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Sandy wrote: Simon Brooke a écrit : in message . com, ') wrote: Race is a factor in the "New World" in a way that it isn't in Europe because Europe is still so homogeneous. You want to start seeing some uncomfortable race issues, look at South American soap operas then look at the people on the streets there. Europeans have the luxury of having a different attitude about race because it is someting they just don't have to deal with. Which planet was it that you said you lived on? He said it with the monochromatic bliss that comes from not living in France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Spain, Portugal or Holland. Maybe even the outer reaches of your island kingdom. I've lived in Paris and Switzerland and spent a fair amount of time in Italy, Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Poland. I live in Norway. I also grew up in NYC, went to school in Chicago, and lived in Los Angeles. However my observations may be colored, it is not from lack of observation. Joseph OK - not colored, if you insist. Just plain wrong about the panoply of colors on the Old Continent. |
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Simon Brooke wrote: in message om, ') wrote: Simon Brooke wrote: in message . com, ') wrote: Race is a factor in the "New World" in a way that it isn't in Europe because Europe is still so homogeneous. You want to start seeing some uncomfortable race issues, look at South American soap operas then look at the people on the streets there. Europeans have the luxury of having a different attitude about race because it is someting they just don't have to deal with. Which planet was it that you said you lived on? ;-) There is no doubt that European countries have much more homgeneous populations than the US. Most European people in their daily lives have much less oppurtunity to interact with people of different races that people in the US. Less interaction, less conflict, less thought about the issue. 8% of the population of Great Britain are of afro-carribean or south asian ethnicity, vs 12.3% of the US population. It's fewer, but it isn't an order of magnitude fewer. Admittedly, they're highly concentrated in London, Birmingham and a few other English industrial cities, but then the black population of the US is also highly concentrated. I'm not talking just white and black! 81% of the US is "white" vs 92% in the UK. And white has I'm sure a wider definition in the US than in the UK. The UK is one of the European countries with the highest number of non-white people. The US has at least twice as many non-white people (percentage-wise) as Europe. This is a big difference. I'm not saying everyone in Europe is a bigot or that the US has "figured out" race relations. I'm just saying that race relations is more of an abstract issue for most Europeans than it is for Americans. If you say so, brother. I'm glad to see you agree ;-) Joseph |
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Robert Chung wrote: wrote: I live in Norway. Norway is supposed to be the poster child for how a welfare state should work right? Sez who? I see it being referred to always in the UN lists of "best country to live in" and things like that. As well as often seeing reference to the "scandinavian model" for functioning socialistic govenments, etc. I don't agree at all, and I am glad to see you do not seem to either. Joseph |
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Sandy wrote: a écrit : Sandy wrote: Simon Brooke a écrit : in message . com, ') wrote: Race is a factor in the "New World" in a way that it isn't in Europe because Europe is still so homogeneous. You want to start seeing some uncomfortable race issues, look at South American soap operas then look at the people on the streets there. Europeans have the luxury of having a different attitude about race because it is someting they just don't have to deal with. Which planet was it that you said you lived on? He said it with the monochromatic bliss that comes from not living in France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Spain, Portugal or Holland. Maybe even the outer reaches of your island kingdom. I've lived in Paris and Switzerland and spent a fair amount of time in Italy, Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Poland. I live in Norway. I also grew up in NYC, went to school in Chicago, and lived in Los Angeles. However my observations may be colored, it is not from lack of observation. Joseph OK - not colored, if you insist. Just plain wrong about the panoply of colors on the Old Continent. Wrong perhaps, but maybe it is just a question of degree to which we disagree. I do not mean to imply that Europe has no panoply of colors, just that this panopoly is not as extensive as in the US, and thus most people's relationship to this panopoly is not the same in both places. Joseph |
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in 523700 20060818 135918 Sandy wrote:
Simon Brooke a écrit : in message .com, ') wrote: entire field of income and mobility focuses on "what keeps the poor down" and there are many, many books and journals available at your nearest university library. I live in the sticks! No "lie-berries" here! I live in the sticks (population density 0.25 persons/hectare = 65 persons per square mile). I have two libraries within eight miles, three within twelve miles, five within twenty-one miles. All free. But then, of course, I'm in Europe. And nearest dentist overseas ? I have 10 dental practises within 1 mile - the problem is that none of them work for the NHS. For those with the money to pay the choice is huge. And a lot of those people I hear moaning about paying for dental care have no problem paying for holidays in Jamaica, Thailand etc |
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, Howard Kveck wrote: "The term White refers to people having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa." It includes people who indicated their race or races as "white" or wrote in entries such as Argentine, Chilean, Irish, German, Russian, Italian, Israeli, Syrian, Lebanese, Iraqi, Polish, Spanish, or Uruguayan." Lets settle this now. There are no whites. There are two skin colors: yellow and blue. -- Michael Press |
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