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Portland's Bridge Pedal Debacle
"Lobby Dosser" wrote [snip] [Restricted Access Interstate Highways (a) It has been found and determined that the health, safety and welfare of the public require that the use of all Interstate highways in the [snip] (c) The use of the aforesaid Interstate Highways by the following classes of traffic is prohibited unless permission therefor has been obtained in advance from the Commissioner for the classes of traffic identified in (c)3 or (c)6 below: 1. Pedestrians; 2. Animals led, ridden or driven; 3. Bicycles;] And I have a permit to ride my bike on the interstates of New Jersey, although I seem to have mislaid it at the moment. Since I am three thousand miles from New Jersey at the moment, in London England, I won't expend much effort in searching for it right now. I got the permit about a quarter of a century ago, I think, but it's good for life. Jeremy Parker |
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Portland's Bridge Pedal Debacle
"Don Homuth" dhomuthoneatcomcast.net wrote in message ... On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:11:18 GMT, Arif Khokar wrote: Lobby Dosser wrote: On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:38:13 GMT, Arif Khokar wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: And as for the rest, I notice you are ignoring the federal law prohibiting bicycles on interstates. Could you cite this law, because I'm quite sure that cyclists are allowed to ride on interstates in some locations where a suitable alternative route doesn't exist. I205. Non-motorized vehicles prohibited north of West Linn exit. That's a state law, not a federal law. In any case, I know many (most?) states have laws that prohibit certain classes of vehicles from interstates and other limited access highways. The fact that some states allow bicycles on interstates would seem to indicate that there is no federal law regarding the operation of bicycles on interstates. The traffic laws pertaining to Interstates are, by and large, under State control -- not federal. That is an extreme simplification of a complex issue. Interstate highways are required (at least new construction - I'll get to that in a minute) to follow standards set by AASHTO. The federal government enforces this by threatening to withhold federal highway funds if a state does not pass laws that they want. (ie: speed limit laws, seatbelt, etc.) The AASHTO guidelines are designed to MAXIMIZE TRAFFIC THROUGHPUT. On Interstates that have broad shoulders, a bicyclist does not present an impediment to traffic. But many Interstates in downtown areas (such as I-5 in Portland) do NOT have adequate shoulders. The state law dictates that a bicyclist must take the traffic lane when a shoulder or sidewalk isn't available. This would put usage of the Interstate in direct conflict with the whole point of the AASHTO guidelines. Thus the federal government has dictated to the states that in these cases, they are to ban non-motorized vehicle traffic on the Interstate, or risk losing highway funds. This is also why state laws requiring bike lanes are not applied to Interstates - the Feds wouldn't allow it. That is also why some states do not disallow non-motorized vehicles - because the Interstates in them are young, meet all AASHTO guidelines (including those dictating a wide shoulder) and bicycle traffic would not conflict. Arizona is one of these states. More discussion on this can be found he http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-mot...ss_on_freeways Anyway, sorry I cannot point to a specific law you bikers can write to your congresscritter to get revoked or use as the martyers law on your flags. You need to understand a great many federal regulations these days are done via proxy- the feds want something so they "suggest" to the states it would be a good idea for the state to make a law about it, and if the state refuses the feds will make it very uncomfortable for the state. Ted |
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Portland's Bridge Pedal Debacle
Wikipedia, the Whore Book Encyclopeda.
Rewritten and coddled by Congressional figures and the CIA, Mickey D's and all of corporate America. The National Enquirer of all time. It's like your lousy alcoholic uncle who claims to have it together but he got a 22 years pregnant with twins and they found the pills he was going to kill himself with. |
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Portland's Bridge Pedal Debacle
Bjorn Berg f/Fergie Berg and All the Ships at S wrote:
Wikipedia, the Whore Book Encyclopeda. Rewritten and coddled by Congressional figures and the CIA, Mickey D's and all of corporate America. The National Enquirer of all time. It's like your lousy alcoholic uncle who claims to have it together but he got a 22 years pregnant with twins and they found the pills he was going to kill himself with. Got her number? |
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Portland's Bridge Pedal Debacle
Bill Sornson wrote:
Bjorn Berg f/Fergie Berg and All the Ships at S wrote: Wikipedia, the Whore Book Encyclopeda. Rewritten and coddled by Congressional figures and the CIA, Mickey D's and all of corporate America. The National Enquirer of all time. It's like your lousy alcoholic uncle who claims to have it together but he got a 22 years pregnant with twins and they found the pills he was going to kill himself with. Got her number? Desperate? -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Portland's Bridge Pedal Debacle
Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote: Bjorn Berg f/Fergie Berg and All the Ships at S wrote: Wikipedia, the Whore Book Encyclopeda. Rewritten and coddled by Congressional figures and the CIA, Mickey D's and all of corporate America. The National Enquirer of all time. It's like your lousy alcoholic uncle who claims to have it together but he got a 22 years pregnant with twins and they found the pills he was going to kill himself with. Got her number? Desperate? I've been arguing with you, haven't I? |
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Portland's Bridge Pedal Debacle
"Jeremy Parker" wrote:
"Lobby Dosser" wrote [snip] [Restricted Access Interstate Highways (a) It has been found and determined that the health, safety and welfare of the public require that the use of all Interstate highways in the [snip] (c) The use of the aforesaid Interstate Highways by the following classes of traffic is prohibited unless permission therefor has been obtained in advance from the Commissioner for the classes of traffic identified in (c)3 or (c)6 below: 1. Pedestrians; 2. Animals led, ridden or driven; 3. Bicycles;] And I have a permit to ride my bike on the interstates of New Jersey, although I seem to have mislaid it at the moment. Since I am three thousand miles from New Jersey at the moment, in London England, I won't expend much effort in searching for it right now. I got the permit about a quarter of a century ago, I think, but it's good for life. Jeremy Parker I'd rather not even Drive in NJ, never mind cycling! |
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On Aug 19, 11:45 am, "Jeremy Parker"
wrote: "Lobby Dosser" wrote [snip] [Restricted Access Interstate Highways (a) It has been found and determined that the health, safety and welfare of the public require that the use of all Interstate highways in the [snip] (c) The use of the aforesaid Interstate Highways by the following classes of traffic is prohibited unless permission therefor has been obtained in advance from the Commissioner for the classes of traffic identified in (c)3 or (c)6 below: 1. Pedestrians; 2. Animals led, ridden or driven; 3. Bicycles;] And I have a permit to ride my bike on the interstates of New Jersey, although I seem to have mislaid it at the moment. Since I am three thousand miles from New Jersey at the moment, in London England, I won't expend much effort in searching for it right now. I got the permit about a quarter of a century ago, I think, but it's good for life. Jeremy Parker hard to get a bus to Jersey |
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On Aug 21, 9:46 pm, Lobby Dosser
wrote: "Jeremy Parker" wrote: "Lobby Dosser" wrote [snip] [Restricted Access Interstate Highways (a) It has been found and determined that the health, safety and welfare of the public require that the use of all Interstate highways in the [snip] (c) The use of the aforesaid Interstate Highways by the following classes of traffic is prohibited unless permission therefor has been obtained in advance from the Commissioner for the classes of traffic identified in (c)3 or (c)6 below: 1. Pedestrians; 2. Animals led, ridden or driven; 3. Bicycles;] And I have a permit to ride my bike on the interstates of New Jersey, although I seem to have mislaid it at the moment. Since I am three thousand miles from New Jersey at the moment, in London England, I won't expend much effort in searching for it right now. I got the permit about a quarter of a century ago, I think, but it's good for life. Jeremy Parker I'd rather not even Drive in NJ, never mind cycling! Too many escaped jungle animals, especially lions chasing giraffes outside Passaic. |
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