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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists



 
 
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Old August 11th 20, 01:43 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mike Collins
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Default Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists

On Monday, 10 August 2020 23:56:00 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 10/08/2020 19:50, Simon Mason wrote:
On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 7:44:49 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:

The proposed amendment to the Highway Code will say "[cyclists
should] ride in single file when drivers wish to overtake and it is safe
to let them do so". Which essentially confirms that old rule.


If you read the story, the cyclists moved into single file to let the van driver past. Why they then decided to pass by at high speed very close while leaning on their horn, only they will know. Totally unnecessary behaviour.


You are deliberately avoiding the point about not obstructing (which
happened when the cyclists were riding in parallel rather than in
series, totally unnecessarily).


Which type of vehicle causes most congestion, pedal cycles or motor vehicles?
If every car driver in London rode a pedal cycle would there be more or less congestion?
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Old August 11th 20, 11:04 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason[_6_]
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Default Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 1:43:51 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

Which type of vehicle causes most congestion, pedal cycles or motor vehicles?
If every car driver in London rode a pedal cycle would there be more or less congestion?


Obviously.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfIbYNmX...jpg&name=small
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Old August 11th 20, 11:20 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_12_]
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Default Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists

On 11/08/2020 01:43, Mike Collins wrote:

On Monday, 10 August 2020 23:56:00 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 10/08/2020 19:50, Simon Mason wrote:
On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 7:44:49 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:

The proposed amendment to the Highway Code will say "[cyclists
should] ride in single file when drivers wish to overtake and it is safe
to let them do so". Which essentially confirms that old rule.

If you read the story, the cyclists moved into single file to let the van driver past. Why they then decided to pass by at high speed very close while leaning on their horn, only they will know. Totally unnecessary behaviour.


You are deliberately avoiding the point about not obstructing (which
happened when the cyclists were riding in parallel rather than in
series, totally unnecessarily).


Which type of vehicle causes most congestion, pedal cycles or motor vehicles?


What is the relevance of your question?

If every car driver in London rode a pedal cycle would there be more or less congestion?


Ditto?

No-one expects the absence of congestion all the time. It is deliberate,
avoidable obstruction which is unacceptable.
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Old August 11th 20, 11:34 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Pamela
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Default Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists

On 01:43 11 Aug 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Monday, 10 August 2020 23:56:00 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 10/08/2020 19:50, Simon Mason wrote:
On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 7:44:49 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:

The proposed amendment to the Highway Code will say "[cyclists
should] ride in single file when drivers wish to overtake and it is
safe to let them do so". Which essentially confirms that old rule.

If you read the story, the cyclists moved into single file to let the
van driver past. Why they then decided to pass by at high speed very
close while leaning on their horn, only they will know. Totally
unnecessary behaviour.


You are deliberately avoiding the point about not obstructing (which
happened when the cyclists were riding in parallel rather than in
series, totally unnecessarily).


Which type of vehicle causes most congestion, pedal cycles or motor
vehicles? If every car driver in London rode a pedal cycle would there
be more or less congestion?


If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the bicycles ride on?
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Old August 11th 20, 11:37 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason[_6_]
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Default Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:

If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the bicycles ride on?


Council tax payers, as they do now?
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Old August 11th 20, 11:37 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Pamela
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Default Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists

On 19:44 10 Aug 2020, Pamela said:

On 18:45 10 Aug 2020, JNugent said:

On 10/08/2020 17:21, Simon Mason wrote:
What an ignorant tosser this driver is. QUOTE: One of the most common
complaints against cyclists that you will read on social media or in
the comments section of local newspapers is that they are riding two
abreast, even though that is perfectly legal - but it does seem to
have become embedded among a certain section of the motoring public
that it's not allowed, and that riders doing so are breaking the
rules.


What about this rule?

Highway Code Rule 168

Being overtaken ... Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass.


The proposed amendment to the Highway Code will say "[cyclists should]
ride in single file when drivers wish to overtake and it is safe to let
them do so". Which essentially confirms that old rule.

http://bit.ly/3ktyGJ1 -or- http://b.link/3cm4w


The wording is different but provides essentially the same instruction.


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Old August 11th 20, 11:41 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Pamela
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Default Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists

On 11:37 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said:

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:

If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the bicycles
ride on?


Council tax payers, as they do now?


Local council receive most of their funding from central government. It is
calculated that 7% of all national tax income is paid by motorists.
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Old August 11th 20, 11:44 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Pamela
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Default Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists

On 17:21 10 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said:

What an ignorant tosser this driver is.
QUOTE:
One of the most common complaints against cyclists that you will read on
social media or in the comments section of local newspapers is that they
are riding two abreast, even though that is perfectly legal - but it
does seem to have become embedded among a certain section of the
motoring public that it's not allowed, and that riders doing so are
breaking the rules.

Which leads us up to this punishment pass by a van driver on a pair of
cyclists riding side by side on the A4 between Chippenham and Bath -
what's more, one made just as the riders were moving into single file to
allow for a safe overtake.

The video was shot by road.cc reader Jody, who said: "We were chatting
while keeping a keen eye out for cars behind, ready to drop into single
line at the first thought of hindrance to anyone really.

"That wasn’t enough for one Traffic van diver however, who chose to
hold their high speed pass with a horn blast throughout, as they skimmed
their 2-tonne-at-least vehicle past my shoulder, in - I guess -
punishment, for the perceived infraction.

"On the plus side, the view over the hill was beautiful. Angry driver
was probably chewing their steering wheel at that point, so may have
missed it."

https://road.cc/content/news/near-mi...st-punishment-
pass-276327


I was watching the video and waiting to see this "punishment pass" when it
ended.

All I saw was a van driver overtake some cyclists and make a courtesy toot
to warn them of his presence. Cyclist are prone to wobbling and also not
knowing what is behind them.

In continental countries such toots to announce a vehicles's presence is
very common.


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Old August 11th 20, 11:46 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason[_6_]
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Default Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:42:06 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 11:37 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said:

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:

If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the bicycles
ride on?


Council tax payers, as they do now?


Local council receive most of their funding from central government. It is
calculated that 7% of all national tax income is paid by motorists.


Whereas drivers DAMAGE 100% of road infrastucture and people and houses and bridges and the air. They should pay MUCH more than the pittance they already do.
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Old August 11th 20, 11:56 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason[_6_]
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Default Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:44:57 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 17:21 10 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said:

What an ignorant tosser this driver is.
QUOTE:
One of the most common complaints against cyclists that you will read on
social media or in the comments section of local newspapers is that they
are riding two abreast, even though that is perfectly legal - but it
does seem to have become embedded among a certain section of the
motoring public that it's not allowed, and that riders doing so are
breaking the rules.

Which leads us up to this punishment pass by a van driver on a pair of
cyclists riding side by side on the A4 between Chippenham and Bath -
what's more, one made just as the riders were moving into single file to
allow for a safe overtake.

The video was shot by road.cc reader Jody, who said: "We were chatting
while keeping a keen eye out for cars behind, ready to drop into single
line at the first thought of hindrance to anyone really.

"That wasn’t enough for one Traffic van diver however, who chose to
hold their high speed pass with a horn blast throughout, as they skimmed
their 2-tonne-at-least vehicle past my shoulder, in - I guess -
punishment, for the perceived infraction.

"On the plus side, the view over the hill was beautiful. Angry driver
was probably chewing their steering wheel at that point, so may have
missed it."

https://road.cc/content/news/near-mi...st-punishment-
pass-276327


I was watching the video and waiting to see this "punishment pass" when it
ended.

All I saw was a van driver overtake some cyclists and make a courtesy toot


QUOTE:
A horn should not be used to indicate your annoyance.
ENDS

https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/answ...-use-your-horn

It was a long blast, not a "toot". Anyway, what the point of using it when he had gone past the cyclists?
 




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