Divorce Your Car --and get into a relationship with a Bike!

Bill wrote:
$30,000 worth of equipment will make you pretty much independent of
the power grid AND the city water supply.

My sister would love to do it but they already have a crime problem in a
walled community. Too many illegals breaking and entering, even in a
heavily patrolled retirement community. Great idea, but I would put
about a 10,000 volt fence around it and then label it every 5 feet or
so, "Danger, this 10,000 volt fence will kill you if you touch it.",
but only in English. That way the morning cleanup could find the non
English speaking thieves who tried to climb it and steal something.
I know, I am so inhumane.
Sick of illegals, too.
Bill Baka

I would use only one word in German: achtung!

Bill Sornson wrote:
Paul O wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote:
wrote:

I'm in Maryland for the summer but I spend most of the year living
on Hainan Island in the South China Sea. If it its only 100
degrees I'm cool and comfy and still biking.
Where in MD? I grew up in Silver Spring and lived in the DC area
all my life until moving to CA in '82. (Aaack, it's almost 50-50
now!) I don't go back often (no family left), but when I do I'm always
shocked how GREEN it is! LoSoCal is /brown/...

Bill "DC & CA: no wonder I'm goofy" S.



Hmmm, lets see now... 2006 minus 1982, times two... ;-)


You're only as old as you feel!

I'm 93?!? Aaack.


Paul D Oosterhout
(from SAIC)

Know Lenny Caro?




Sorry, I don't know Lenny Caro - SAIC is a big company.

I'm about your (calendar) age and I grew up near Silver Spring (in
Burtonsville). These days I live in Northern Virginia.

Some days I may feel like I'm 93, but I'm convinced that I'm still a
teenager. That fat, wrinkly old man that I see in my bathroom mirror is
some sort cruel hallucination.

Good Luck,
Paul D Oosterhout
(from SAIC)

Paul O wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote:
Paul O wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote:
wrote:

I'm in Maryland for the summer but I spend most of the year living
on Hainan Island in the South China Sea. If it its only 100
degrees I'm cool and comfy and still biking.
Where in MD? I grew up in Silver Spring and lived in the DC area
all my life until moving to CA in '82. (Aaack, it's almost 50-50
now!) I don't go back often (no family left), but when I do I'm
always shocked how GREEN it is! LoSoCal is /brown/...

Bill "DC & CA: no wonder I'm goofy" S.



Hmmm, lets see now... 2006 minus 1982, times two... ;-)


You're only as old as you feel!

I'm 93?!? Aaack.


Paul D Oosterhout
(from SAIC)

Know Lenny Caro?




Sorry, I don't know Lenny Caro - SAIC is a big company.

Lenny was Best Man at BOTH of my weddings. LOL First one back there; second
one out here. (His getting sent to San Diego by SAI -- as it was know back
then? -- is how I ended up out here. Won't bore you...further!)

I'm about your (calendar) age and I grew up near Silver Spring (in
Burtonsville). These days I live in Northern Virginia.

When I was a kid, Burtonsville was "country". Don't even think that 29 went
all the way out there. Changed fast, though. (And getting a driver's
license helped, too!)

Some days I may feel like I'm 93, but I'm convinced that I'm still a
teenager. That fat, wrinkly old man that I see in my bathroom mirror
is some sort cruel hallucination.

No wrinkles here, but the gray in my goatee -- caused SOLELY by chlorine in
my hot tub, dammit -- gives me away.

OK, time's a-wastin' (and so am I), Bill S.

"Pat" wrote in message
oups.com...
I am not justifying cross-posting, but part of the problem is that the
OP cross-posted the latest edition of "bikes are better than cars" to
at least one planning group. Personally, I think it's a boring subject
by city-centered cyclists, but what can you do....


Well, planners are URBAN planners, and have shown for years they hate the
suburbs and ignore the rural areas, except as sources of water and places to
put garbage.

Ouch, but probably right on the money.

The problem with the whole bicycle thing goes well beyond that. They
define "urban" to be such a small area that it isn't funny -- just
places like NYC, Chicago, LA, etc. and NOT places like Buffalo, or
Cleveland, or any other city. So within their very limited confines,
their arguement makes some sense, but outside of those small areas they
fall apart. If you build some sort of rail-to-trail in NYC, it might
make a lot of sense. But in Buffalo it becomes just one for thing you
have to maintain.

I live in a city in NY and it is technically "urban" using the Census
def. I live relatively close to your high school. Still, our high
school is farther away than the entire length of Manhatten.

It is a different world to compare then comparing those high-density
urban areas with the rest of the country.

Actually, I don't mind if people want to ride their bikes to work. In
fact, I have a lot of respect for them. What I mind is when people say
that it is the only way one should commute and they don't take into
account that not all of the world lives as they do.

We have a large state park near us. Sometimes I think that people in
this community are just "local character" to the people from cities who
come to stay in the part for a week. The don't realize that people are
here year-round while they go back their cities.


George Conklin wrote:
"Pat" wrote in message
oups.com...
I am not justifying cross-posting, but part of the problem is that the
OP cross-posted the latest edition of "bikes are better than cars" to
at least one planning group. Personally, I think it's a boring subject
by city-centered cyclists, but what can you do....


Well, planners are URBAN planners, and have shown for years they hate the
suburbs and ignore the rural areas, except as sources of water and places to
put garbage.

"Pat" wrote in message
ups.com...


George Conklin wrote:
"Pat" wrote in message
oups.com...
I am not justifying cross-posting, but part of the problem is that the
OP cross-posted the latest edition of "bikes are better than cars" to
at least one planning group. Personally, I think it's a boring subject
by city-centered cyclists, but what can you do....


Well, planners are URBAN planners, and have shown for years they hate
the
suburbs and ignore the rural areas, except as sources of water and
places to
put garbage.


Ouch, but probably right on the money.

The problem with the whole bicycle thing goes well beyond that. They
define "urban" to be such a small area that it isn't funny -- just
places like NYC, Chicago, LA, etc. and NOT places like Buffalo, or
Cleveland, or any other city. So within their very limited confines,
their arguement makes some sense, but outside of those small areas they
fall apart. If you build some sort of rail-to-trail in NYC, it might
make a lot of sense. But in Buffalo it becomes just one for thing you
have to maintain.

I live in a city in NY and it is technically "urban" using the Census
def. I live relatively close to your high school. Still, our high
school is farther away than the entire length of Manhatten.

It is a different world to compare then comparing those high-density
urban areas with the rest of the country.

Actually, I don't mind if people want to ride their bikes to work. In
fact, I have a lot of respect for them. What I mind is when people say
that it is the only way one should commute and they don't take into
account that not all of the world lives as they do.

We have a large state park near us. Sometimes I think that people in
this community are just "local character" to the people from cities who
come to stay in the part for a week. The don't realize that people are
here year-round while they go back their cities.


True. But even in NYC there is not much bike riding. People want a bus
stop on every corner and object to a 2-block walk to a subway stop. The
city is the home of mass transit, not mass bicycle riders, except maybe in
places like India and China. In Dharwar and New Delhi, we rode bicycles,
but with the family we went on tongas (horse-driven carriages).

"donquijote1954" wrote in message
oups.com...

George Conklin wrote:
"Pat" wrote in message
oups.com...
I am not justifying cross-posting, but part of the problem is that the
OP cross-posted the latest edition of "bikes are better than cars" to
at least one planning group. Personally, I think it's a boring subject
by city-centered cyclists, but what can you do....

Bikes are better than car in some areas and cars in some others. HAVING
CHOICES would be the ideal outcome.

When I hear the word 'choice,' I hear the word HIGH TAXES for .01% of the
population's benefit.

Not so when SIZE MATTERS on our roads. The Law of the Jungle must end
first. The lion is no good at designing facilities for the monkeys, you
know. And bring the monkey to plan bike lanes and other bike
facilities.

Slowing down auto traffic to 15 mph for good bicycle riders, and maybe 7mph
fo the others, would cause society trillions in economic damages.

Just say "oink, oink", George.

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"George Conklin" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Pat" wrote in message
oups.com...
I am not justifying cross-posting, but part of the problem is that the
OP cross-posted the latest edition of "bikes are better than cars" to
at least one planning group. Personally, I think it's a boring subject
by city-centered cyclists, but what can you do....


Well, planners are URBAN planners, and have shown for years they hate
the
suburbs and ignore the rural areas, except as sources of water and places
to
put garbage.

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"George Conklin" wrote in message
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Slowing down auto traffic to 15 mph for good bicycle riders, and maybe
7mph
fo the others, would cause society trillions in economic damages.

Gosh! Portland alone is responsible for the National Deficit. Who'da
thunk.
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PORTLAND, Ore. - Look at any list of bike-friendly cities in the United
States, and it's a good bet Portland is either at the top or in the top
five.

There's no denying Portlanders love their bicycles.

Now, city and business leaders are beginning to work on capitalizing on
Portland's cycling reputation to draw more bike-oriented businesses to the
state.

A recent study indicates that the bike biz in Portland is worth over $60
million, a big enough number to get civic leaders to adopt a resolution
making the bike industry a recognized and targeted part of the economy.
http://www.katu.com/stories/87445.html

George Conklin wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message
oups.com...

George Conklin wrote:
"Pat" wrote in message
oups.com...
I am not justifying cross-posting, but part of the problem is that the
OP cross-posted the latest edition of "bikes are better than cars" to
at least one planning group. Personally, I think it's a boring subject
by city-centered cyclists, but what can you do....

Bikes are better than car in some areas and cars in some others. HAVING
CHOICES would be the ideal outcome.

When I hear the word 'choice,' I hear the word HIGH TAXES for .01% of the
population's benefit.

I could only hope that you are equally upset about nation building in
Iraq --if they ever build one. We could have had more bike lanes than
Holland with that money. And then save the war in the process.


Not so when SIZE MATTERS on our roads. The Law of the Jungle must end
first. The lion is no good at designing facilities for the monkeys, you
know. And bring the monkey to plan bike lanes and other bike
facilities.

Slowing down auto traffic to 15 mph for good bicycle riders, and maybe 7mph
fo the others, would cause society trillions in economic damages.

Well, for one drivers don't have to slow down that much; they just need
to be aware of cyclists (safety comes in numbers) and be off the stupid
phone (which should be banned). Actually more bikes means fewer cars
and thus less traffic jams.

So don't worry about the competition and certainly don't kill it before
it's even born. That would make you look like the Hungry Lion.