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Scott wrote:
Well, of course. The whole point of the discussion hinges on the fact that we're talking about someone using a non-standard team frame DISGUISED to look as much like the team issue bike as possible. Unless you're talking about a top pro, where would you ever see info on what bike they're riding? You'd never even hear about some guy on a team who just happened to have a steel bike. That does not mean it is or isn't happening. It just means that it would be hard to point to an example of it if it were happening. Those guys ride what they are paid to ride. *Especially* those guys. Bob Schwartz |
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Scott writes:
While I don't think it's necessarily happening this year, given the long and storied history of riders having their favored frames re- badged to look like the team's bike, it's certainly not outside the realm of possiblity that someone is riding a steel frame. That was much easier back when they all looked like bicycles, and all you needed to pull that off was the correct paint job and decals. To accomplish the same look as most of today's team bikes, it would take either a very strange (and probably extraordinarily heavy) custom steel frame or a traditional steel frame with lots of paper-mache (or whatever) or possibly a combination of both to do the same. A bit difficult to see any advantages that would make it worthwhile. |
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On Jul 10, 1:04*pm, (A R:nen) wrote:
Scott writes: While I don't think it's necessarily happening this year, given the long and storied history of riders having their favored frames re- badged to look like the team's bike, it's certainly not outside the realm of possiblity that someone is riding a steel frame. That was much easier back when they all looked like bicycles, and all you needed to pull that off was the correct paint job and decals. To accomplish the same look as most of today's team bikes, it would take either a very strange (and probably extraordinarily heavy) custom steel frame or a traditional steel frame with lots of paper-mache (or whatever) or possibly a combination of both to do the same. A bit difficult to see any advantages that would make it worthwhile. True, but irrelevant. We're not (at least I'm not) talking about Boonen or Bettini or DiLuca or some top guy who's every move is scrutinized. I'm talking about the simple concept that some guy, any guy, COULD ride a non-issue frame (even a steel one) in the middle of the peleton and no one would notice or give half a damn if they did notice. |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:21:47 -0700 (PDT), Scott
wrote: The odds for any given rider using a steel frame is not 1 in 10 or 1 in 100 or whatever. It's 50/50. Is this a joke? |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:33:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott
wrote: The whole point of the discussion hinges on the fact that we're talking about someone using a non-standard team frame DISGUISED to look as much like the team issue bike as possible. Unless you're talking about a top pro, where would you ever see info on what bike they're riding? I've seen disguised bikes at races I've been at in person. These were pro bikes made by another maker of another material. It's hard, but in some cases it's possible to spot disguised bikes in photos. Especially if we're talking about frame materials with significantly different tube sizes. For high-tech steel the main tubes are way thinner than carbon and aluminum - easy to see in quality photos. The Tour of France is one of the most followed and photographed races in the world. There is zero evidence of a steel frame in that race other than someone saying "Well, it's possible." |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:13:34 -0700 (PDT), Scott
wrote: On Jul 10, 1:04*pm, (A R:nen) wrote: Scott writes: While I don't think it's necessarily happening this year, given the long and storied history of riders having their favored frames re- badged to look like the team's bike, it's certainly not outside the realm of possiblity that someone is riding a steel frame. That was much easier back when they all looked like bicycles, and all you needed to pull that off was the correct paint job and decals. To accomplish the same look as most of today's team bikes, it would take either a very strange (and probably extraordinarily heavy) custom steel frame or a traditional steel frame with lots of paper-mache (or whatever) or possibly a combination of both to do the same. A bit difficult to see any advantages that would make it worthwhile. True, but irrelevant. We're not (at least I'm not) talking about Boonen or Bettini or DiLuca or some top guy who's every move is scrutinized. I'm talking about the simple concept that some guy, any guy, COULD ride a non-issue frame (even a steel one) in the middle of the peleton and no one would notice or give half a damn if they did notice. The lower down the totem pole the rider is the less chance he has of the team letting him ride non-standard stuff. or give half a damn if they did notice. You think team sponsors who are going nuts spending money to get their name into the most televised and photographed bike race in the world wouldnt' care if some "lower-level" rider is riding something different? Wow. |
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Scott wrote: Think about this... You talk about the difficulty in finding an example of someone using a steel frame. Well, of course. The whole point of the discussion hinges on the fact that we're talking about someone using a non-standard team frame DISGUISED to look as much like the team issue bike as possible. Unless you're talking about a top pro, where would you ever see info on what bike they're riding? You'd never even hear about some guy on a team who just happened to have a steel bike. That does not mean it is or isn't happening. It just means that it would be hard to point to an example of it if it were happening. Dude, it's not 1990... You are completely bat**** if you think there's a steel bike in the pro peleton. It would be instantly obvious ( thin straight tubes.... ), bikes can't be "disguised" that much anymore. I suspect many of the riders in the TDF have NEVER ridden a lugged steel bike in their entire lives. Certainly, never raced on one. _ Booker C. Bense |
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On Jul 10, 1:34*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:33:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote: The whole point of the discussion hinges on the fact that we're talking about someone using a non-standard team frame DISGUISED to look as much like the team issue bike as possible. *Unless you're talking about a top pro, where would you ever see info on what bike they're riding? I've seen disguised bikes at races I've been at in person. These were pro bikes made by another maker of another material. * It's hard, but in some cases it's possible to spot disguised bikes in photos. Especially if we're talking about frame materials with significantly different tube sizes. *For high-tech steel the main tubes are way thinner than carbon and aluminum - easy to see in quality photos. The Tour of France is one of the most followed and photographed races in the world. There is zero evidence of a steel frame in that race other than someone saying "Well, it's possible." Don't make me play the 'dumbass' card on you! No one ever said there was any evidence of a steel frame being ridden in the Tour. You have insisted on trying to argue against a point that no one has tried to make. |
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