Taylor Phinney Article

KG wrote:

On Jan 26, 4:58 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Scott wrote:

On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bret wrote:

"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html

So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."

Magilla

Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)

If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
years ago. He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
to the elite cats.

You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. All the difference in
the world.

Everybody I brought up had parents. It's an undisputed fact.

I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about Poppy-bitch?

The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.

Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado. Most of the Olympic medal
contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.

I am confident Phinney will be outside the medals in Beijing.
Everything about his ramp-up is wrong. All these early season world
athletic cup events dilutes their importance because few of the top
people contest them and even fewer show up in an Olympic year.

Phinney winning a World Athletic Cup pursuit in an Olympic year is like
Mari Holden winning the world championship in the time trial in an
Olympic year. The real world championships in an Olympic year is the
****ing Olympics. In 2000, van Moorsel was the world chammpion in the
time trial, not Mari Holden.

**** the LA gerbil wheel.





Dumbass -


That is all true.

Ya gotta admit though, a 17 year old riding a 4:24 is impressive.

I vote for doping and some TdF wins.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.



That 4:24 was on an indoor velodrome with no wind and ideal temperature
and fast boards. A lot of guys in their young twenties could do a sub
4:20 over 4 years ago on an outdoor velodrome with wind.

So I'm not sure how impressed I should really be.

Boardman rode a 4:11 and that was over 12 years ago. Phinney won't get
that much better.

I'm sure people are trying to convince him to skip college because of
his 4:24, but that's just a big mistake.

**** the gerbil wheel.


Magilla

On Jan 26, 6:21*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
KG wrote:
On Jan 26, 4:58 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Scott wrote:

On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bret wrote:

"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html

So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."

Magilla

Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)

If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
years ago. *He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
to the elite cats.

You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. *All the difference in
the world.

Everybody I brought up had parents. *It's an undisputed fact.

I would like to bring up Evanshine again. *He won worlds and then he
imploded. *What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
to be the next big deal? *How about Roy Knickman? * What about Poppy-bitch?

The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.

Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado. *Most of the Olympic medal
contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.

I am confident Phinney will be outside the medals in Beijing.
Everything about his ramp-up is wrong. *All these early season world
athletic cup events dilutes their importance because few of the top
people contest them and even fewer show up in an Olympic year.

Phinney winning a World Athletic Cup pursuit in an Olympic year is like
Mari Holden winning the world championship in the time trial in an
Olympic year. *The real world championships in an Olympic year is the
****ing Olympics. *In 2000, van Moorsel was the world chammpion in the
time trial, not Mari Holden.

**** the LA gerbil wheel.

Dumbass -

That is all true.

Ya gotta admit though, a 17 year old riding a 4:24 is impressive.

I vote for doping and some TdF wins.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

That 4:24 was on an indoor velodrome with no wind and ideal temperature
and fast boards. *A lot of guys in their young twenties could do a sub
4:20 over 4 years ago on an outdoor velodrome with wind.

So I'm not sure how impressed I should really be.

Boardman rode a 4:11 and that was over 12 years ago. * Phinney won't get
that much better.



Dumbass -

Boardman did it in Superman position. He couldn't do anything near
that in a normal aero position.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

On Jan 26, 9:21 pm, MagillaGorilla magi...@

That 4:24 was on an indoor velodrome with no wind and ideal temperature
and fast boards. A lot of guys in their young twenties could do a sub
4:20 over 4 years ago on an outdoor velodrome with wind.

ekimov also rode fast pursuits and people thought he would win the
tour.

but that said 4:24 is a fast time if you look at other times on that
track. when the worlds were in LA bartko won the gold with about a
4:25 and 4:45 would also have won the gold in barcelona (boardman rode
about a 4:25 in qualifying).

ekimov didn't win the tour, but he was a solid pro for two decades.

but the lesson here for all the dreamers: if you've been racing for
more than a year and can't drop the entire field at a local race you
will not ride in the protour.

ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
On Jan 25, 4:34 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

The velodrome is a gerbil wheel. Not even Andy Hamster rode it and he's
a hamster, which is very close to a gerbil.

Magilla

Andy Hampsten rode the track at Junior Worlds. His event? The
pursuit. Let me know if you want the details, I just came across them
the other day when I was cleaning out my basement.

-rj

You're thinking Lemond (silver medal, 1979). Hampsten also took a
silver at Junior Worlds (1980, TTT).

Bob Schwartz

MagillaGorilla wrote:
ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:

On Jan 25, 4:34 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:


The velodrome is a gerbil wheel. Not even Andy Hamster rode it and he's
a hamster, which is very close to a gerbil.

Magilla


Andy Hampsten rode the track at Junior Worlds. His event? The
pursuit. Let me know if you want the details, I just came across them
the other day when I was cleaning out my basement.

-rj


Everybody makes mistakes as a teenager, including The Hamster.

Magilla

It was Lemond. And it turned out OK. The key thing is to go
faster in the turns.

Bob Schwartz

On Jan 26, 1:42 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Bret" wrote in message

...



From what I've seen, most kids in Italy spend the day practicing
wheelies on their scooters.

Where are you living right now Bret? When I was visiting France a few years
ago the thing that really shocked me was that I never saw a single
recreational cyclist until a couple of days before the finish of the Tour de
France in Paris. In a little more than a week in Burgundy I saw one cyclist
and he was a farmer heading out to his fields pulling a cart load of tools.

I've ridden in the French Alps, Pyrenees and Basque region and three
different areas of Provence. There were plenty of cyclists. Mont
Ventoux was teeming with cyclists when I was there. I can't say how
many of them were French. I kept running into people with full Postal
kits and riding Treks. A first I assumed they were Americans, but none
of them were. I spoke to a guy riding a Richard Sachs on top of the
Tourmalet. He was from Amsterdam.

Bret

On Jan 26, 5:58*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Scott wrote:
On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bret wrote:

"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html

So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."

Magilla

Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)

If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
years ago. *He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
to the elite cats.

You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. *All the difference in
the world.

Everybody I brought up had parents. *It's an undisputed fact.

I would like to bring up Evanshine again. *He won worlds and then he
imploded. *What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
to be the next big deal? *How about Roy Knickman? * What about Poppy-bitch?

The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.

Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado. *Most of the Olympic medal
contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.

I am confident Phinney will be outside the medals in Beijing.
Everything about his ramp-up is wrong. *All these early season world
athletic cup events dilutes their importance because few of the top
people contest them and even fewer show up in an Olympic year.

Phinney winning a World Athletic Cup pursuit in an Olympic year is like
Mari Holden winning the world championship in the time trial in an
Olympic year. *The real world championships in an Olympic year is the
****ing Olympics. *In 2000, van Moorsel was the world chammpion in the
time trial, not Mari Holden.

**** the LA gerbil wheel.

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Yeah, everybody has/had parents. The point, dumbass, is they didn't
have HIS parents. He's in the perfect situation of having perhaps the
best possible genetics, he has supportive parents who are helping, but
not pushing, and he has a tight knit group of close friends who are
also very good cyclists.

On Jan 26, 10:25*pm, Bob Schwartz

You're thinking Lemond (silver medal, 1979). Hampsten also took a
silver at Junior Worlds (1980, TTT).

Bob Schwartz


No, I'm not. Hampsten rode the pursuit in 1980 at the Junior Worlds
in Mexico City. He rode 3:40 for 3K.

The pacing of his ride is reviewed in detail in a track training
manual written by Norman Sheil.

-rj

Scott wrote:

On Jan 26, 5:58 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Scott wrote:

On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bret wrote:

"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html

So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."

Magilla

Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)

If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
years ago. He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
to the elite cats.

You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. All the difference in
the world.

Everybody I brought up had parents. It's an undisputed fact.

I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about Poppy-bitch?

The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.

Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado. Most of the Olympic medal
contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.

I am confident Phinney will be outside the medals in Beijing.
Everything about his ramp-up is wrong. All these early season world
athletic cup events dilutes their importance because few of the top
people contest them and even fewer show up in an Olympic year.

Phinney winning a World Athletic Cup pursuit in an Olympic year is like
Mari Holden winning the world championship in the time trial in an
Olympic year. The real world championships in an Olympic year is the
****ing Olympics. In 2000, van Moorsel was the world chammpion in the
time trial, not Mari Holden.

**** the LA gerbil wheel.

Magilla- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yeah, everybody has/had parents. The point, dumbass, is they didn't
have HIS parents. He's in the perfect situation of having perhaps the
best possible genetics, he has supportive parents who are helping, but
not pushing, and he has a tight knit group of close friends who are
also very good cyclists.


The best possible genetics?

Lance's parents never even rode a bike. As far as genetics go for
Taylor Phinney, when will he start showing symptoms of MS?

Taylor Phinney will in all likelihood ride himself into oblivion based
upon the laws of statistical probabilities. His parents should be
supporting him to go to college and stop aimlessly riding around in
circles on a gerbil wheel.

The problem with you people who live in Colorado is you're all so
nearsighted and you inflate the future of everybody who shows even the
slightest glimpse of talent.

Tom Danielson, Katie Compton, Jeff Evanshine, Taylor Phinney....there's
a pattern of writing checks you can't cover with these predictions.


Thanks,

Magilla

"Colin Campbell" wrote in message
...

I was a volunteer at the World Cup in LA. I worked the "morning" session
on Friday, which was originally scheduled to begin at 11:30AM. Due to the
unprecedented number of riders registered, that session was rescheduled to
begin at 9AM. I left the "morning" session with the last race still
running at 5:40PM, twenty minutes before spectators for the "evening"
session were scheduled to be admitted.

So I believe your rant about very few showing up, even fewer in an Olympic
year, can be discounted as the ravings of someone who doesn't check his
facts.

It is true that some of the British sprinters skipped this World Cup
event.

Colin,

Don't overlap quantity with quality. As you noted, not all of the top tier
riders participated in the event. That can be for a number of reasons:
riders may have a contractual obligation to be elsewhere, they may (as noted
by the emotionally track-conflicted MG) be in a training cycle that is not
conducive to travel or a particular training block (it was six weeks out
from Worlds), national teams may be trying to qualify additional spots for
Worlds, or teams may be sending riders for experience development.

Also, I tend to think that the world cups were designed partially with the
expectation that not all top tier riders would attend all of the world cups.