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Cycle lanes a "danger" to drivers.
Story about how new local cycle lanes are confusing drivers.
http://www.swldxer.co.uk/zlanes.jpg -- Simon Mason http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/ |
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Cycle lanes a "danger" to drivers.
Simon Mason wrote:
Story about how new local cycle lanes are confusing drivers. http://www.swldxer.co.uk/zlanes.jpg Online at http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...=sidebarsearch These just look like an accident waiting to happen, and increase the dangers for cyclists. |
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Cycle lanes a "danger" to drivers.
Martin Dann wrote:
Simon Mason wrote: Story about how new local cycle lanes are confusing drivers. http://www.swldxer.co.uk/zlanes.jpg Online at http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...=sidebarsearch These just look like an accident waiting to happen, and increase the dangers for cyclists. We have had a similar road marked out like this for a couple of years near Ipswich in Suffolk. It is also signed as a cyclists priority route and says that cars can use the lane if no cyclists. After a few years, a lot of motorists still haven't got the hang of it, though it has persuaded a lot to use the nearby dual carraigeway instead. My only objection to such a scheme is that it creates the impression that motorists can use cycle lanes dotted or otherwise, when not a priority route - it gives mixed messages |
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Cycle lanes a "danger" to drivers.
On 10 Mar, 18:24, Pete Whelan wrote:
Martin Dann wrote: Simon Mason wrote: Story about how new local cycle lanes are confusing drivers. http://www.swldxer.co.uk/zlanes.jpg Online at http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...p?nodeId=13626.... These just look like an accident waiting to happen, and increase the dangers for cyclists. We have had a similar road marked out like this for a couple of years near Ipswich in Suffolk. *It is also signed as a cyclists priority route and says that cars can use the lane if no cyclists. After a few years, a lot of motorists still haven't got the hang of it, though it has persuaded a lot to use the nearby dual carraigeway instead. My only objection to such a scheme is that it creates the impression that motorists can use cycle lanes dotted or otherwise, when not a priority route - it gives mixed messages the old A40 raglan to abergavenny used to have those again problems with cars being too far over. |
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Cycle lanes a "danger" to drivers.
"Simon Mason" wrote in message ... Story about how new local cycle lanes are confusing drivers. http://www.swldxer.co.uk/zlanes.jpg IMO the best layout for cycling is a reasonably wide road, with a hatched centre area about 3 foot or so wide (or wider), where the white line normally goes. A driver has the discretion to use that area to pass a cyclist, whilst cyclists don't get abused for not riding in a 2 foot wide lane covered in broken glass. Of course, you are again relying on people knowing the highway code. I've occasionally had passengers question the legality of driving in hatched areas when I've overtaken people. I don't understand the confusion, as the major lines you shouldn't cross are solid white lines... |
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Cycle lanes a "danger" to drivers.
Pete Whelan wrote:
Martin Dann wrote: Simon Mason wrote: Story about how new local cycle lanes are confusing drivers. http://www.swldxer.co.uk/zlanes.jpg Online at http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...=sidebarsearch These just look like an accident waiting to happen, and increase the dangers for cyclists. We have had a similar road marked out like this for a couple of years near Ipswich in Suffolk. It is also signed as a cyclists priority route and says that cars can use the lane if no cyclists. After a few years, a lot of motorists still haven't got the hang of it, though it has persuaded a lot to use the nearby dual carraigeway instead. My only objection to such a scheme is that it creates the impression that motorists can use cycle lanes dotted or otherwise, when not a priority route - it gives mixed messages For dotted "cycle lanes", that isn't an impression - it's a fact. |
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Cycle lanes a "danger" to drivers.
Doki wrote:
IMO the best layout for cycling is a reasonably wide road, with a hatched centre area about 3 foot or so wide (or wider), where the white line normally goes. A driver has the discretion to use that area to pass a cyclist, whilst cyclists don't get abused for not riding in a 2 foot wide lane covered in broken glass. Of course, you are again relying on people knowing the highway code. I've occasionally had passengers question the legality of driving in hatched areas when I've overtaken people. I don't understand the confusion, as the major lines you shouldn't cross are solid white lines... I can't agree with you here. It encourages cyclists (not the feisty well trained ones) to shrink in the kerb even more to let cars past who then try it without going onto the hatches. In effect a very long chicane. Furthermore when cars park (normal and technically nothing wrong) there is quite a small space left on the outside where the _cyclist_ may have to go into the hatched area to avoid the door opening zone. How many average cyclists can you persuade to do that? -- Peter Fox Beer, dancing, cycling and lots more at www.eminent.demon.co.uk |
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Cycle lanes a "danger" to drivers.
Simon Mason wrote: Story about how new local cycle lanes are confusing drivers. http://www.swldxer.co.uk/zlanes.jpg -- Simon Mason http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/ I've seen these used in Holland in towns with narrow streets; cars put 2 wheels in the cycle lane when there's oncoming traffic. When they come up behind a bike, they have to follow the bike until the oncoming traffic has cleared. Personnaly I like the system; it slows down traffic to cycle-speed, and emphasises to the motorist that they haev to give priority to the cyclist in the lane. Peter. |
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Cycle lanes a "danger" to drivers.
"Peter Fox" wrote in message ... Doki wrote: IMO the best layout for cycling is a reasonably wide road, with a hatched centre area about 3 foot or so wide (or wider), where the white line normally goes. A driver has the discretion to use that area to pass a cyclist, whilst cyclists don't get abused for not riding in a 2 foot wide lane covered in broken glass. Of course, you are again relying on people knowing the highway code. I've occasionally had passengers question the legality of driving in hatched areas when I've overtaken people. I don't understand the confusion, as the major lines you shouldn't cross are solid white lines... I can't agree with you here. It encourages cyclists (not the feisty well trained ones) to shrink in the kerb even more to let cars past who then try it without going onto the hatches. In effect a very long chicane. Furthermore when cars park (normal and technically nothing wrong) there is quite a small space left on the outside where the _cyclist_ may have to go into the hatched area to avoid the door opening zone. How many average cyclists can you persuade to do that? I don't know. Perhaps it would be better if everyone had some idea of what the rules of the road are. |
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Cycle lanes a "danger" to drivers.
al Mossah wrote:
Simon Mason wrote: Story about how new local cycle lanes are confusing drivers. http://www.swldxer.co.uk/zlanes.jpg -- Simon Mason http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/ I've seen these used in Holland in towns with narrow streets; cars put 2 wheels in the cycle lane when there's oncoming traffic. When they come up behind a bike, they have to follow the bike until the oncoming traffic has cleared. Personnaly I like the system; it slows down traffic to cycle-speed, and emphasises to the motorist that they haev to give priority to the cyclist in the lane. Peter. Agreed . The more that motorists are uncertain the more carefully they will drive. ( eg the funny roundabout designs). When they have been in for a few years it will be interesting to look at accident statistics. Paul -- CTC Right to Ride Rep. for Richmond upon Thames |
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