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Why heckling Page is Fair Game
Bill C wrote:
On Dec 29, 6:44*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Bill C wrote: On Dec 29, 6:10*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote: dumbass, i am sick of these "emotional" tough guys like phil moore and kunich who want to beat up people who insult them on the internet. these are the same types of guys that get into shoving matches at bars, stalk ex-girlfriends and eventually put a barrel of a shotgun in their mouth. I'm also sick of loud mothed assholes screaming out garbage, disrupting others people's right to speak, ruining others people's events to stroke their sad little egos. You make it sounds like this happens to Page all the time and have witnessed such "disruptions." *What exactly are you so "sick" of? I'm pretty sure George Steinbrenner doesn't think that fans who heckle are "ruining" the event in Yankee stadium. *You're so melodramatic. You actually think cyclocross nationals was "ruined?" Name one event that was "ruined?" I bet you can't name one. Magilla An interview. In a sport that is built on publicity, sponsorship, and good publicity this is a cardinal sin. Bill C You're tarded. Fans can boo anytime or anywhere they want. They don't need to ask anyone's permission. How about some of these beauts...I don't see any of the fans getting kicked out of the games like you evidently think should happen. By the way, athletes would prefer that fans booed and heckled during the post-game interview rather than the event itself. Somehow you think the interview is more important than the event. No athlete thinks like that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTPnHN_yJpY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQe_6x50510 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2qFf...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7VpHtCsvwA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc6zs...eature=related Tennis fans boo players at Flushing Meadows all the time during the LIVE television interviews at the U.S. Open. Stop being so melodramatic. There's no obligation on the part of any fan to promote the game or sponsors. The fans don't get paid - nor are they required as part of attending an event - to promote it in any way, shape, or form. Second, all you do is espouse an opinion. You don't really translate that into anything. You call heckling a "sin." And? So what? What does that mean for the heckler? You leave the only important question unanswered and expect everyone to guess. Magilla |
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Why heckling Page is Fair Game
"Paul G." wrote: On Dec 29, 3:29İpm, Bill C wrote: On Dec 29, 6:10İpm, Amit Ghosh wrote: dumbass, i am sick of these "emotional" tough guys like phil moore and kunich who want to beat up people who insult them on the internet. these are the same types of guys that get into shoving matches at bars, stalk ex-girlfriends and eventually put a barrel of a shotgun in their mouth. I'm also sick of loud mothed assholes screaming out garbage, disrupting others people's right to speak, ruining others people's events to stroke their sad little egos. Anyone who wants to destroy cyclocross should behave as Monkey Boy advocates. I wouldn't be surprised if the sponsors of McAnus's team and the event are not pleased with his antics. If the school board of his district hears about it, he might even lose his job. Actions have consequences. -Paul "Destroy Cyclo-cross"...there you go again with the melodrama. You may as well throw "mushroom cloud" in there too because it's all just one big delusion with you. Cyclo-cross is destroyed by athletes who skip their anti-doping tests and by their Manson Family followers who think they have the right to give a beat-down to any fan who doesn't such their man's dick. Fortunately, a Missouri school teacher stood up for the First Amendment in Kansas City. Thanks, Magilla |
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Why heckling Page is Fair Game
On Dec 29, 5:04*pm, Fred Fredburger
wrote: Bill C wrote: On Dec 29, 6:10 pm, Amit Ghosh wrote: dumbass, i am sick of these "emotional" tough guys like phil moore and kunich who want to beat up people who insult them on the internet. these are the same types of guys that get into shoving matches at bars, stalk ex-girlfriends and eventually put a barrel of a shotgun in their mouth. I'm also sick of loud mothed assholes screaming out garbage, disrupting others people's right to speak, ruining others people's events to stroke their sad little egos. Your right to be an asshole ends at my right to conduct my life and business. I'd love to come up there where I'm guessing you teach some classes and scream throught them about how you plagiarized a bunch of your papers, insinuate you molest little boys, and all kinds of other garbage with NO repercussions for my actions at all. *A race, like any other sanctioned sporting event is controlled by the organizing body, it's not a public area. It's a private event where the public is allowed access. With that come certain standards of behavior, especially where they could damage the product, as this asshole did. *Bill C Behaving like a civilized human being is a good thing. But it's also cool for people to grow the **** up and quit taking offense at every little thing. In the KC incident, nothing McAnus said or did excuses violence on the part of the Page Clan. The fact that so many of you absolve the Page Clan of responsibility for the fight they willingly participated in IS CRAZY. The fight caused far more damage to the sport than 50 hecklers would have. You usually seem like a reasonable guy. Where are you getting this idea that the Page Clan "willingly participated" in the fight? They unwisely confronted McAnus about disrupting the interview, but that is hardly "willingly participating" in the fight. Maybe they were annoying. Maybe Book actually did touch McAnus. None of that excuses the assault shown in the video, or changes the fact that Book is CLEARLY NOT a willing participant. He's shown lying on his back and trying to get away, while McAnus and his pal repeatedly go after him. -Paul |
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Why heckling Page is Fair Game
Paul G. wrote:
You usually seem like a reasonable guy. Where are you getting this idea that the Page Clan "willingly participated" in the fight? They unwisely confronted McAnus about disrupting the interview, but that is hardly "willingly participating" in the fight. What's the alternative? That they weren't responsible for their own actions? How is that possible? Maybe they were annoying. Maybe Book actually did touch McAnus. None of that excuses the assault shown in the video, or changes the fact that Book is CLEARLY NOT a willing participant. He's shown lying on his back and trying to get away, while McAnus and his pal repeatedly go after him. I don't see NEAR as much in that video as you see. I can tell there was a fight but I can't tell who started it. You are correct in saying that Book was unwilling to participate after he'd been knocked down, I just don't think that's a big deal. Bottom line is that Book's decisions landed him where they landed him. Those were his decisions and nobody forced him to make them. He was not a security person, he willingly confronted a couple obnoxious drunks. That's a stupid thing to do. |
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Why heckling Page is Fair Game
On Dec 29, 8:04*pm, Fred Fredburger
wrote: Behaving like a civilized human being is a good thing. But it's also cool for people to grow the **** up and quit taking offense at every little thing. In the KC incident, nothing McAnus said or did excuses violence on the part of the Page Clan. Yep. Totally agreed. The fact that so many of you absolve the Page Clan of responsibility for the fight they willingly participated in IS CRAZY. The fight caused far more damage to the sport than 50 hecklers would have.- Hide quoted text - Again agreed. Unfortunately Universities in particular are using the argumnet that speech, primarily Affirmative Action baqke sales and the like have to be banned because they could cause dissenting students to resort to violence. It's gotta cut both ways, and the responsibility has to accompany the freedom. Right now UNC is leading the pack: http://www.thefire.org/index.php/art...tml?PHPSESSID= UNC policies that regulate speech are both unconstitutionally vague and broad in many cases, Lukianoff said. Among the examples cited Tuesday: * Appalachian State University prohibits "abusive language, insults, taunts" directed at another person. * Fayetteville State University prohibits "vulgar language." * N.C. Central University bans "statements of intolerance." * East Carolina prohibits "obscene, vulgar, loud or disruptive language" and offensive conduct. * UNC-Chapel Hill's sexual harassment policy provides examples of harassment that include "sexually explicit jokes or anecdotes Don't hear any outrage from the usual suspects including Magilla.Those are public colleges, funded by public tax dollars. I'm outraged. Bill C |
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Why heckling Page is Fair Game
On Dec 29, 9:28*pm, Fred Fredburger
wrote: Bottom line is that Book's decisions landed him where they landed him. Those were his decisions and nobody forced him to make them. He was not a security person, he willingly confronted a couple obnoxious drunks. That's a stupid thing to do. Yep, they should've gotten an Official, and, or a cop. Drunk and disorderly, disturbing the peace, etc...come to mind as possible charges. Bill C |
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Why heckling Page is Fair Game
Bill C wrote:
the responsibility has to accompany the freedom. There you go. |
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Why heckling Page is Fair Game
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:41:53 -0500, MagillaGorilla
wrote: Fans can boo anytime or anywhere they want. They don't need to ask anyone's permission. I don't think it's right during an interview. During the event is one thing, but during an interview is different. |
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Why heckling Page is Fair Game
Bill C wrote:
On Dec 29, 9:28*pm, Fred Fredburger wrote: Bottom line is that Book's decisions landed him where they landed him. Those were his decisions and nobody forced him to make them. He was not a security person, he willingly confronted a couple obnoxious drunks. That's a stupid thing to do. Yep, they should've gotten an Official, and, or a cop. Drunk and disorderly, disturbing the peace, etc...come to mind as possible charges. Bill C What are you gonna tell the cop - that there's a drunk guy heckling Jonny Page? The cop doesn't give a ****. Mind your own business. Leave the hecklers alone. You are way too offended at hecklers. You, JP, his stupid wife, her brother, and practically every cheerleader in this sport....you all need to stop drinking the semen of people just because they take out a UCI license. Magilla |
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Why heckling Page is Fair Game
Bill C wrote:
On Dec 29, 8:04*pm, Fred Fredburger wrote: Behaving like a civilized human being is a good thing. But it's also cool for people to grow the **** up and quit taking offense at every little thing. In the KC incident, nothing McAnus said or did excuses violence on the part of the Page Clan. Yep. Totally agreed. The fact that so many of you absolve the Page Clan of responsibility for the fight they willingly participated in IS CRAZY. The fight caused far more damage to the sport than 50 hecklers would have.- Hide quoted text - Again agreed. Unfortunately Universities in particular are using the argumnet that speech, primarily Affirmative Action baqke sales and the like have to be banned because they could cause dissenting students to resort to violence. It's gotta cut both ways, and the responsibility has to accompany the freedom. Right now UNC is leading the pack: http://www.thefire.org/index.php/art...tml?PHPSESSID= UNC policies that regulate speech are both unconstitutionally vague and broad in many cases, Lukianoff said. Among the examples cited Tuesday: * Appalachian State University prohibits "abusive language, insults, taunts" directed at another person. * Fayetteville State University prohibits "vulgar language." * N.C. Central University bans "statements of intolerance." * East Carolina prohibits "obscene, vulgar, loud or disruptive language" and offensive conduct. * UNC-Chapel Hill's sexual harassment policy provides examples of harassment that include "sexually explicit jokes or anecdotes Don't hear any outrage from the usual suspects including Magilla.Those are public colleges, funded by public tax dollars. I'm outraged. Bill C All universities are considered private property. They can make up their own rules. And in all those cases, the police aren't arresting people for violating any of those policies. They are simply getting kicked out of the university or administratively disciplined in some lesser form. What does that have to do with a bike race held on public property? Magilla |
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