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On 10/11/08 8:20 PM, in article , "Howard Kveck" wrote: In article , ST wrote: Acorn does not flag anything! Wrong again, pinhead. IF their surrogates are doing questionable work to register people it is THEIR responsibility! That's why they flag the questionable and obviously bad ones when they hand them over to the election officials. They are taking responsibility. Prove it! show a source/link. From http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/...its_troops.php "Voter registration cards aren't the property of ACORN or any other group, and ACORN is required by law to turn in every completed form -- even if they're obviously fraudulent. ACORN insists it has procedures in place to flag these forms..." Not that I expect this to change anyone's opinion. |
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On Oct 11, 4:53 pm, wrote:
You can lay the blame for the current credit mess squarely on the shoulders of democrats who pressured the lending industry to give loans to the poor and who refused to create the approriate regulations to prevent the meltdown we're seeing. ... Hold it, are you high? The derivatives bubble is a quadrillion. That's not 4 trillion, by the way, that's 1000 trillion. All the mortgages put together are spittle in a bucket. But nice one -- it's all the fault of the poor, and the democrats. Go drink more koolaid. |
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In article , ST wrote:
On 10/11/08 8:20 PM, in article , "Howard Kveck" wrote: In article , ST wrote: Acorn does not flag anything! Wrong again, pinhead. IF their surrogates are doing questionable work to register people it is THEIR responsibility! That's why they flag the questionable and obviously bad ones when they hand them over to the election officials. They are taking responsibility. Prove it! show a source/link. So lazy, you. And what happens when I do? _________________ What Griffin fails to note, however, is that ACORN made very clear that some registrations they gathered from canvassers in Lake County may have been faulty. An ACORN spokesmen explained this in an October 7 press release: "ACORN flags and turns in three kinds of cards, those that it can verify, those that are incomplete, and those that it flags as problematic. It turns those in labeled in a special way and are very conservative in terms of what it flags as problematic. It has stacks of problematic cover sheets. [...]" The Lake County Board knew about the questionable registrations today because ACORN flagged them for the board. For example, the Jimmy John's card is one that a caller had flagged and labeled as problematic. ACORN can get that caller to talk to the press. According to Regina Harris, the Director of Registrations for Lake County, this claim checks out. "It's certainly true. They did have three batches separated." she told me this morning. "There was a pile they knew were good, there was some they said had missing info -- like no voter ID number or a missing birthday -- and another batch they called 'suspicious.' " Why would ACORN submit registration forms it had deemed "suspicious"? Because under most state laws, voter registration organizations are required to turn in all the forms they receive. In a phone conversation today, ACORN press coordinator Charles Jackson confirmed that this is the case in Indiana. So what explains all the faulty registration forms? There are two probable causes. One is that some registration forms can contain simple errors. That means the registrant didn't intend to subvert the election process, but rather just made an honest mistake. The other scenario involves the canvassers themselves. If employees want to boost their performance in the eyes of their boss or simply don't want to do the work of finding legitimate new voters, they could turn in forged or faulty registration forms. This is illegal and can wreak havoc on registrar's offices, but there's no evidence these imaginary people turn around and vote in November. Given Indiana's strict voter ID law, it would actually be next to impossible for anyone to cast a ballot under the name of a submarine sandwich chain or a dead person. _________________ http://progressillinois.com/2008/10/...-without-facts That was easy. And if you believe so strongly that "voter fraud" (not *registration* fraud) is taking place then you can search out the examples of people getting in trouble for fraudulent voting, right? You know, the case of the US Attorneys that got canned a while back was about voter fraud - the DOJ, driven by Gonzalez, were telling the USAs to prosecute voter fraud, but the USAs couldn't find any to prosecute. -- tanx, Howard Abandon the Creeping Meatball! remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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Fred Fredburger wrote: ST wrote: On 10/11/08 8:20 PM, in article , "Howard Kveck" wrote: In article , ST wrote: Acorn does not flag anything! Wrong again, pinhead. IF their surrogates are doing questionable work to register people it is THEIR responsibility! That's why they flag the questionable and obviously bad ones when they hand them over to the election officials. They are taking responsibility. Prove it! show a source/link. From http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/...ies_its_troops. php "Voter registration cards aren't the property of ACORN or any other group, and ACORN is required by law to turn in every completed form -- even if they're obviously fraudulent. ACORN insists it has procedures in place to flag these forms..." Not that I expect this to change anyone's opinion. Thanks, FF. -- tanx, Howard Abandon the Creeping Meatball! remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:10:20 -0700 (PDT), "P.Chisholm"
wrote: What he is, is a thinly-veiled socialist who believes in telling the same lie over and over until its accepted as true. Fred And McCain was a poor Naval Officer and aviator who said he 'found religion' after Hanoi but was a self described 'wild man' after he returned. He set new records for womanizing and drinking..in spite of his wife, who was hurt in a car crash and could barley walk. John was living the high life in DC. Just the guy we want running things. Oh...just like JFK and Teddy Kennedy? Gunner |
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On Oct 12, 5:21*pm, Fred Fredburger
wrote: *From this stream of uncritical acceptance of McCain talking points, I can only conclude that you are attempting to prove JT correct in his characterizations of you. Point made.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How are those not valid issues connected with Obama? Isn't it amazing that all we hear about from a bunch of the folks is Republican thugs, and vote fraud? Questions about McCain and the Keating 5 are perfectly valid and should be brought up, as should the connections of his people to Fannie and Freddie, why is it wrong to do the same for Obama? Let's discuss the history of voter fraud by the Chicago Machine, especially since they long bragged THEY elected JFK from their cemetaries. Is Obama a product of that system? Let's see, fraudulent registrations, blocking every attempt at laws requiring picture ID to vote, and then since you don't need picture ID, or better yet fingerprint, which they do here in Mass. for firearms background checks, it's pretty easy for them to orchestrate massive vote fraud isn't it? As the saying goes "Vote Early, Vote Often!". Bill C |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:34:44 -0700 (PDT), Bill C
wrote: Let's discuss the history of voter fraud by the Chicago Machine, especially since they long bragged THEY elected JFK from their cemetaries. Is Obama a product of that system? Bill, if you're raising the standard Republican talking points as a poltiical argument, I'm not going to bite because (despite what you think) I don't enjoy arguing politics with you. But I'm sure someone will. If you're raising them to prove how independent you are, well, it's not working. Could you please throw in something about antiwar protesters in Vietnam and the PC "free-speech zones" on the Amherst College campus as reasons to question Obama and then we'll have a right-wing trifecta in play LOL. |
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On Oct 11, 5:02*pm, ST wrote:
Blind JT, snip Partisan Moron - It's ironic and funny that you would call someone else blind. Fannie and Freddie were part of the problem, but those two entities were not/are not capable of causing a global financial crisis no matter what they did. The root problem is the enabling of the asset deficient credit default swaps. Credit Phil Gramm and Alan Greenspan. I will expound if you wish to offer one of your shallow partisan protestations. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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On Oct 11, 6:16*pm, Howard Kveck wrote:
* *Sorry, but the facts get in the way of your attempt to lay the blame for the current economic crisis on blacks, hispanics and other minorities. (Not racist much, are y'all?): Oh, shut the **** up with the idiot-talk. It makes you sound like an idiot. The root of these wide-spread problems is the federal reserve (central banking) and the banking laws. The Fed needs to be abolished, along with a complete revision of law regarding reserve requirements and clear disclosure of terms on deposits. (Just noting the first basics.) If you're worring about inadequate regulation, and honesty in advertising, maybe you could call out for abolishing the fed and strict disclosure of fractional reserves in banking. And also insist that guvmints did not allow banks to do what other firms are not allowed to do: functionally operate as bankrupt while not announcing or filing for bankruptcy. IOW, being allowed to suspend specie payments. In fact, the guvmint promotes the bad behavior. I could accept a _gradual_ phase out of the FED, but its gotta go. The contemporary bogeyman of "insufficient credit" is complete horse**** in the sense that cheap credit is at the base of the liquidity and credit problems today. Sure, now the house of cards can come tumbling down and there is only the bad "choice" of injecting liquidity. And so they are "pushing on the string." And that is not guaranteed to work, so the next step is massive fiscal policy because the massive monetary policy will be limited. And yep, that is exactly what is happening after we were told we needed this big bailout, sure enough now there are calls for massive fiscal policy in addition. It is the standard bogus (keynesian) econ doctine. It is so predictable. If "you" are going to make the decision to have a cheap credit banking system with an inflating central bank and fractional reserve banking, you are going to have a boom-bust type of economy. No amount of regulation is going to cure this in a complete way. Eliminating the centralizing aspect and forcing full disclosures on deposits will avoid the massive (wide-spread) boom-busts, although more local ones would likely still happen. You don't get rid of your problems by handing them over to guvmint, unless you manage to saddle your neighbor instead. I am a bit annoyed that guvmint policy incentivises me not to "hoard" my cash, saving it to purchase a new clown car with full cash down. Since the guvmint incentives to "not hoard" are strong, I use credit, but invariably being uncertain of the value of money (to me) in this guvmint distorted case, I overspend, buying an SUV instead of a clown car. Then I cause too much global warming. Then I buy a 52' flatscreen on credit. Then I buy a bigger house. All the stuff you love is pure crank doctrine. No one is smart enough to pull the levers on something so complex as what is vaguely called "the economy." You are drinking koolaid if you listen to these frauds. The best thing Obama or McCain could do to "lead" "us" out of the crisis is to get the **** out of the way. But they won't do it. The dominant doctrine/ideology is statism and a cult of personality. "We need a great leader in these tough times." It is so sad that a nation founded upon individual strength, "every man his own king," and fortitude has come to this weirdo euro-trash ideology. People left that elite-infested ****-hole to come to the USA. Now euro-tardism has itself crossed the ocean. RIP USA. The USA has not lived up to its ideals. So it may just as well go straight to where it is going. |
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