Kerry on the phone with Kunich

"Howard Kveck" wrote in message
...
In article et,
"Tom Kunich" wrote:

Howard ALWAYS goes at a problem by assuming that everyone else is wrong
and
he is right.

Now THAT's interesting, indeed. When I read something that someone has
written that doesn't jibe with my experience or knowledge of the subject
at
hand, I will try to DISCUSS it with that person. You know, an exchange of
ideas, etc. You seem to start off with the name calling, "you have nothing
to say", "no brains", "idiot", "aberrant thinking", blah blah blah.
Honestly, Tom, you seem to have a great resentment of anyone who dares
challenge your (imagined) supremacy in any and all areas of interest.

Do you mean like your posting "In the long run, I think the Bush admin. has
done more to help North Korea become a viable nuclear power"? The fact is
that North Korea NEVER for a second intended to keep any agreements with the
Clinton Administration and didn't. You claim that "the Clinton people knew
that going in, and figured it was better to deal with them ourselves and
have some kind of access (at some level) to being able to have an idea what
was going on in NK" is so far out in left field that NOT making fun of you
for such a stupid statement would be stupid itself.

Clinton's people couldn't detect that the NK's were working on weapons from
the very first second and that they were given the technology to pursue it
from Clinton.

Statements such as your horrifically ignorant one about Bush somehow doing
the wrong thing by calling North Korea on it demonstrates just the sort of
bigot you are.

Tom Kunich wrote:

Statements such as your horrifically ignorant one about Bush somehow doing
the wrong thing by calling North Korea on it demonstrates just the sort of
bigot you are.

Ignorance surely is no better presented than in this pearl from July:

*Kunich here commenting on hills in Crawford TX:

"My very first long airplane flight came into El Paso and there was a
range of hills outside of town that had a downdraft so powerful that our
707 came damned close to dropping out of the sky."

(El Paso, for the uninitiated is 650 west of Crawford. May I now describe
Salina KS by referencing Breckenridge CO?)

*Kunich continued:

"It was actually a pretty funny deal. We lost 12,000 feet of altitude in
about 3 or 4 seconds. There was a Nun walking down the aisle when we hit
the air pocket and she was carrying a rosary. As she went airborn and hit
the ceiling she screamed "JESUS CHRIST" and flung the rosary away from
her, I suppose in order to use her hands to grab something. The beads
scattered all over the cabin as the rosary came apart."

*Holden Caufield then had to inform Tom:

"12,000 feet in 3 or 4 seconds ? The plane would have disintegrated at
that rate, let alone recovery from the dive would have been impossible.
The airplane descended to about 5,000 feet in 63 seconds before the
flightcrew regained control. That would be 34,00 0ft in 63 seconds (539
ft/sec) you state 12,000 in 4 seconds ( 3,000 ft sec)"

Howard Kveck wrote in message ...
In article t,
"Tom Kunich" wrote:

Statements such as your horrifically ignorant one about Bush somehow doing
the wrong thing by calling North Korea on it demonstrates just the sort of
bigot you are.

So Bush "called them on it". He then proceeded to do nothing but posture
like a tough guy on it.

Your opinion.

The attempt to have China do the grunt work on this is amazing. Why
would they expect China to do anything that would be in our strategic
interest in that region?

In case you missed it, it isn't in China's interest to have a nuclear
power on her southern border within a cheap missle attack from
Beijing.

As for me being "a bigot" when it comes to Bush, well, duh.

No surprises there.

In article ,
(Tom Kunich) wrote:

Howard Kveck wrote in message
...
In article t,
"Tom Kunich" wrote:

Statements such as your horrifically ignorant one about Bush somehow
doing
the wrong thing by calling North Korea on it demonstrates just the sort
of
bigot you are.

So Bush "called them on it". He then proceeded to do nothing but posture
like a tough guy on it.

Your opinion.

Word. But, on the face of it, what else would you call what Commander
Codpiece did? They made a bunch of *unilateral* demands, loudly and
publicly, then, weeks or months later, backed away from those demands, only
to issue a new set. Lather, rinse, repeat. It went nowhere, except back to
where it had been when he took office.

The attempt to have China do the grunt work on this is amazing. Why
would they expect China to do anything that would be in our strategic
interest in that region?

In case you missed it, it isn't in China's interest to have a nuclear
power on her southern border within a cheap missle attack from
Beijing.

North Korea under Kim Jong Il is a nearly uncontrollable nation. But who
do you suppose exerts a greater influence on NK, the US, or China? Would it
surprise you to find that China was willing to accept that risk in order to
use NK as a surrogate to add to Beijing's influence in the region?

As for me being "a bigot" when it comes to Bush, well, duh.

No surprises there.

I'm honest about that, Tom. But what you have failed to note is that I
will criticize either party for stupidity, crookedness, whatever; that's
far more than you can say. You'll hammer away at someone not on the Tom's
Approved List of Politicos, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that
the point you're hammering on is incorrect.

By the way, regarding this line of yours:
"Howard ALWAYS goes at a problem by assuming that everyone else is wrong
and he is right."
If you go through the various discussions in here, you'll see that I can
have civil discourse with any number of people whose opinions and POVs are
wildly different than mine. Bill Crowther or Ron Sonic come to mind. No one
gets called "idiotic", "stupid" etc, etc, etc. Those are *your* words,
quite commonly found in your posts. So who do really think is the one who
believes "everyone else is wrong and he is right"? It's really quite
incredulous to me that you can write that and not see how it applies to you.

--
tanx,
Howard

"It looks like the squirrel's been showing everybody
where he keeps his nuts."

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

"Clovis Lark" wrote in message
...
Tom Kunich wrote:

Statements such as your horrifically ignorant one about Bush somehow
doing
the wrong thing by calling North Korea on it demonstrates just the sort
of
bigot you are.

Ignorance surely is no better presented than in this pearl from July:

*Kunich here commenting on hills in Crawford TX:

You must have a hard time with no friends.

"Howard Kveck" wrote in message
...

Word. But, on the face of it, what else would you call what Commander
Codpiece did?

Maybe he should have acted like your hero Kofi Anan and just taken bribes.

In case you missed it, it isn't in China's interest to have a nuclear
power on her southern border within a cheap missle attack from
Beijing.

North Korea under Kim Jong Il is a nearly uncontrollable nation. But who
do you suppose exerts a greater influence on NK, the US, or China? Would
it
surprise you to find that China was willing to accept that risk in order
to
use NK as a surrogate to add to Beijing's influence in the region?

Wow, would it be a surprise to you to find out that most of the industrial
goods in North Korea come from China? If there's one thing we'd ALL be
surprised at, it would be finding out that China could INCREASE her
influence in North Korea. Like every other country is so high on their list.

Do you just write to see the words on the page or are you trying the monkeys
with typewriters and Shakespeare theory?

I'm honest about that, Tom. But what you have failed to note is that I
will criticize either party for stupidity, crookedness, whatever; that's
far more than you can say.

Kwack, you'll criticize anyone, I'd agree, but it has nothing to do with
thier performances and everything to do with your ego.

In article et,
"Tom Kunich" wrote:

"Howard Kveck" wrote in message
...

Word. But, on the face of it, what else would you call what Commander
Codpiece did?

Maybe he should have acted like your hero Kofi Anan and just taken bribes.

My hero? Hmmph. Anyway: perhaps he ought to have, you know, negotiated
with 'em? At some level or other? It might have done some good - certainly
would have been more useful than letting them continue their R&D. Instead,
he let them continue working on the stuff, and ended up trying to bribe
*them*.

In case you missed it, it isn't in China's interest to have a nuclear
power on her southern border within a cheap missle attack from
Beijing.

North Korea under Kim Jong Il is a nearly uncontrollable nation. But who
do you suppose exerts a greater influence on NK, the US, or China? Would
it surprise you to find that China was willing to accept that risk in order
to use NK as a surrogate to add to Beijing's influence in the region?

Wow, would it be a surprise to you to find out that most of the industrial
goods in North Korea come from China? If there's one thing we'd ALL be
surprised at, it would be finding out that China could INCREASE her
influence in North Korea. Like every other country is so high on their list.

Boy. did you ever miss the point there. I'm talking about China being
willing to accept the risk of having a (as you put it) "nuclear power on
her southern border within a cheap missle attack from Beijing" in order to
increase China's strength and influence on the ****ENTIRE**** region - not
just North Korea. You know, having a small, unstable country like NK, armed
with missiles that could eradicate Seoul, Tokyo, etc, but with Beijing
ostensibly keeping them "in check."

I'm honest about that, Tom. But what you have failed to note is that I
will criticize either party for stupidity, crookedness, whatever; that's
far more than you can say.

Kwack, you'll criticize anyone, I'd agree, but it has nothing to do with
thier performances and everything to do with your ego.

Geepers, Tom, you tried to make fun of my name. How droll. Having been
on the recieving end of that more than a few times yourself, I suppose that
would be expected.

--
tanx,
Howard

"It looks like the squirrel's been showing everybody
where he keeps his nuts."

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Tom Kunich wrote:
"Clovis Lark" wrote in message
...
Tom Kunich wrote:

Statements such as your horrifically ignorant one about Bush somehow
doing
the wrong thing by calling North Korea on it demonstrates just the sort
of
bigot you are.

Ignorance surely is no better presented than in this pearl from July:

*Kunich here commenting on hills in Crawford TX:

You must have a hard time with no friends.

I'll tell them you said they amounted to nothing....


Back to the mountains of Crawford...

*Kunich here commenting on hills in Crawford TX:

"My very first long airplane flight came into El Paso and there was a
range of hills outside of town that had a downdraft so powerful that our
707 came damned close to dropping out of the sky."

(El Paso, for the uninitiated is 650 west of Crawford. May I now describe
Salina KS by referencing Breckenridge CO?)

*Kunich continued:

"It was actually a pretty funny deal. We lost 12,000 feet of altitude in
about 3 or 4 seconds. There was a Nun walking down the aisle when we hit
the air pocket and she was carrying a rosary. As she went airborn and hit
the ceiling she screamed "JESUS CHRIST" and flung the rosary away from
her, I suppose in order to use her hands to grab something. The beads
scattered all over the cabin as the rosary came apart."

*Holden Caufield then had to inform Tom:

"12,000 feet in 3 or 4 seconds ? The plane would have disintegrated at
that rate, let alone recovery from the dive would have been impossible.
The airplane descended to about 5,000 feet in 63 seconds before the
flightcrew regained control. That would be 34,00 0ft in 63 seconds (539
ft/sec) you state 12,000 in 4 seconds ( 3,000 ft sec)"