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JNugent wrote:
On 09/02/2016 22:03, John Smith wrote: What's needed is someone who has nothing to lose. And a friendly copper who'll provide the name and address of the two cowards. Then let natural justice take its course. You don't understand the meaning of (term of art) "natural justice", do you? I obviously do - as evinced by my words above. -- john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons) 'It never gets any easier. You just get faster' (Greg LeMond (1961 - )) |
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JNugent wrote:
On 10/02/2016 09:59, John Smith wrote: LOL ... and they say car drivers can't argue.. Please... please... don't even THINK of shutting up with your conspiracy theories - they're too entertaining to be curtailed. LOL ... no one expected that response, for sure. -- john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons) 'It never gets any easier. You just get faster' (Greg LeMond (1961 - )) |
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On 10/02/2016 13:50, John Smith wrote:
JNugent wrote: On 09/02/2016 22:03, John Smith wrote: What's needed is someone who has nothing to lose. And a friendly copper who'll provide the name and address of the two cowards. Then let natural justice take its course. You don't understand the meaning of (term of art) "natural justice", do you? I obviously do - as evinced by my words above. I'm not sure you're au fait with "evinced", either. To be clear, "natural justice" is simply shorthand for due process with all parties getting a fair hearing and serious consideration of their evidence and/or case. However, it is frequently misused by people who don't understand its meaning, in whose mouths it becomes a term to describe what they think is some sort of supervening principle to the effect that if they don't like a law or its effects, there has to be a way of ignoring what the law says. |
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On 10/02/2016 15:24, John Smith wrote:
JNugent wrote: On 10/02/2016 09:59, John Smith wrote: LOL ... and they say car drivers can't argue.. Please... please... don't even THINK of shutting up with your conspiracy theories - they're too entertaining to be curtailed. LOL ... no one expected that response, for sure. It was meant. |
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JNugent wrote:
On 10/02/2016 13:50, John Smith wrote: JNugent wrote: On 09/02/2016 22:03, John Smith wrote: What's needed is someone who has nothing to lose. And a friendly copper who'll provide the name and address of the two cowards. Then let natural justice take its course. You don't understand the meaning of (term of art) "natural justice", do you? I obviously do - as evinced by my words above. I'm not sure you're au fait with "evinced", either. *chuckle* That word usually confuses people like you, and I knew that you were going to jump on it, so I made sure to check it before use. 'evince To be an indication or evidence of; to make evident or manifest...' 1777 W. Anderson Jrnl. 11 July in J. Cook Jrnls. (1967) III. ii. 928 Their peacable disposition is sufficiently evinc'd from the friendly reception all strangers have met with. 1802 W. Paley Nat. Theol. xxvi. 561 The contrivances of nature decidedly evince intention. 1811 J. Pinkerton Petralogy I. 597 The presence of..resin, and fibre, are esteemed to evince the original vegetable character. a1866 G. Grote Fragm. Ethical Subj. (1876) iii. 52 Nothing can more clearly evince the preponderance of this view.' (OED Online, accessed 10 February 2016) To be clear, "natural justice" is simply shorthand for due process with all parties getting a fair hearing and serious consideration of their evidence and/or case. Wrong again. 'natural justice Principles, procedures, results, etc., which are instinctively felt to be just and fair, even if not formally enshrined in law..' (OED Online, accessed 10 February 2016) It is 'just and fair' that someone who attempts to cause grievous bodily harm to another or who seeks to murder another, should be punished. It is also 'just and fair' that someone who attempts to aid and abet a person who has tried to cause grievous bodily harm to another or who seeks to murder another in escaping punishment, should be punished. If the state fails in its duty - or for political reasons chooses not to execute its duty - then it is natural justice that the citizens inflict punishment on those who have wronged them. You need to get yourself a subscription to a decent dictionary. I get the OED through the British Open University, but I don't think it's that expensive. Alternatively, go and buy yourself a good dictionary. But do something, because frankly, it's getting a bit embarrassing to see you go charging in with your crackpot definitions of words that are easily shown to be crackpot. -- john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons) 'It never gets any easier. You just get faster' (Greg LeMond (1961 - )) |
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On 10/02/2016 16:19, John Smith wrote:
JNugent wrote: On 10/02/2016 13:50, John Smith wrote: JNugent wrote: On 09/02/2016 22:03, John Smith wrote: What's needed is someone who has nothing to lose. And a friendly copper who'll provide the name and address of the two cowards. Then let natural justice take its course. You don't understand the meaning of (term of art) "natural justice", do you? I obviously do - as evinced by my words above. I'm not sure you're au fait with "evinced", either. *chuckle* That word usually confuses people like you, and I knew that you were going to jump on it, so I made sure to check it before use. 'evince To be an indication or evidence of; to make evident or manifest...' 1777 W. Anderson Jrnl. 11 July in J. Cook Jrnls. (1967) III. ii. 928 Their peacable disposition is sufficiently evinc'd from the friendly reception all strangers have met with. 1802 W. Paley Nat. Theol. xxvi. 561 The contrivances of nature decidedly evince intention. 1811 J. Pinkerton Petralogy I. 597 The presence of..resin, and fibre, are esteemed to evince the original vegetable character. a1866 G. Grote Fragm. Ethical Subj. (1876) iii. 52 Nothing can more clearly evince the preponderance of this view.' (OED Online, accessed 10 February 2016) It is not used in everyday discourse in British English, not even among the educated. To be clear, "natural justice" is simply shorthand for due process with all parties getting a fair hearing and serious consideration of their evidence and/or case. Wrong again. No... YOU are wrong (again). It has the meaning I ascribed to it. Here's an example: http://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2013/06/05/fair-play-in-action-court-of-appeal-considers-the-rules-of-natural-justice/ Here's another: http://www2.le.ac.uk/offices/hr/policies/ordinances/information-for-managers/justice They're a couple of random English applications of the phrase. I can accept that the phrase (as a term of art) may have some other meaning in a foreign jurisdiction. This a UK newsgroup communicating in English. 'natural justice Principles, procedures, results, etc., which are instinctively felt to be just and fair, even if not formally enshrined in law..' (OED Online, accessed 10 February 2016) It is 'just and fair' that someone who attempts to cause grievous bodily harm to another or who seeks to murder another, should be punished. It is also 'just and fair' that someone who attempts to aid and abet a person who has tried to cause grievous bodily harm to another or who seeks to murder another in escaping punishment, should be punished. That's pretty much the chav-defendant definition of "natural justice". |
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JNugent
{ snip } Definitions of 'evinced' and 'natural justice' both taken from authoritative sources. Nugent loses another one. Next! -- john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons) 'It never gets any easier. You just get faster' (Greg LeMond (1961 - )) |
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On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 09:43:47 -0800 (PST), Alycidon wrote:
On Sunday, 7 February 2016 07:57:16 UTC, Tom Crispin wrote: On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 6:40:34 AM UTC, Alycidon wrote: On Saturday, 6 February 2016 23:37:40 UTC, Tom Crispin wrote: It seems that the prosecution, in this case, have successfully proved that the registered keeper is refusing to give details of the driver. That is why he has been fined and given six points. Exactly. Insufficient for the crime he, or someone he is protecting, committed. Not over at all, yet. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-35516450 What do you mean not over at all - are the police taking further unknown action - or have they issued a statement. Oh yes - here it is: In a statement, Nottinghamshire Police said: "While we share the victim's disappointment at the outcome, we feel the investigating police officer made every effort to ensure that the occupants of the car were found and brought before the courts." Oh - I see you mean not over in terms of people have a wankcry ================================================== ============ The cyclist, known as Reginald Scot, said he had received thousands of messages from around the world. "The response has been massive and I've had literally thousands of messages from America, Australia, Asia and Europe. ================================================== ============ |
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On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 01:25:13 -0800 (PST), Tom Crispin wrote:
snip By the way, the collective noun for cyclists is "peloton" not "pack". Indeed: OED: Peloton: Noun: a rabble of psycholists and suicyclists who think they are above the law. |
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On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 09:02:13 -0800 (PST), Alycidon wrote:
On Monday, 8 February 2016 16:54:42 UTC, Tom Crispin wrote: What about motorists? A fume of motorists? Someone mention me? I didn't see the word : Numbnuts |
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