but until the 1440's all "books" were hand
written :-)


Not a problem, no offense taken, and as usual, I beg to differ
somewhat.

The first Gutenberg bible was available for purchase in 1554.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutenberg_Bible#Printing_history
Preparation of the Bible probably began soon after
1450, and the first finished copies were available
in 1454 or 1455.
There were probably prior books printed by Gutenberg that were not
bibles.


Yup. I should have written "the 1450's" "A contemporary account by a
visitor to Mainz indicates that the book was nearly ready in October
1454 and available for sale by March 1455."


Prior to the invention of the printing press, there was woodblock
printing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodblock_printing
which was invented in China in about 200 AD. Woodblock printing does
not require a scribe to put his hand on quill or paper. The European
version was the woodcut. Although text was possible, it was used
mostly for graphics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodcut


Re Chinese, Bi Sheng (990-1051 AD) was claimed to have created the
world's first known movable type system for printing.
An entire Chinese "word" on one slug of type.

By the way a Japanese bloke invented a typewriter in 1929 that worked
in the same way. And I suspect that Japanese news print is done in a
similar way as I believe today's news papers still use both the
phonetic and traditional (Chinese) characters.

By the way, the cost of the Gutenberg bible, when it left the
printer’s workshop was believed to be about thirty florins. I can't
convert florins to modern currency but it was said to be a clerk's
salary for 3 years, so in modern U.S. terms, perhaps $100,000
https://www.averagesalarysurvey.com/united-states,

But of course, back in the day, the common people were not encouraged
to read the bible which was intended for only the Clergy. Imagine, if
one allowed the Hoi Polloi to read it think of all the different
interpretations of "The Word" that might emerge.
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Cheers,

John B.

  #43  
Old January 12th 21, 08:23 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:46:08 -0500, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:04:12 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

"U.S. Air Force personnel shall not cohabitant with indigenous
females", and the guy standing next to me asked me to translate it :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.


Rather than 'cohabitant', shouldn't the word used have been 'cohabitate'?


I'm pretty sure that the correct word is "cohabit".


Well, as I said, I had to translate it for the guy standing next to
me.

But honestly, the common term used at the time and amongst the troops
the General was addressing was "shack up" as in "thou shall not shack
up with the local girls".
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Cheers,

John B.

  #44  
Old January 12th 21, 03:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:20:24 -0500,
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/11/2021 6:24 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:19:35 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/11/2021 1:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Among architects, the use of custom fonts is quite common.
The idea is that if someone pirates the architects work, the
unique fonts would make the theft obvious in a court of law.
In the distant past, we had three architects offices in the
office building. All of them used custom fonts. I don't
know if they still do that today.


Right, I had my all-caps scrawl digitized as a TrueType font.
Probably something like that.


Sorry, but your scribbling has probably been copyrighted:
https://www.1001fonts.com/illegible-fonts.html
https://www.fontget.com/discover/illegible/
https://www.myfonts.com/tags/illegible
etc...

My favorite font is "Faux Hebrew". Sending formatted email or
letters to my Jewish friends often results in confusion
(followed by profanity):
https://www.google.com/search?q=faux+hebrew+font&tbm=isch

The ultimate in penmanship are the torah scribes. They
transcribe the entire 304,805 word Torah with pen and ink by
hand. It takes about 2 years. No corrections are allowed.
One mistake and the scrolls are destroyed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Torah It's quite an art
and takes many years of practice to achieve perfection. A new
torah scroll will cost between $15,000 and $50,000 depending
mostly on the quality and consistency of the script:
https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Kosher-Written-Scroll-Reconditioned/dp/B003AT9RKM
One of my uncles was a draftsman in Israel back in the 1960's.
He augmented his income transcribing torah scrolls.


You may enjoy this production of PBS: "A to Z" on alphabets,
writing and printing.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/series/a-to-z/ Some interesting
information on things like the influence of materials on
writing systems, and many lovely scenes of calligraphers at
work.


+1

Saw this some weeks ago, and agree it's a good watch.

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Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA
  #45  
Old January 12th 21, 07:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_4_]
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On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 4:37:08 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:24:25 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:19:35 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 1/11/2021 1:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Among architects, the use of custom fonts is quite common. The idea
is that if someone pirates the architects work, the unique fonts would
make the theft obvious in a court of law. In the distant past, we had
three architects offices in the office building. All of them used
custom fonts. I don't know if they still do that today.


Right, I had my all-caps scrawl digitized as a TrueType
font. Probably something like that.


Sorry, but your scribbling has probably been copyrighted:
https://www.1001fonts.com/illegible-fonts.html
https://www.fontget.com/discover/illegible/
https://www.myfonts.com/tags/illegible
etc...

My favorite font is "Faux Hebrew". Sending formatted email or letters
to my Jewish friends often results in confusion (followed by
profanity):
https://www.google.com/search?q=faux+hebrew+font&tbm=isch

The ultimate in penmanship are the torah scribes. They transcribe the
entire 304,805 word Torah with pen and ink by hand. It takes about 2
years. No corrections are allowed. One mistake and the scrolls are
destroyed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Torah
It's quite an art and takes many years of practice to achieve
perfection. A new torah scroll will cost between $15,000 and $50,000
depending mostly on the quality and consistency of the script:
https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Kosher-Written-Scroll-Reconditioned/dp/B003AT9RKM
One of my uncles was a draftsman in Israel back in the 1960's. He
augmented his income transcribing torah scrolls.

Not to disparage the Torah but until the 1440's all "books" were hand
written :-)


More fake news? Books were printed with hand made metal presses in the 1300's. 1440, was the first Guttenberg movable type press.
  #46  
Old January 12th 21, 08:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Jeff Liebermann
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:26:39 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 11:28:22 PM UTC-8, wrote:

The smaller Swiss Army knives lack a blade suitable for opening
cardboard boxes, cutting thick cordage, stripping wire, and opening
theft proof packaging. So, I gave up on multiplex knives and switched
to something more practical:
https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Hand-Tools/Cutting/48-22-1530


Quite so, so telephone installation people used special hardened
and sharpened scissors for cutting phone wire and on the back edge
it has a slot for stripping the wire.


Sigh. Telco "scissors" are called "snips". There's no "special
hardening". Snips can be a little dull so that they don't cut through
the wire insulation when scoring the outer jacket. Hardened cutting
edges also have a habit of chipping. What you want is hardened and
then tempered. Note that this model has a serrated edge allegedly to
grip the wire when cutting:
http://www.southwiretools.com/tools/tools/ESP-1

This video does a rather nice job of explaining the difference between
snips and scissors, as well as demonstrating how the tool is used.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMpS2Ctfmg8

https://www.amazon.com/Electrician-Scissors-Theater-Klein-Tools/dp/B000VL03NC/

Klein tools are very good.

This style (as shown in the video) is allegedly better. However, the
only thing the oversize handle does is give you a better grip when
stripping wires:
https://www.amazon.com/Electrician-S...dp/B0015SBIL6/

https://www.amazon.com/Internets-Best-Premium-Utility-Retractable/dp/B01M27QHE2/

Not good. That will nick the insulation when cutting through the
jacket. If there's any braid, it will also damage the braid. It also
takes quite a bit of skill and practice to partially cut through the
jacket using a knife. I can do it because I've had a lifetime of
practice, but I wouldn't recommend using a knife if you have better
tools available. For example, I sometimes use these for stripping
CAT5, coax cables, and some electrical wires:
https://www.google.com/search?q=cat5+stripper&tbm=isch
They work well, but require a different die for each size of cable and
become dull if you allow the blade to touch the copper wire.

For cutting carboard boxed
and their wrapping the only tool to use was a razor knife.


Methinks the official name is a "box knife":
https://www.google.com/search?q=box+knife&tbm=isch
The trick for me is one handed deployment, operation, and retraction.
However, razor blade knives do not have a serrated blade edge, which
is useful for sawing open fiberglass reinforced packing tape, cutting
boxing rope, and dealing with multiple cardboard layers in one pass.
That's why I prefer the Milwaukee knife.

--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272
http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
  #47  
Old January 12th 21, 08:57 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 12:58:06 +0700, John B.
wrote:
But of course, back in the day, the common people were not encouraged
to read the bible which was intended for only the Clergy. Imagine, if
one allowed the Hoi Polloi to read it think of all the different
interpretations of "The Word" that might emerge.


No need to imagine. The story of William Tyndale and his printed
translation of the Latin bible into English in 1535 illustrates what
did happen with the GUM (great unwashed masses) were able to read the
bible without requiring a priestly interpretation or a knowledge of
Latin:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyndale_Bible

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PO Box 272
http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
  #48  
Old January 13th 21, 12:11 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:57:14 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 12:58:06 +0700, John B.
wrote:
But of course, back in the day, the common people were not encouraged
to read the bible which was intended for only the Clergy. Imagine, if
one allowed the Hoi Polloi to read it think of all the different
interpretations of "The Word" that might emerge.


No need to imagine. The story of William Tyndale and his printed
translation of the Latin bible into English in 1535 illustrates what
did happen with the GUM (great unwashed masses) were able to read the
bible without requiring a priestly interpretation or a knowledge of
Latin:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyndale_Bible


Although, to be honest, even those who didn't read "The Bible" found
themselves quite capable of finding "new paths". Do you wear Payot
(possible spelling error here)?
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Cheers,

John B.

  #49  
Old January 13th 21, 12:28 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:29:58 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 4:37:08 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:24:25 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:19:35 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 1/11/2021 1:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Among architects, the use of custom fonts is quite common. The idea
is that if someone pirates the architects work, the unique fonts would
make the theft obvious in a court of law. In the distant past, we had
three architects offices in the office building. All of them used
custom fonts. I don't know if they still do that today.

Right, I had my all-caps scrawl digitized as a TrueType
font. Probably something like that.

Sorry, but your scribbling has probably been copyrighted:
https://www.1001fonts.com/illegible-fonts.html
https://www.fontget.com/discover/illegible/
https://www.myfonts.com/tags/illegible
etc...

My favorite font is "Faux Hebrew". Sending formatted email or letters
to my Jewish friends often results in confusion (followed by
profanity):
https://www.google.com/search?q=faux+hebrew+font&tbm=isch

The ultimate in penmanship are the torah scribes. They transcribe the
entire 304,805 word Torah with pen and ink by hand. It takes about 2
years. No corrections are allowed. One mistake and the scrolls are
destroyed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Torah
It's quite an art and takes many years of practice to achieve
perfection. A new torah scroll will cost between $15,000 and $50,000
depending mostly on the quality and consistency of the script:
https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Kosher-Written-Scroll-Reconditioned/dp/B003AT9RKM
One of my uncles was a draftsman in Israel back in the 1960's. He
augmented his income transcribing torah scrolls.

Not to disparage the Torah but until the 1440's all "books" were hand
written :-)


More fake news? Books were printed with hand made metal presses in the 1300's. 1440, was the first Guttenberg movable type press.



Were they? Can you prove your statement that hand made metal presses
were in use in the 1300'? or is it just another figment of your
imagination?

Old Joe Gutenberg's first identifiable work is the Gutenberg's 31-line
Indulgence which is known to already exist on 22 October 1454.
The so called Gutenberg Bible, which was completed and according to
contemporary sources first sold in 1455.
--
Cheers,

John B.

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Old January 13th 21, 12:57 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_4_]
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On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 11:49:49 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:26:39 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 11:28:22 PM UTC-8, wrote:

The smaller Swiss Army knives lack a blade suitable for opening
cardboard boxes, cutting thick cordage, stripping wire, and opening
theft proof packaging. So, I gave up on multiplex knives and switched
to something more practical:
https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Hand-Tools/Cutting/48-22-1530


Quite so, so telephone installation people used special hardened
and sharpened scissors for cutting phone wire and on the back edge
it has a slot for stripping the wire.

Sigh. Telco "scissors" are called "snips". There's no "special
hardening". Snips can be a little dull so that they don't cut through
the wire insulation when scoring the outer jacket. Hardened cutting
edges also have a habit of chipping. What you want is hardened and
then tempered. Note that this model has a serrated edge allegedly to
grip the wire when cutting:
http://www.southwiretools.com/tools/tools/ESP-1

This video does a rather nice job of explaining the difference between
snips and scissors, as well as demonstrating how the tool is used.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMpS2Ctfmg8

https://www.amazon.com/Electrician-Scissors-Theater-Klein-Tools/dp/B000VL03NC/

Klein tools are very good.

This style (as shown in the video) is allegedly better. However, the
only thing the oversize handle does is give you a better grip when
stripping wires:
https://www.amazon.com/Electrician-S...dp/B0015SBIL6/

https://www.amazon.com/Internets-Best-Premium-Utility-Retractable/dp/B01M27QHE2/

Not good. That will nick the insulation when cutting through the
jacket. If there's any braid, it will also damage the braid. It also
takes quite a bit of skill and practice to partially cut through the
jacket using a knife. I can do it because I've had a lifetime of
practice, but I wouldn't recommend using a knife if you have better
tools available. For example, I sometimes use these for stripping
CAT5, coax cables, and some electrical wires:
https://www.google.com/search?q=cat5+stripper&tbm=isch
They work well, but require a different die for each size of cable and
become dull if you allow the blade to touch the copper wire.
For cutting carboard boxed
and their wrapping the only tool to use was a razor knife.

Methinks the official name is a "box knife":
https://www.google.com/search?q=box+knife&tbm=isch
The trick for me is one handed deployment, operation, and retraction.
However, razor blade knives do not have a serrated blade edge, which
is useful for sawing open fiberglass reinforced packing tape, cutting
boxing rope, and dealing with multiple cardboard layers in one pass.
That's why I prefer the Milwaukee knife.


Tell me Jeff, when did you work for the Telephone Company?

Since I was partner in a telephone installation firm putting phones into San Francisco skyscapers for several years what leads you to believe that you can tell me what tools I used? Why you're so amazing you can tell the actually contradict the people who actually make them. Over the last 10 years I've bought and assembled probably 100 bikes of all sorts from FS29ers, to every steel bike imaginable to cyclocross bikes, touring bikes, and aluminum and carbon fiber road framesets. They ALL came in heavy cardboard boxes and using a razor knife not only did I unpack them without a problem but I cut every one of the boxes up into small pieces that would fit into my recyclable trash can. I have replaced ONE razor and the knife came loaded with several replacements. So precisely WHY would I need a knife that has a saw edge on it and a cutting edge that wouldn't even slice the boxes open let alone cut them into small pieces.
 




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