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  #101  
Old March 28th 08, 08:01 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Howard Kveck
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In article ,
(Michael Baldwin) wrote:

Ron wrote

I feel blessed to live in a country where conservatives
and libertarians are frequently mistaken for one another. It's a
mixed blessing in that they are often forced to make
common cause, but good that they can.


Ron, I think you meant to write _Liberals_ and not "libertarians".
I'm of _Libertarian_ persuasion. My personal philosophy is "the
reward of freedom is responsibility". I cannot imagine a Liberal ever
repeating those words little alone living by them.


You'd be surprised, Mike.

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tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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  #102  
Old March 28th 08, 08:48 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Tom Kunich wrote:
Unless, of course, you're a moronic idiot.


Schwarzsoft bug report:
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gay moronic idiot or gay moronic liberal nazi.


  #103  
Old March 28th 08, 01:05 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Mar 28, 2:53*am, Howard Kveck wrote:
In article ,
*Bill C wrote:

On Mar 27, 2:49*am, Howard Kveck wrote:
*There was NO thread hijack. TK started a thread on liberal fascism,
everyone jumped into bashing him.


* *Yeah, because he was wrong, you know? His definition of fascism is wrong
(and it appears you agree with it).


*Never said a word on whether he was right or wrong, just that there
was s group bashing in progress. granted he brings a LOT of that on
himself.


* *But you join in with what you thought was an example that fit with his
proposition. That is what it looks like to me.


There are a lot of them out there.
We both live in States that practice quite a bit of it.

*Once again your claim is that NONE of the national organizations know
anything about these activities, don't fund any of them, provide no
training, and there's no overlap between the folks leading the
national groups and the "direct action" groups. That's demonstrably
false, and has been demostrated numerous times.
*There was serious talk of bringing either tax, or legal actions
against PETA, and HSUS because both were found to be channelling funds
to ALF/ELF PETA admitted it and did the, "It's only for non-violent
promotional use". bit and, after massive pressure, got off.


* *Uh, maybe they "got off" because the case didn't stand the level of scrutiny that
was needed. Isn't that a principle that you talk about a lot in here in doping?


I'm not going back and dig it up again. They got off because a couple
of House folks, and a Senator, supportive of them, raised holy hell
with everyone who tried looking into it. The eveidence was actaully in
their tax return, along with other records. There was a solid case.
the info is out there. They got off for the same reason KBR keeps
getting paid, friends in government.
Seen the new stuff on KBR's faulty water treatment poisoning and
severely injuring US troops?




*I admit, as you do, to being WAY more stubborn and offensive with you
becuase you take the sanctity position for the left. You critically
evaluate the left the way Malkin and Coulter evaluate the right. Most
of the folks, left, or right don't do that.


* *You're saying I'm as bad as Malkin and Coulter? I find that to be
absurd.


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * tanx,
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Howard

* * * * * * * * * * * * Whatever happened to
* * * * * * * * * * * * Leon Trotsky?
* * * * * * * * * * * * He got an icepick
* * * * * * * * * * * * That made his ears burn.

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Bill C
  #104  
Old March 28th 08, 03:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Bill C
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On Mar 28, 2:53*am, Howard Kveck wrote:

snipped

And a lot of that is because if I haven't responded vigorously enough
to whatever you're demanding to know, you jump to the most extreme conclusion. Kind
of like you do with groups like MoveOn or the Obama campaign.

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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * tanx,
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Howard

* * * * * * * * * * * * Whatever happened to
* * * * * * * * * * * * Leon Trotsky?
* * * * * * * * * * * * He got an icepick
* * * * * * * * * * * * That made his ears burn.

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http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/03/14/war/

The antiwar movement prepares to escalate
The day the war starts, organizers vow to shut down financial
districts -- and even infiltrate a key U.S. Air Force base.

By Michelle Goldberg

Pages 1 2 Share
Mar 14, 2003 | If bombs start falling on Iraq, peace activists say,
expect insurgency at home.

http://bayareadirectaction.wordpress.com/
http://tinyurl.com/2qzmcf
Howard there's a ton more out there, you know it too, but I'll give
you the point that the most disruptive seem to have turned on MoveOn,
despite taking their money. I also have a problem with denial of
access, intimidation, harrassment, etc...being called "non-violent"
and still supported, and financed, by MoveOn.
When they stop violating the rights of other Americans, and
supporting that, then I'll get off their case. The only difference
between them and Focus on the Family and others on the right is which
guarantees and freedoms get violated.
I'm also going to stop criticising the folks on the right to level
the playing field with you. Is there anyone on the right, writing from
the right, etc... that you don't think is a nutcase?
You've also repeatedly lumped everyone who voted for Bush, or is
vaguely center, or right together with the nutjobs pretty regularly.
The vast right wing, corporate, media monster seems to be as much a
staple of your arguments as my problems with MoveOn and those folks.
I'm willing to admit that we probably both paint with too wide a
brush, how about you?
Bill C

  #105  
Old March 28th 08, 05:00 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Fred Fredburger[_3_]
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Tom Kunich wrote:
"Fred Fredburger" wrote in message
. ..
Tom Kunich wrote:

The problem is that although none of us like McCain, it looks like we
must vote for him to prevent either Obama or Hillary from getting in
and seeing the end of our country as we know it.


I have no idea how many times I've heard you say say something about
"the end of our country as we know it." It must have happened 20
times by now. Or else you're just a drama queen.


Then since all of these conversations are stored you ought to be able to
find me saying that before. Unless, of course, you're a moronic idiot.


Or unless I don't care that you've gone senile. Or unless I've come to
know that you wont recognize the truth even when it's right in front of
you. Those are definite possibilities.

You're up to "Delusional, senile drama queen". That trumps your overdone
and lame "moronic idiot".
  #106  
Old March 28th 08, 05:47 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Mar 27, 8:20 am, Donald Munro wrote:
Paul G. wrote:
(I lived in Marin during my bike racing phase. *I* was the conservative,
compared with "Wild Man" Gary Fisher, Joe Breeze, et al. I never expected
to encounter NASCAR fans and people extolling the virtues of slavery in a
bike racing forum! ) -Paul


If we didn't have a slave we wouldn't get any afternoon training rides.


Those aren't slaves, they're domestiques. Well, except for SLAVE OF
THE STATE, who is by definition, a -er- slave.

It's simple, really. Evil people are liberals. Good people are
conservatives.


Don't you mean evil people are gay, liberal, impotent nazis.


Impotent gays? I believe it's Bob Dole and NASCAR that advertise
Viagra. No, it's conservatives who are impotent. Think about it-
"conservative sex". That concept is enough to make anyone go limp. No
wonder they can't get it up. Personally, I became a liberal primarily
for the great sex.

-Paul
  #107  
Old March 28th 08, 06:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Mar 27, 3:16 pm, (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
Someone anonymous claiming to be Paul G. writes;



Thanks for pointing that out. I think I understand it
now. As Mr. Baldwin so eloquently put it:
" Next [option], simply free the slaves. Without the necessary
social skills to assimilate into a predominantly white culture, many
freeman would have surely suffered great hardship and probable

genocide.
Again this option was not chosen by the anti-abolitionists for
humanitarian reasons."


Just can't stop quoting me out of context can you Paul ? Have I
gotten under skin Paul?


Hmmnnn... I don't think you know what "out of context" means- that's
not out of context. And why would anyone think you're getting under
*my* skin? There's a distinct shrillness to your post that indicates
it's the other way around. I'm having fun with this.

You've yet to back a single word of your spew with one historically
_and_ period correct fact or quote.


Maybe in your fantasy world. It's a fact that slavery was an
abomination, and slave owners weren't motivated by humanitarian
concerns- they were motivated by greed.
Those truths are timeless.


PS - No self-described Liberal would ever drive a Ford Explorer you
fake.


Hell, that's nothing. I've also got a diesel bulldozer. No slaves,
though. Like I said, I became a liberal for the great sex. ;-)
-Paul

  #108  
Old March 28th 08, 06:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Mar 27, 5:47 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"RonSonic" wrote in message

...



I feel blessed to live in a country where conservatives and libertarians
are
frequently mistaken for one another. It's a mixed blessing in that they
are
often forced to make common cause, but good that they can.


The problem is that although none of us like McCain, it looks like we must
vote for him to prevent either Obama or Hillary from getting in and seeing
the end of our country as we know it.


Actually I liked the old John McCain. Unfortunately he had to drink
the koolaid to get the Republican't nomination. He's now saying he's
going to cut taxes and increase spending, the things that got us into
this mess. The old John McCain was a balanced budget type, like Bill
Clinton.

Personally, I can't wait to see the end of our country as we now know
it. Just imagine what you'd be saying if everything were exactly the
same, but the president was named Al Gore. 9/11, all Gore sitting on
his ass as the attack continues, the mess in Iraq, the mess in
Afghanistan, Bin Laden alive and relaxing in his safe haven, people
drowning in New Orleans while Al Gore vacations, $4/gallon gas, the
housing disaster, multiple recessions, the dollar worth half what it
was when Al Gore took office, etc etc.

The Republican'ts can't get anything right.
-Paul

  #109  
Old March 28th 08, 06:47 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Mar 27, 7:35*pm, Fred Fredburger
wrote:
SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:



The so-called "liberal" in modern pop politics lingo is nothing of the
kind. *They are just statists, pure, simple, and stoopid as it is.


Right. Strangely, however, that's also what conservatives are.


"Memo to Jonah Goldberg and National Review: free means free.
Regulation means regulation, whether it is Robert Reich or Jack Kemp
who write the regulations."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dieteman/dieteman31.html
http://www.fahayek.org/index.php?opt...ask=view&id=46

In a two party system, such as in the USA, LIBERAL (not "liberals" in
retarded pop parlance) are more or less forced to make hay in the
opposition party. "Opposition" in the USA for the last century has
basically meant coalescing to "Republican" because the ideological and
political dominance came from democrats, who are essentially
socialists. The opposition has been focused on inhibiting the drift to
statism: conservatives oppose because they conserve what already
exists; LIBERALS because they believe in freedom.

A LIBERAL calling a truce with a conservative for the basic point of a
common enemy (democrat-socialist) is really a case of an odd
relationship, but one born of political reality. It so happens that
"Republicans" are a far more diverse coalition due to the fact of
political reality forcing the coalescence of disparate interests into
one opposition, since political realities in democracies become,
unfortunately, binary in nature. So as it goes, the democrat party is
less diverse -- it represents monolithic statism with only minor
detailed differences within. Heck, look at the democrats whacked prez
primary selection procedu it is the height of irony that
"democrats" have no confidence in democracy.

NObama '08!!!!!
  #110  
Old March 28th 08, 06:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Mar 27, 5:35*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Michael Baldwin" wrote in message

...



PS - No self-described Liberal would ever drive a Ford Explorer you
fake.


Around here you can tell the Liberals - they're the one's driving the
Mercedes-Benz M-Class, BMW X5, Cadillac Escalades, Ford Expeditions and
Chevy Suburbans. They're the one's complaining about $100 fillups and trying
to get gas prices down as low as possible.

Oh, yeah, and they're the one's telling the rest of us how corrupt we are.


You forgot about complaints of global warming coming out the window of
the SUV.
 




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