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Old May 30th 20, 01:38 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT), Mike A Schwab
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On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 11:07:52 PM UTC, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Have any of you been on a ride where you've bonked to the point that every single pedal stroke no matter how low a gear you're in or how calm the winds are, feels like it's all you can do to get that crankarm past the 12 0'clock position?

If so, how long did it take you to recover so that you were able to ride at your normal pace again?

If you ate soon after bonking, how long did it take you to then recover enough to ride further?

Cheers


One way to avoid this is to kick start your fat metabolism. Consume dietary Ketones to get your fat / ketone metabolism going. Then when your body runs out of carbs, it will start burning fat instead of boinking or falling into Diabetic Ketoacidosis (which can be fatal). Supplements are best (ketone salts) but taste awful. 2nd best is Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCT) which have little taste, and is made from Coconut Oil. 3rd best is Coconut Oil, which is 2/3s MCTs. Here is an MD using MCT with elderly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGFUPSdATuw

Well yes, except that conversion from triglyceride to glucose is a
much slower process than glycogen to glucose.



Long term, once the fat metabolism is going, is to adopt the ketogenic diet, except for high demand events. I follow the wheat belly diet.



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Old May 30th 20, 02:12 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 09:18:24 -0700, cyclintom wrote:

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 4:57:43 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2020 08:29:40 -0700, cyclintom wrote:

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 11:58:21 PM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 27.05.2020 um 08:34 schrieb news18:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 22:04:52 -0700,
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 7:59:55 PM UTC-5, news18 wrote:

Just ask a diabetic. Hint, the condition of diabetes isn't just
a switch. it appearts to be a gradual slide into the condition
and the type is determined by the speed of response, if any to
blood glucose levels. Type 1 & 2 are just another division to
classify the remaining level of response. Some, older,
experienced endocrynologist often talk about five or more
types/classification based on observation of patients

No. Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes are both called diabetes. But
they are not really related. Type 1 is a non functioning of the
pancreas producing the hormone insulin. Type 2 is the body not
using the insulin produced correctly. Both can end up with the
same affect.

Are you saying that they are caused by two entirely different sets
of genes? An anonymous reader quotes a report from the BBC:

Uber is destroying thousands of electric bikes and scooters, after
selling its Jump business to Lime. Videos of its red bikes being crushed
at a recycling centre were shared on social media, angering cycling
advocates. Uber said it had decided to destroy thousands of its older-
model vehicles due to maintenance, liability and safety concerns.


Type 1 is a genetic defect with typical onset in teenage years.
Type 2 diabetes is more a lifestyle or nutrition-related "old-age"
effect with typical onset in An anonymous reader quotes a report

from the BBC:
Uber is destroying thousands of electric bikes and scooters, after
selling its Jump business to Lime. Videos of its red bikes being crushed
at a recycling centre were shared on social media, angering cycling
advocates. Uber said it had decided to destroy thousands of its older-
model vehicles due to maintenance, liability and safety concerns.
the 40's, only recent wide-spread
obesity has brought type 2 diabetes with early onset.

More often type 2 onset is with overweight 50 year olds. My
sister-in-law is a nurse who develops programs for diabetics and it
is quite surprising how many of them will not stick to their program
and die.


Perhaps your sister isn't credible. Not a dietician is she?
Over here their credibility is nil. The fact that their annual
conference is heavily sponsored by the sugar industry goes down a
treat.
They have also been guilty about jumping onto a few fadish diets.
Just like the quacks, these ancillary medical personnel have been
guilty of "killing people" with their "prescriptions".

Sadly, a lot of diet problems can stem from the fads in what children
are taught in school, where healthy diet components come and go.
Learning at home has always had its problems and doesn't do basic food
well.


She is a registered nurse and dietician that runs a federally funded
program and not a sugar producer ****** like you aussies seem to think
of anything free market.


Means SFA. So she has no street cred and follows the current political
health propaganda. Funny how you can spend all your efforts dismissing
scientists and suddenly clim their information is solid. It wouldn't be
because she has genes in common would it.
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Old May 30th 20, 03:18 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tue, 26 May 2020 21:43:17 -0700 (PDT), "
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Its called getting tired. Your muscles get tired from use. And when you stop you get rest. And maybe, possibly, you drink something and get rehydrated. But your BLOOPD SUGAR, the amount of glucose in your blood stream, remains very stable. Your endocrine system, specifically your pancreas, keeps your blood sugar very stable. It has to do that to allow your body to work properly. Remember your heart and lungs are muscles and are always working. They need a constant source of energy to function correctly. And all the rest of the cells in your body need a continuous, constant amount of sugar/energy to operate correctly. Your body, and all animal bodies, is very good at this task. All animal bodies keep blood sugars constant. Or else the animal dies.


Mammal bodies are even better at maintaining a constant temperature.

Therefore, nobody has ever died of falling into ice water.

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Old May 30th 20, 04:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 4:18:37 AM UTC+2, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2020 21:43:17 -0700 (PDT), "
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Its called getting tired. Your muscles get tired from use. And when you stop you get rest. And maybe, possibly, you drink something and get rehydrated. But your BLOOPD SUGAR, the amount of glucose in your blood stream, remains very stable. Your endocrine system, specifically your pancreas, keeps your blood sugar very stable. It has to do that to allow your body to work properly. Remember your heart and lungs are muscles and are always working. They need a constant source of energy to function correctly. And all the rest of the cells in your body need a continuous, constant amount of sugar/energy to operate correctly. Your body, and all animal bodies, is very good at this task. All animal bodies keep blood sugars constant. Or else the animal dies.


Mammal bodies are even better at maintaining a constant temperature.

Therefore, nobody has ever died of falling into ice water.

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Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net


Yes and fever doesn't exist either.

Lou
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Old May 30th 20, 06:23 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 4:47:13 PM UTC-7, Mike A Schwab wrote:
On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 11:07:52 PM UTC, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Have any of you been on a ride where you've bonked to the point that every single pedal stroke no matter how low a gear you're in or how calm the winds are, feels like it's all you can do to get that crankarm past the 12 0'clock position?

If so, how long did it take you to recover so that you were able to ride at your normal pace again?

If you ate soon after bonking, how long did it take you to then recover enough to ride further?

Cheers


One way to avoid this is to kick start your fat metabolism. Consume dietary Ketones to get your fat / ketone metabolism going. Then when your body runs out of carbs, it will start burning fat instead of boinking or falling into Diabetic Ketoacidosis (which can be fatal). Supplements are best (ketone salts) but taste awful. 2nd best is Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCT) which have little taste, and is made from Coconut Oil. 3rd best is Coconut Oil, which is 2/3s MCTs. Here is an MD using MCT with elderly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGFUPSdATuw



Long term, once the fat metabolism is going, is to adopt the ketogenic diet, except for high demand events. I follow the wheat belly diet.


This doesn't work well because fats convert to blood glycogen very slowly. So what has to happen is that you have to ride very slowly after the glycogen in your muscles and bloodstream are consumed. This is why knowing your full time power is important. You have to ride significantly below that for a long ride to keep from depleting your stores. IE, you have carbs in your stomach that are replacing glycogen in your bloodstream while you are using blood glycogen.

Also - when you drink ketones they go into your bloodstream very rapidly and are hence consumed rapidly but because they enter your muscles so rapidly it is easy to misjudge your power output as you having a good day.

There is a thing called MCT oil that does more or less the same thing but enters your bloodstream more slowly and over a longer period of time.

But why pay money that you don't need to do when a powerbar eaten at the right time and controlling your power output achieves the same thing?
 




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