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Trikki Beltran's bad concussion and his helmet
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Bill Sornson wrote: I was merely commenting on your attributing words/arguments to others that don't exist. Twice. (Granted, first case -- which you snipped -- was more egregious.) Hmm. That does appear to be what I was doing. (Though I still think that replacing the first one with a valid representation of the position I was attempting to represent doesn't affect the point I was making/illustrating, and would carry the additional bonus of removing the opportunity for the second. I just chose particularly bad examples to support it.) And then when I got called on it I responded in a way that I and many others object to (quite legitimately) when people we disagree with try to do it. I really need to go on a long bike ride instead of arguing on usenet, but the bike shop hasn't finished fixing my brakes yet, and the weather 'round here sucks this weekend anyways. But I definitely need to find something to do where being grumpy won't lead to embarassing myself in public. If you[1] catch me posting again before the end of the weekend, beat me over the head with a crushed helmet or some other suitable implement. dave [1] Generic `you', not just Bill. -- Dave Vandervies Let's all just agree that I'm right and everyone else is wrong, and move on from there. --Keith Thompson in comp.lang.c |
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Dave Vandervies wrote:
In article , Bill Sornson wrote: I was merely commenting on your attributing words/arguments to others that don't exist. Twice. (Granted, first case -- which you snipped -- was more egregious.) Hmm. That does appear to be what I was doing. (Though I still think that replacing the first one with a valid representation of the position I was attempting to represent doesn't affect the point I was making/illustrating, and would carry the additional bonus of removing the opportunity for the second. I just chose particularly bad examples to support it.) And then when I got called on it I responded in a way that I and many others object to (quite legitimately) when people we disagree with try to do it. I really need to go on a long bike ride instead of arguing on usenet, but the bike shop hasn't finished fixing my brakes yet, and the weather 'round here sucks this weekend anyways. But I definitely need to find something to do where being grumpy won't lead to embarassing myself in public. If you[1] catch me posting again before the end of the weekend, beat me over the head with a crushed helmet or some other suitable implement. Just wear your helmet. {pause} :-P |
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Trikki Beltran's bad concussion and his helmet
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"Bill Sornson" wrote: Michael Press wrote: In article , Steven Bornfeld wrote: Context is everything. Anti-helmet folks using risk compensation seem There are no "anti-helmet folks." It is all in your mind. That's funny, I could have sworn it's been on my computer screen! Then you can characterize a member by describing his values, goals, methods, knowledge-base, tools, attitude, and theses; and cite two or more writings that support your thesis. -- Michael Press |
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Dave Vandervies wrote: In article , Steven Bornfeld wrote: (plonk) -- Cut the nonsense to reply |
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Steven Bornfeld wrote: wrote: Steven Bornfeld wrote: I would welcome your efforts to make cycling helmets more effective. I won't make that effort. I know you won't--that's my point. Right. They're not needed. Making them "more effective" is a waste of time. Surely that's simple enough to understand. As I said in my previous post: To make them more effective, make them much thicker. Do away with most of the ventilation holes. Bring back the hard shells. Oh, and redesign the ridiculously ineffective straps with something that will keep its shape and adjustment - maybe solid plastic. [And as I said, these would make helmets only marginally more protective, but significantly more unpleasant.] You don't know (and CANNOT know) that that is the only way to do this. :-) Oh, I'm sure a non-engineer can tell a licensed mechanical engineer what he knows about mechanical design! What did you say your background was? ISTR it was dentistry. You'll note that I never debate dentists on tooth cleaning. There are good reasons for that. Perhaps you should ponder them. - Frank Krygowski |
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Steven Bornfeld wrote: wrote: What did you say your background was? ISTR it was dentistry. You'll note that I never debate dentists on tooth cleaning. There are good reasons for that. Perhaps you should ponder them. Please feel free, Frank. If you have in fact worked on making helmets safer, accept my apologies. If you think the brain-injured and dead people I've known are a waste of time, you can go to hell. Wow, _that's_ charitable! And a major non-sequitur! Did I say your brain-injured acquaintances are a waste of time? No, not even close. But let me ask: Of the brain injured and dead people you've known, how many were injured by cycling, and how many by other activities? I'm curious whether your group fits the national profile. You're aware, I'm sure, that cycling is less than 1% of the serious head injury problem in the US. Right? I sometimes suspect that bike helmet fanatics think the _other_ 99% are a waste of time! - Frank Krygowski |
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Trikki Beltran's bad concussion and his helmet
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
I submit that on or about Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:19:49 GMT, the person known to the court as SMS made a statement in Your Honour's bundle) to the following effect: So you say. And of course in ScharfWorld, denouncing them as "woefully inadequate" is of course completely different... http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec...e=source&hl=en Very creative snipping. Nearly as creative as yours - once again you snipped the call for evidence without actually providing any! I see a pattern emerging The evidence is in the same places that I've pointed to on numerous occasions. I'm sure you're smart enough to look at the previous threads on the subject and find it. Not that any amount of evidence has ever convinced you of anything in the past. |
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I submit that on or about Sat, 20 Aug 2005 04:50:57 GMT, the person
known to the court as SMS made a statement in Your Honour's bundle) to the following effect: once again you snipped the call for evidence without actually providing any! I see a pattern emerging The evidence is in the same places that I've pointed to on numerous occasions. I'm sure you're smart enough to look at the previous threads on the subject and find it. I was a participant in those threads. My recollection is that you reacted to the repeated calls for evidence by killfiling me and Frank. I've reviewed at least one of those threads, and can't find any externally verifiable evidence from you to back your assertions. Since I can neither remember or find the evidence you claim you posted, I am sure it will be no problem for you to post it again. Not that any amount of evidence has ever convinced you of anything in the past. Once again you falsely accuse others of your own worst faults. Specifically in the case of helmets, I used to be an enthusiastic helmet promoter until I discovered the contradictory and confusing nature of the evidence. So that's one example where the evidence convinced me. As ever, your zealotry causes you to see all agnostics as atheists. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound |
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Steven Bornfeld wrote:
Ad hom noted. I hope you are willing to work on making helmets more effective, rather than insulting the intelligence of survivors of head injury fatalities. Huh? Where did they bury the survivors of these fatalities? |
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