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Does Slow Johnny still pull the wings off flies
On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 11:57:31 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 12:58:06 +0700, John B. wrote: But of course, back in the day, the common people were not encouraged to read the bible which was intended for only the Clergy. Imagine, if one allowed the Hoi Polloi to read it think of all the different interpretations of "The Word" that might emerge. No need to imagine. The story of William Tyndale and his printed translation of the Latin bible into English in 1535 illustrates what did happen with the GUM (great unwashed masses) were able to read the bible without requiring a priestly interpretation or a knowledge of Latin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyndale_Bible Before moveable type They would engrave and entire page and print with that.. These engravings had limited life because the tinplates would wear out rapidly. The advantage of the moveable type was that you could replace a single worn out character. his allowed mass manufacturing of Bibles. Originally they were all in Latin until the Reformation. Martin Luther made an impression. Up until the 1950's in printing rooms they would employ people that checked for worn typefaces. |
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On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 3:28:55 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:29:58 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich wrote: On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 4:37:08 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote: On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:24:25 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:19:35 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 1/11/2021 1:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: Among architects, the use of custom fonts is quite common. The idea is that if someone pirates the architects work, the unique fonts would make the theft obvious in a court of law. In the distant past, we had three architects offices in the office building. All of them used custom fonts. I don't know if they still do that today. Right, I had my all-caps scrawl digitized as a TrueType font. Probably something like that. Sorry, but your scribbling has probably been copyrighted: https://www.1001fonts.com/illegible-fonts.html https://www.fontget.com/discover/illegible/ https://www.myfonts.com/tags/illegible etc... My favorite font is "Faux Hebrew". Sending formatted email or letters to my Jewish friends often results in confusion (followed by profanity): https://www.google.com/search?q=faux+hebrew+font&tbm=isch The ultimate in penmanship are the torah scribes. They transcribe the entire 304,805 word Torah with pen and ink by hand. It takes about 2 years. No corrections are allowed. One mistake and the scrolls are destroyed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Torah It's quite an art and takes many years of practice to achieve perfection. A new torah scroll will cost between $15,000 and $50,000 depending mostly on the quality and consistency of the script: https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Kosher-Written-Scroll-Reconditioned/dp/B003AT9RKM One of my uncles was a draftsman in Israel back in the 1960's. He augmented his income transcribing torah scrolls. Not to disparage the Torah but until the 1440's all "books" were hand written :-) More fake news? Books were printed with hand made metal presses in the 1300's. 1440, was the first Guttenberg movable type press. Were they? Can you prove your statement that hand made metal presses were in use in the 1300'? or is it just another figment of your imagination? Old Joe Gutenberg's first identifiable work is the Gutenberg's 31-line Indulgence which is known to already exist on 22 October 1454. The so called Gutenberg Bible, which was completed and according to contemporary sources first sold in 1455. John, you continue not only to prove you aren't a Catholic, but have no religion at all. The Catholic church mass printed bibles in Latin for every diocese and most priests had to READ the service since they hadn't been trained in the church but were members of the royalty for that area. Are you suggesting the literally hundreds of thousands of Bibles were copied by hand? Take your "show me proof" and shove it up your ignorant ass. |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:13:09 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote: On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 3:28:55 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:29:58 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich wrote: On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 4:37:08 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote: On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:24:25 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:19:35 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 1/11/2021 1:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: Among architects, the use of custom fonts is quite common. The idea is that if someone pirates the architects work, the unique fonts would make the theft obvious in a court of law. In the distant past, we had three architects offices in the office building. All of them used custom fonts. I don't know if they still do that today. Right, I had my all-caps scrawl digitized as a TrueType font. Probably something like that. Sorry, but your scribbling has probably been copyrighted: https://www.1001fonts.com/illegible-fonts.html https://www.fontget.com/discover/illegible/ https://www.myfonts.com/tags/illegible etc... My favorite font is "Faux Hebrew". Sending formatted email or letters to my Jewish friends often results in confusion (followed by profanity): https://www.google.com/search?q=faux+hebrew+font&tbm=isch The ultimate in penmanship are the torah scribes. They transcribe the entire 304,805 word Torah with pen and ink by hand. It takes about 2 years. No corrections are allowed. One mistake and the scrolls are destroyed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Torah It's quite an art and takes many years of practice to achieve perfection. A new torah scroll will cost between $15,000 and $50,000 depending mostly on the quality and consistency of the script: https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Kosher-Written-Scroll-Reconditioned/dp/B003AT9RKM One of my uncles was a draftsman in Israel back in the 1960's. He augmented his income transcribing torah scrolls. Not to disparage the Torah but until the 1440's all "books" were hand written :-) More fake news? Books were printed with hand made metal presses in the 1300's. 1440, was the first Guttenberg movable type press. Were they? Can you prove your statement that hand made metal presses were in use in the 1300'? or is it just another figment of your imagination? Old Joe Gutenberg's first identifiable work is the Gutenberg's 31-line Indulgence which is known to already exist on 22 October 1454. The so called Gutenberg Bible, which was completed and according to contemporary sources first sold in 1455. John, you continue not only to prove you aren't a Catholic, but have no religion at all. The Catholic church mass printed bibles in Latin for every diocese and most priests had to READ the service since they hadn't been trained in the church but were members of the royalty for that area. Are you suggesting the literally hundreds of thousands of Bibles were copied by hand? Take your "show me proof" and shove it up your ignorant ass. So tell me Tommy, just when did this Catholic mass printing take place? Or is this another of your delusions? And "and most priests had to READ the service since they hadn't been trained in the church but were members of the royalty for that area." Again a reference for this. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 06:11:10 +0700, John B.
wrote: Do you wear Payot (possible spelling error here)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payot Nope. http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/jeffl/ -- Jeff Liebermann PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:13:09 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote: John, you continue not only to prove you aren't a Catholic, but have no religion at all. The Catholic church mass printed bibles in Latin for every diocese and most priests had to READ the service since they hadn't been trained in the church but were members of the royalty for that area. Are you suggesting the literally hundreds of thousands of Bibles were copied by hand? Take your "show me proof" and shove it up your ignorant ass. Perhaps these will help: "How was the Bible distributed before the printing press was invented in 1455?" https://www.biblica.com/resources/bible-faqs/how-was-the-bible-distributed-before-the-printing-press-was-invented-in-1455/ The work of copying the Scriptures was undertaken in earnest in the monasteries in the Middle Ages. Several thousand monasteries were established across Europe, and for many of the monks making copies of the Scriptures was their chief task. They became the true guardians of the text and produced literally thousands of magnificent Bibles. The artwork in the early bibles was amazing: "Vienna Moralized Bible (circa 1220 to 1480) made specifically for the French royal house." https://www.google.com/search?q=Vienna+Moralized+Bible&tbm=isch http://www.caareviews.org/reviews/82#.X_5qCRaIa70 One of the most striking of Lowden’s codicological findings is that identical underdrawings in both Bibles were pressure traced with a stylus and then independently worked up and provided with accompanying texts. However, the various Bibles Moralisee were not identical: ...Lowden persuasively asserts that the Bibles Moralisées were not produced by a process of transmission that presupposes a single authoritative original and involves subsequent attempts to reproduce the model without error. Instead, each version set out to be unlike the others, in some way intended to surpass its predecessors. So it is written, so it must be. -- Jeff Liebermann PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 08:31:55 +0700, John B. scribed:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:13:09 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich wrote: On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 3:28:55 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:29:58 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich wrote: On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 4:37:08 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote: On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:24:25 -0800, Jeff Liebermann One of my uncles was a draftsman in Israel back in the 1960's. He augmented his income transcribing torah scrolls. Not to disparage the Torah but until the 1440's all "books" were hand written :-) More fake news? Books were printed with hand made metal presses in the 1300's. 1440, was the first Guttenberg movable type press. Were they? Can you prove your statement that hand made metal presses were in use in the 1300'? or is it just another figment of your imagination? Old Joe Gutenberg's first identifiable work is the Gutenberg's 31-line Indulgence which is known to already exist on 22 October 1454. The so called Gutenberg Bible, which was completed and according to contemporary sources first sold in 1455. John, you continue not only to prove you aren't a Catholic, but have no religion at all. The Catholic church mass printed bibles in Latin for every diocese and most priests had to READ the service since they hadn't been trained in the church but were members of the royalty for that area. Are you suggesting the literally hundreds of thousands of Bibles were copied by hand? Take your "show me proof" and shove it up your ignorant ass. So tell me Tommy, just when did this Catholic mass printing take place? Or is this another of your delusions? And "and most priests had to READ the service since they hadn't been trained in the church but were members of the royalty for that area." Again a reference for this. Sounds like a juxtaposition of several common 'factoids' about feudal life. Of course, like in the past you will not get an answer. |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 19:13:19 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 06:11:10 +0700, John B. wrote: Do you wear Payot (possible spelling error here)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payot Nope. http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/jeffl/ In a couple of pictures you look like a Sheitel might improve things though :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 19:40:00 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:13:09 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich wrote: John, you continue not only to prove you aren't a Catholic, but have no religion at all. The Catholic church mass printed bibles in Latin for every diocese and most priests had to READ the service since they hadn't been trained in the church but were members of the royalty for that area. Are you suggesting the literally hundreds of thousands of Bibles were copied by hand? Take your "show me proof" and shove it up your ignorant ass. Perhaps these will help: "How was the Bible distributed before the printing press was invented in 1455?" https://www.biblica.com/resources/bible-faqs/how-was-the-bible-distributed-before-the-printing-press-was-invented-in-1455/ The work of copying the Scriptures was undertaken in earnest in the monasteries in the Middle Ages. Several thousand monasteries were established across Europe, and for many of the monks making copies of the Scriptures was their chief task. They became the true guardians of the text and produced literally thousands of magnificent Bibles. The artwork in the early bibles was amazing: "Vienna Moralized Bible (circa 1220 to 1480) made specifically for the French royal house." https://www.google.com/search?q=Vienna+Moralized+Bible&tbm=isch http://www.caareviews.org/reviews/82#.X_5qCRaIa70 One of the most striking of Lowden’s codicological findings is that identical underdrawings in both Bibles were pressure traced with a stylus and then independently worked up and provided with accompanying texts. However, the various Bibles Moralisee were not identical: ...Lowden persuasively asserts that the Bibles Moralisées were not produced by a process of transmission that presupposes a single authoritative original and involves subsequent attempts to reproduce the model without error. Instead, each version set out to be unlike the others, in some way intended to surpass its predecessors. So it is written, so it must be. Well, certainly there are various "versions" of the Bible and some of the instructions are a bit different. "Thou shall not kill" in some versions and "Thou shall not commit murder" in others for instance -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 15:57:35 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote: On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 11:49:49 AM UTC-8, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:26:39 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich wrote: On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 11:28:22 PM UTC-8, wrote: The smaller Swiss Army knives lack a blade suitable for opening cardboard boxes, cutting thick cordage, stripping wire, and opening theft proof packaging. So, I gave up on multiplex knives and switched to something more practical: https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Hand-Tools/Cutting/48-22-1530 Quite so, so telephone installation people used special hardened and sharpened scissors for cutting phone wire and on the back edge it has a slot for stripping the wire. Sigh. Telco "scissors" are called "snips". There's no "special hardening". Snips can be a little dull so that they don't cut through the wire insulation when scoring the outer jacket. Hardened cutting edges also have a habit of chipping. What you want is hardened and then tempered. Note that this model has a serrated edge allegedly to grip the wire when cutting: http://www.southwiretools.com/tools/tools/ESP-1 This video does a rather nice job of explaining the difference between snips and scissors, as well as demonstrating how the tool is used. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMpS2Ctfmg8 https://www.amazon.com/Electrician-Scissors-Theater-Klein-Tools/dp/B000VL03NC/ Klein tools are very good. This style (as shown in the video) is allegedly better. However, the only thing the oversize handle does is give you a better grip when stripping wires: https://www.amazon.com/Electrician-S...dp/B0015SBIL6/ https://www.amazon.com/Internets-Best-Premium-Utility-Retractable/dp/B01M27QHE2/ Not good. That will nick the insulation when cutting through the jacket. If there's any braid, it will also damage the braid. It also takes quite a bit of skill and practice to partially cut through the jacket using a knife. I can do it because I've had a lifetime of practice, but I wouldn't recommend using a knife if you have better tools available. For example, I sometimes use these for stripping CAT5, coax cables, and some electrical wires: https://www.google.com/search?q=cat5+stripper&tbm=isch They work well, but require a different die for each size of cable and become dull if you allow the blade to touch the copper wire. For cutting carboard boxed and their wrapping the only tool to use was a razor knife. Methinks the official name is a "box knife": https://www.google.com/search?q=box+knife&tbm=isch The trick for me is one handed deployment, operation, and retraction. However, razor blade knives do not have a serrated blade edge, which is useful for sawing open fiberglass reinforced packing tape, cutting boxing rope, and dealing with multiple cardboard layers in one pass. That's why I prefer the Milwaukee knife. Tell me Jeff, when did you work for the Telephone Company? 1966 or 67. I went through the training for GTE in Santa Monica CA while attending Santa Monica City College. However, I had to quit before I was done because the draft board wanted me. So, I went full time at SMCC in order to get a 2-S deferment. In 1967, I worked for about 2 months for Pacific Bell in a CO battery room. However, that didn't involve terminating signal wires and should not be considered relevent wiring experience. Since I was partner in a telephone installation firm putting phones into San Francisco skyscapers for several years what leads you to believe that you can tell me what tools I used? You didn't mention which tools you used. I also wasn't aware that I need your permission to suggest that you might consider using my favorite tools. Your failure to use the common name of "snips" and your mistaken impression that razor knives are suitable for terminating wires, failed to provide me with any suggestion that you had training or experience. It's really amazing how much one can deduce from only 3 lines of text. Why you're so amazing you can tell the actually contradict the people who actually make them. Thank you. However, please note that I did not "contradict" anything you said. Were you really recommending that one should use a razor or utility knife for preparing network or station wire for termination? Over the last 10 years I've bought and assembled probably 100 bikes of all sorts from FS29ers, to every steel bike imaginable to cyclocross bikes, touring bikes, and aluminum and carbon fiber road framesets. They ALL came in heavy cardboard boxes and using a razor knife not only did I unpack them without a problem but I cut every one of the boxes up into small pieces that would fit into my recyclable trash can. I have replaced ONE razor and the knife came loaded with several replacements. So precisely WHY would I need a knife that has a saw edge on it and a cutting edge that wouldn't even slice the boxes open let alone cut them into small pieces. If you are sufficiently skilled to cut through heavy cardboard without hitting whatever was packed inside, then by all means, continue using your 10 year old razor knife blade. Heavy cardboard might make it easier as it's likely that the bicycle manufacturer also put some protective distance between the bicycle parts and the box. If you were opening smaller and thinner cardboard boxes, such as USPS priority mail boxes, you would probably need to be more careful. Oddly, I've never had the experience of cutting up cardboard boxes so that they fit in the tiny residential recycling bins. My office building had a shared dumpster for recycled cardboard. I would cut through the tape, fold the box flat, sometimes cut the flat box in half, and drop it in the dumpster. At home, I recycle all my cardboard at the nearby transfer station, which also has a dumpster. The serrated edge on my knife is most used for rope, cordage, and webbing used to secure some larger boxes. I don't use it often, but things that need to sawed, a serrated edge makes cutting easier. Incidentally, I try to save as many cardboard boxes as possible. That became important when I closed my formerly palatial office and moved everything to my house. I eventually had to recycle most of the salvaged boxes, but kept enough to help (slowly) re-organize the mess: http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/cardboard-boxes.jpg There's another pile of about equal size in the shop. Also, for odd size boxes, I use a Uline H-101 carton resizer: https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-101/Carton-Tool/Carton-Sizer -- Jeff Liebermann PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:40:15 +0700, John B.
wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 19:13:19 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 06:11:10 +0700, John B. wrote: Do you wear Payot (possible spelling error here)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payot Nope. http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/jeffl/ In a couple of pictures you look like a Sheitel might improve things though :-) I had to look that one up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheitel That's for orthodox married women, not men. I'm beginning to look too much like my father, who lost most of his hair when he was about 50. I'm doing a little better, but not much. One of the benefits of being almost bald is that I can easily give myself and haircut and not have to pay and tip the barber. A laptop and a USB camera are useful hair cutting aids. Incidentally, here's the real me: http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/jeffl/jeffl-wolf.gif Give it time to load. -- Jeff Liebermann PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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