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Old December 10th 08, 07:09 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Amit Ghosh
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On Dec 10, 12:15*am, Carl Sundquist

The post you replied to said, "Oh, engineers will always want to talk
about it anyway, but more in terms of the nifty tool they used or how
they made a tweak that improved the design. *Cycling is geek heaven."

That's not lust.


dumbass,

the word "lust" doesn't really convey what i mean. this article
captures full on 100% unironic fredliness :

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=6180


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Old December 10th 08, 07:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Amit Ghosh
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On Dec 10, 12:33*am, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com

Remember when there was an Amit post you would pay close attention because
it had something intelligent to say


dumbass,

i've never had anything intelligent to say.
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Old December 10th 08, 10:26 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Dec 9, 8:07*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message

I have to agree with Amit. It tends to be the newbies/Freds who obsess
about equipment.


Obviously you don't understand that the "best" stuff is only good for a year
or so now.

There are exceptions to the rule, but after awhile most racers figure
out that with the exception of time trialing, it's all about the skill/
fitness, not equipment.


Most of us buy good equipment because we think it is good equipment. Having
it come apart after 12 months is sort of disillusioning.


Koney Island Cyclone,

Light, strong, cheap. Pick any two.

You have a garage full of bikes. What was wrong
with the old wheels or the old pedals? If your old
hub craps out, what's wrong with another plain
old Shimano Ultegra hub? Those use loose ball
bearings, so you can stop fretting about undersized
this and that.

Many equipment failures are due to operator error.
Some are actual bad design (in which case they
happen to lots of people) or manufacturing. And
some are the result of people taking lightweight
performance gear that's intended to last six months
of road riding under a 120 pound Anorexic Drew Carey
with a professional mechanic, and riding it for years
over potholes under fat asses without maintaining
it or checking for problems.

There are a couple of kinds of wannabe-ism, one
is like that guy on pezcycling who did the ridiculous
rice-rocket custom bike paint job that Amit posted,
and the other is sunday riders and Masters Fatties
trying to buy speed. If you do this, there is no free
lunch, you have to accept the lower reliability.

Ben
I have a titanium front skewer and it irritates
me every time I look at it.
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Old December 10th 08, 12:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
John Forrest Tomlinson
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:32:21 -0600, Carl Sundquist
wrote:

Tom Kunich wrote:
"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
news
Who knows how many other riders would like to make tweaks to their
equipment, but know that they just have to ride what the team gives them?


Carl, let's remember that most riders aren't capable of making
intelligent decisions so it is probably best that they don't have a say
in equipment.


Both Shaun Wallace, who admittedly has an engineering degree, and Harvey
Nitz have built their own carbon frames (and that was roughly 15 years
ago). Nitz helped Serotta design the headset used on the '84 pursuit
bikes. These guys are not like bimbo singer/actor/actresses who claim to
design signature fragrances or clothes. Nitz was always tweaking his
bikes. Some riders have valuable, thoughtful suggestions and innovations
and sometimes (like you suggest) they simply have too much free time on
their hands.


Greg LeMond (with aero bars) and Bernard Hinault (with pedals), while
not capable of making their own stuff, were clearly "into" the
technology.
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Old December 10th 08, 12:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:40:49 -0800 (PST), Amit Ghosh
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On Dec 9, 8:46*pm, Bill C
*The other side of that is unless they are getting bikes from a
sponsor, experienced racers, especially crit types, know they are
going to wreck bikes and equipment and itr makes no sense to spend
huge dollars out of their own pockets for unobtainium and super
expensive carbon. Know at least one who has a couple of top end
Colnagos they ride to train and for fun, but wouldn't risk racing in a
million years.
*Bill C


dumbass,

a few weeks ago i saw a segment on Top Gear about amateur (auto)
rallying in Finland.

there the cars were all given a nominal value (like $2000) and if
anyone wanted to buy your car you had to sell it to them. it meant
that people didn't go nuts on hardware and the emphasis stayed on
skill.

bike racing should have a similar rule


Yeah. One easy way for bike racing to stay more reasonable in pricing
would be to require rims be made of metal and not more than 2cm deep
or something.

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Old December 10th 08, 12:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
John Forrest Tomlinson
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:02:27 -0800 (PST), Amit Ghosh
wrote:

On Dec 9, 10:32*pm, Carl Sundquist

Nitz helped Serotta design the headset used on the '84 pursuit
bikes. These guys are not like bimbo singer/actor/actresses who claim to
design signature fragrances or clothes. Nitz was always tweaking his
bikes. Some riders have valuable, thoughtful suggestions and innovations
and sometimes (like you suggest) they simply have too much free time on
their hands. Other riders are happy riding whatever they have.


dumbass,

i already said it. racers are going to always look for more
performance, but freds are te ones who will succumb to "bike lust".

there's a difference.


Yeah, that's the right distinction.
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Old December 10th 08, 12:18 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
John Forrest Tomlinson
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:09:49 -0800 (PST), Amit Ghosh
wrote:

the word "lust" doesn't really convey what i mean. this article
captures full on 100% unironic fredliness :

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=3Dfullstory&id=3D6180


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The call to Server.Execute failed while loading the page."

I'll try it later.

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Old December 10th 08, 12:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:26:47 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

Koney Island Cyclone,


But the Wonder Wheel is here to stay

http://www.wonderwheel.com/cycling/index.html
  #59  
Old December 10th 08, 12:51 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Amit Ghosh
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On Dec 10, 6:16*am, John Forrest Tomlinson

Yeah. One easy way for bike racing to stay more reasonable in pricing
would be to require rims be made of metal and not more than 2cm deep
or something.


dumbasses howard and JT ,

i think the rules make it so that the sport is fair already.

there's nothing wrong with people that want to spend $10,000 on a bike
or discuss the merits of different spoke counts all day, but it's a
hobby which has nothing to do with bike racing.

it's just a distraction, but most racers don't realize until they've
been racing for 5 yrs or so.

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Old December 10th 08, 01:14 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:09:49 -0800 (PST), Amit Ghosh wrote:
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=3Dfullstory&id=3D6180


"Server object error 'ASP 0228 : 80004005'


Lost in translation: those "3D"-s got into it somewhere between Google
Groups and Agent. Try http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=6180
 




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