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Robert Chung wrote: Carl Sundquist wrote: "MortDubois" wrote in message The only "interesting" tactic to increase the 81 mph record was doing it at altitude - just like all those guys who do their hour record in Mexico City or Colorado. Real men do it near sea level. How high does one have to be to make such a record attempt (and I'm not really talking about altitude)? Do you mean "how high off the ground" or something? |
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Curtis L. Russell wrote in message
It's funny seeing all these RBR regulars still being wingnuts about the recumbent question. Actually the replies were probably the most balanced and non-wingnut posted, from either side. I'd say the 'bent side has posted here in a balanced way for years now. Yet nearly all the bent-bashers in this thread posted with hilarious ignorance. So the balance is still way lopsided despite the easy info disproving the other side easily available many places online. --JP |
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Jeff Potter wrote:
It's funny seeing all these RBR regulars still being wingnuts about the recumbent question. They're race-legal in the USCF if under 2 meters for both TT and mass start with official's OK (and the 2m rule is eased sometimes). Nope, not any more. New this year is USCF rule 1J1(f): "Bicycles commonly known as recumbent may not be raced in USCF races unless there is a seperate race for this category of bicycle, and then may be used only in that category." http://www.usacycling.org/rulebooks/...f_rulebook.pdf Mark McMaster |
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Jeff Potter wrote:
"Bicycles commonly known as recumbent may not be raced in USCF races unless there is a seperate race for this category of bicycle, and then may be used only in that category." http://www.usacycling.org/rulebooks/...f_rulebook.pdf Mark McMaster WOW! Well, that's news. I'm not in on HPV org's but I woulda thought there'd be huge noise about this one. I wonder how or why it happened. Didn't a 'bent win a USCF Masters age-group TT last year? Maybe it's Faure all over again! Bummer. 'Benters had been working with officials more and more for past 10 years, gaining acceptance, proving themselves worthy at every turn. No downsides reported. Man, I wonder what happened. Success? USAC is trying to bring their rules into compliance with UCI rules. There are other rule changes that are being phased in as well. The rulebook summarizes these, McMaster gave you the link. No conspiracy. Other than the usual UCI Upright Black Helicopter Conspiracy, that is. |
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Benjamin Weiner wrote in message news:40d32ff7$1@darkstar...
[ ] USAC is trying to bring their rules into compliance with UCI rules. There are other rule changes that are being phased in as well. The rulebook summarizes these, McMaster gave you the link. No conspiracy. Other than the usual UCI Upright Black Helicopter Conspiracy, that is. Ah, and no public input or affected party input apparently either, eh? It's great that a democratic group is following a top-down one so closely, eh? Lovely. Responsive. --JP |
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Same starts for separate cats? [ Recumbents & Speed?]
Mark McMaster wrote in message ...
Jeff Potter wrote: [ ] They're race-legal in the USCF if under 2 meters for both TT and mass start with official's OK (and the 2m rule is eased sometimes). Nope, not any more. New this year is USCF rule 1J1(f): "Bicycles commonly known as recumbent may not be raced in USCF races unless there is a seperate race for this category of bicycle, and then may be used only in that category." http://www.usacycling.org/rulebooks/...f_rulebook.pdf OK, they now have to be in separate cats. Now I've seen small fields merged into the same start, race, field. I'm not sure how prizes are handled then. Would officials be allowed to do this with 'bents? Say a 'bent shows up and the official wants to let him in. He's not going to get a separate race/start, etc., probably. A field of one? But maybe he'd be started with the Women/Vets/Jrs/Cat5s and whatever other group of cats is being started and raced together. If there's one Cat 4 at a race and the official decides to start him with some other cat can he contend for prize? Say, if he's allowed into the Cat 3 field. Anyway, it seems like cats are different critters from fields, starts and prizes. Any pattern for handling this stuff? How would this relate to 'bents? --JP |
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Curtis L. Russell wrote in message . ..
[ ] Again, IMO this is all irrelevant to recumbents. A recumbent is not permitted now in a USCF race, just in a separate race in a USCF race session. You can put them on the flyer and add them to the permit, but they won't be legal to mix. You can't have an illegal bike and racer mixed in a legal USCF race. [ ] I don't necessarily get "illegal" from the new rule. And it does seem possibly close to "new category" wording. It's close to "illegal" wording and not close to "new cat" but it's not that explicit either way. Again: "Bicycles commonly known as recumbent may not be raced in USCF races unless there is a seperate race for this category of bicycle, and then may be used only in that category." --JP |
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Same starts for separate cats? [ Recumbents & Speed?]
In article , Jeff
Potter wrote: Curtis L. Russell wrote in message . .. [ ] Again, IMO this is all irrelevant to recumbents. A recumbent is not permitted now in a USCF race, just in a separate race in a USCF race session. You can put them on the flyer and add them to the permit, but they won't be legal to mix. You can't have an illegal bike and racer mixed in a legal USCF race. [ ] I don't necessarily get "illegal" from the new rule. And it does seem possibly close to "new category" wording. It's close to "illegal" wording and not close to "new cat" but it's not that explicit either way. Again: "Bicycles commonly known as recumbent may not be raced in USCF races unless there is a seperate race for this category of bicycle, and then may be used only in that category." I think the wording does make it clear that recumbents and USCF legal bikes should not be mixed together. THe rule states that recumbents can't be raced unless ther eis a seperate race for them. This would exclude starting recumbents and USCF legal bikes at the same time. If nothing else I think you need to look at the intent of the USCF board when this rule was passed and I think the intent is that for safety reasons the USCF Board does not want rrecumbents and USCF legal bikes racing together in the same group. |
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