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Old December 30th 08, 02:41 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Bill C wrote:

On Dec 29, 6:44*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Bill C wrote:
On Dec 29, 6:10*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:


dumbass,


i am sick of these "emotional" tough guys like phil moore and kunich
who want to beat up people who insult them on the internet.


these are the same types of guys that get into shoving matches at
bars, stalk ex-girlfriends and eventually put a barrel of a shotgun in
their mouth.


I'm also sick of loud mothed assholes screaming out garbage,
disrupting others people's right to speak, ruining others people's
events to stroke their sad little egos.


You make it sounds like this happens to Page all the time and have
witnessed such "disruptions." *What exactly are you so "sick" of?

I'm pretty sure George Steinbrenner doesn't think that fans who heckle are
"ruining" the event in Yankee stadium. *You're so melodramatic.

You actually think cyclocross nationals was "ruined?"

Name one event that was "ruined?"

I bet you can't name one.

Magilla


An interview. In a sport that is built on publicity, sponsorship, and
good publicity this is a cardinal sin.
Bill C


You're tarded. Fans can boo anytime or anywhere they want. They don't need
to ask anyone's permission.

How about some of these beauts...I don't see any of the fans getting kicked out
of the games like you evidently think should happen. By the way, athletes
would prefer that fans booed and heckled during the post-game interview rather
than the event itself. Somehow you think the interview is more important than
the event. No athlete thinks like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTPnHN_yJpY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQe_6x50510
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2qFf...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7VpHtCsvwA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc6zs...eature=related


Tennis fans boo players at Flushing Meadows all the time during the LIVE
television interviews at the U.S. Open. Stop being so melodramatic. There's
no obligation on the part of any fan to promote the game or sponsors.

The fans don't get paid - nor are they required as part of attending an event -
to promote it in any way, shape, or form.

Second, all you do is espouse an opinion. You don't really translate that into
anything. You call heckling a "sin." And? So what? What does that mean for
the heckler? You leave the only important question unanswered and expect
everyone to guess.


Magilla

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Old December 30th 08, 02:46 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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"Paul G." wrote:

On Dec 29, 3:29İpm, Bill C wrote:
On Dec 29, 6:10İpm, Amit Ghosh wrote:

dumbass,


i am sick of these "emotional" tough guys like phil moore and kunich
who want to beat up people who insult them on the internet.


these are the same types of guys that get into shoving matches at
bars, stalk ex-girlfriends and eventually put a barrel of a shotgun in
their mouth.


I'm also sick of loud mothed assholes screaming out garbage,
disrupting others people's right to speak, ruining others people's
events to stroke their sad little egos.


Anyone who wants to destroy cyclocross should behave as Monkey Boy
advocates. I wouldn't be surprised if the sponsors of McAnus's team
and the event are not pleased with his antics. If the school board of
his district hears about it, he might even lose his job. Actions have
consequences.
-Paul


"Destroy Cyclo-cross"...there you go again with the melodrama. You may as
well throw "mushroom cloud" in there too because it's all just one big
delusion with you.

Cyclo-cross is destroyed by athletes who skip their anti-doping tests and by
their Manson Family followers who think they have the right to give a
beat-down to any fan who doesn't such their man's dick.

Fortunately, a Missouri school teacher stood up for the First Amendment in
Kansas City.


Thanks,

Magilla

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Old December 30th 08, 03:18 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Dec 29, 5:04*pm, Fred Fredburger
wrote:
Bill C wrote:
On Dec 29, 6:10 pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:


dumbass,


i am sick of these "emotional" tough guys like phil moore and kunich
who want to beat up people who insult them on the internet.


these are the same types of guys that get into shoving matches at
bars, stalk ex-girlfriends and eventually put a barrel of a shotgun in
their mouth.


I'm also sick of loud mothed assholes screaming out garbage,
disrupting others people's right to speak, ruining others people's
events to stroke their sad little egos. Your right to be an asshole
ends at my right to conduct my life and business. I'd love to come up
there where I'm guessing you teach some classes and scream throught
them about how you plagiarized a bunch of your papers, insinuate you
molest little boys, and all kinds of other garbage with NO
repercussions for my actions at all.
*A race, like any other sanctioned sporting event is controlled by the
organizing body, it's not a public area. It's a private event where
the public is allowed access. With that come certain standards of
behavior, especially where they could damage the product, as this
asshole did.
*Bill C


Behaving like a civilized human being is a good thing. But it's also
cool for people to grow the **** up and quit taking offense at every
little thing. In the KC incident, nothing McAnus said or did excuses
violence on the part of the Page Clan.

The fact that so many of you absolve the Page Clan of responsibility for
the fight they willingly participated in IS CRAZY. The fight caused far
more damage to the sport than 50 hecklers would have.


You usually seem like a reasonable guy. Where are you getting this
idea that the Page Clan "willingly participated" in the fight? They
unwisely confronted McAnus about disrupting the interview, but that is
hardly "willingly participating" in the fight.

Maybe they were annoying. Maybe Book actually did touch McAnus. None
of that excuses the assault shown in the video, or changes the fact
that Book is CLEARLY NOT a willing participant. He's shown lying on
his back and trying to get away, while McAnus and his pal repeatedly
go after him.
-Paul
  #24  
Old December 30th 08, 03:28 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Paul G. wrote:


You usually seem like a reasonable guy. Where are you getting this
idea that the Page Clan "willingly participated" in the fight? They
unwisely confronted McAnus about disrupting the interview, but that is
hardly "willingly participating" in the fight.


What's the alternative? That they weren't responsible for their own
actions? How is that possible?

Maybe they were annoying. Maybe Book actually did touch McAnus. None
of that excuses the assault shown in the video, or changes the fact
that Book is CLEARLY NOT a willing participant. He's shown lying on
his back and trying to get away, while McAnus and his pal repeatedly
go after him.


I don't see NEAR as much in that video as you see. I can tell there was
a fight but I can't tell who started it. You are correct in saying that
Book was unwilling to participate after he'd been knocked down, I just
don't think that's a big deal.

Bottom line is that Book's decisions landed him where they landed him.
Those were his decisions and nobody forced him to make them. He was not
a security person, he willingly confronted a couple obnoxious drunks.
That's a stupid thing to do.
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Old December 30th 08, 03:37 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Dec 29, 8:04*pm, Fred Fredburger
wrote:


Behaving like a civilized human being is a good thing. But it's also
cool for people to grow the **** up and quit taking offense at every
little thing. In the KC incident, nothing McAnus said or did excuses
violence on the part of the Page Clan.

Yep. Totally agreed.
The fact that so many of you absolve the Page Clan of responsibility for
the fight they willingly participated in IS CRAZY. The fight caused far
more damage to the sport than 50 hecklers would have.- Hide quoted text -

Again agreed. Unfortunately Universities in particular are using the
argumnet that speech, primarily Affirmative Action baqke sales and the
like have to be banned because they could cause dissenting students to
resort to violence. It's gotta cut both ways, and the responsibility
has to accompany the freedom.
Right now UNC is leading the pack:
http://www.thefire.org/index.php/art...tml?PHPSESSID=


UNC policies that regulate speech are both unconstitutionally vague
and broad in many cases, Lukianoff said.

Among the examples cited Tuesday:

* Appalachian State University prohibits "abusive language, insults,
taunts" directed at another person.

* Fayetteville State University prohibits "vulgar language."

* N.C. Central University bans "statements of intolerance."

* East Carolina prohibits "obscene, vulgar, loud or disruptive
language" and offensive conduct.

* UNC-Chapel Hill's sexual harassment policy provides examples of
harassment that include "sexually explicit jokes or anecdotes

Don't hear any outrage from the usual suspects including
Magilla.Those are public colleges, funded by public tax dollars. I'm
outraged.
Bill C
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Old December 30th 08, 03:38 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Bill C
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On Dec 29, 9:28*pm, Fred Fredburger
wrote:


Bottom line is that Book's decisions landed him where they landed him.
Those were his decisions and nobody forced him to make them. He was not
a security person, he willingly confronted a couple obnoxious drunks.
That's a stupid thing to do.


Yep, they should've gotten an Official, and, or a cop. Drunk and
disorderly, disturbing the peace, etc...come to mind as possible
charges.
Bill C
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Old December 30th 08, 03:52 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Bill C wrote:

the responsibility
has to accompany the freedom.


There you go.
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Old December 30th 08, 04:13 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
John Forrest Tomlinson
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:41:53 -0500, MagillaGorilla
wrote:

Fans can boo anytime or anywhere they want. They don't need
to ask anyone's permission.


I don't think it's right during an interview. During the event is one
thing, but during an interview is different.
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Old December 30th 08, 04:41 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
MagillaGorilla[_2_]
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Bill C wrote:

On Dec 29, 9:28*pm, Fred Fredburger
wrote:


Bottom line is that Book's decisions landed him where they landed him.
Those were his decisions and nobody forced him to make them. He was not
a security person, he willingly confronted a couple obnoxious drunks.
That's a stupid thing to do.


Yep, they should've gotten an Official, and, or a cop. Drunk and
disorderly, disturbing the peace, etc...come to mind as possible
charges.
Bill C


What are you gonna tell the cop - that there's a drunk guy heckling Jonny
Page? The cop
doesn't give a ****.

Mind your own business. Leave the hecklers alone. You are way too offended
at hecklers. You, JP, his stupid wife, her brother, and practically every
cheerleader in this sport....you all need to stop drinking the semen of
people just because they take out a UCI license.


Magilla

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Old December 30th 08, 04:47 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Bill C wrote:

On Dec 29, 8:04*pm, Fred Fredburger
wrote:


Behaving like a civilized human being is a good thing. But it's also
cool for people to grow the **** up and quit taking offense at every
little thing. In the KC incident, nothing McAnus said or did excuses
violence on the part of the Page Clan.

Yep. Totally agreed.
The fact that so many of you absolve the Page Clan of responsibility for
the fight they willingly participated in IS CRAZY. The fight caused far
more damage to the sport than 50 hecklers would have.- Hide quoted text -

Again agreed. Unfortunately Universities in particular are using the
argumnet that speech, primarily Affirmative Action baqke sales and the
like have to be banned because they could cause dissenting students to
resort to violence. It's gotta cut both ways, and the responsibility
has to accompany the freedom.
Right now UNC is leading the pack:
http://www.thefire.org/index.php/art...tml?PHPSESSID=

UNC policies that regulate speech are both unconstitutionally vague
and broad in many cases, Lukianoff said.

Among the examples cited Tuesday:

* Appalachian State University prohibits "abusive language, insults,
taunts" directed at another person.

* Fayetteville State University prohibits "vulgar language."

* N.C. Central University bans "statements of intolerance."

* East Carolina prohibits "obscene, vulgar, loud or disruptive
language" and offensive conduct.

* UNC-Chapel Hill's sexual harassment policy provides examples of
harassment that include "sexually explicit jokes or anecdotes

Don't hear any outrage from the usual suspects including
Magilla.Those are public colleges, funded by public tax dollars. I'm
outraged.
Bill C


All universities are considered private property. They can make up their own
rules. And in all those cases, the police aren't arresting people for
violating any of those policies. They are simply getting kicked out of the
university or administratively disciplined in some lesser form.

What does that have to do with a bike race held on public property?

Magilla

 




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