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Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
In article , Peter Clinch wrote:
Jamie Andrew lost both legs below the knee from frostbite after a climbing trip went pear shaped. He did a charity fundraiser last year where he did a personal triathlon of iron Man distances in under 24 hours (so a 112 mile bike ride in there, and he doesn't have any hands any more either...) http://www.jamieandrew.com/content/view/49/40/ He still climbs, and harder than me! cf paraplegic Karen Darke http://www.ukclimbing.com/articles/page.php?id=543 She has also crossed the Karakorams on a handcycle. |
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Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
For my two pence. My Wife is (was) a dancer. Very fit and agile as you would expect. Cancer caught up with her last year and she can now just walk a few yards without resting. We used to cycle lots regularly to Richmond Park for tea and cake, now we use the car. The point is that each situation is different. She can't cycle anymore but I still do. We don't like using the car but it gets us to where we want to go, when we go together. As lots of people here have said there are benefits available to disabled cyclists although I do admit there is a perception that "if you're disabled how could you ride a bike." Cars can be useful even if not desirable. Looking forward to troll replies. Doug Wrote: Not only are disabled cyclists not generally recognised as such and are banned from many areas where wheelchair users are allowed but they are also excluded from many of the benefits enjoyed by disabled motorists, such as the following. "If you have difficulty getting around, having your own car can make all the difference to your independence. Several organisations offer information and advice about buying and driving a car specially adapted for a disabled person. These include the Mobility Information Service, the Mobility Advice and Vehicle Information Service (MAVIS) and the Queen Elizabeth’s Foundation Mobility Centre. Motability is a charity that helps people to use the higher rate mobility component of their Disability Living Allowance (DLA) or their War Pensioner’s Mobility Supplement to buy powered wheelchairs, personal vehicles and cars through a hire purchase scheme. For cars, Motability covers: * a new car every three years * free tyres * insurance * road tax * servicing, maintenance and repairs * breakdown cover * window or windscreen replacement. However, your DLA or Mobility Supplement won't necessarily cover all the costs: you may also have to pay a deposit, the cost of necessary adaptations, running costs and so on. Do check exactly what you will need to pay before committing yourself. Exemption from VAT and road tax Disabled people do not have to pay VAT on equipment for daily living, wheelchairs, personal vehicles or on cars specially adapted to carry a disabled person in a wheelchair. See VAT Notice 701/7, VAT reliefs for disabled people for more information. You can get a copy from the HM Revenue and Customs helpline on 0845 010 9000 (you will need to give your postcode when you call). People who receive the higher rate mobility component of Disability Living Allowance don’t usually have to pay Vehicle Excise Duty (road tax) on their car." -- Carfree Cities http://www.carfree.com/ Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking, cycling and public transport. -- permajeo |
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Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:13:13 +0100, Mark McNeill
wrote: Response to Alan Braggins Not long ago I saw someone with one leg riding a Brompton. What was the other leg riding? I've no idea - only the one attached to his body was in sight :-) (See also http://xkcd.com/191/ (though it's a bit unfair).) Going ever-so-slightly OT, hitting RANDOM got me http://xkcd.com/346/ which made me laugh till it hurt, which is pretty good going after only one coffee. Is it just me that has no idea what this is about? -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Owing to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. See http://improve-usenet.org |
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Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
In article , Mark wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:13:13 +0100, Mark McNeill wrote: Going ever-so-slightly OT, hitting RANDOM got me http://xkcd.com/346/ which made me laugh till it hurt, which is pretty good going after only one coffee. Is it just me that has no idea what this is about? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_Co...entos_eruption |
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Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabledmotorists?
On 11 Jun, 23:11, "Guy Ballantine"
wrote: I'm not sure of why you want to discuss the differences of a disabled cyclist or motorist and quote incorrect information. I am disabled, have a Motability vehicle and ride a handcycle for exercise so I am a disabled driver AND a disabled cyclist. In your first paragraph you say that cyclists are banned from areas that a wheelchair can go. Like where?unless you mean it being a unsafe to ride around a small shop on you bicycle where a wheelchair would be more manoeuvrable. Railway stations and platforms. Pavements. Many pedestrianised areas, such as Trafalgar Square for example. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net 'Those who must get around on their own power have been redefined as underdeveloped outsiders'. Illich |
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Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabledmotorists?
On 12 Jun, 07:58, JNugent wrote:
Rob Morley wrote: "Guy Ballantine" wrote: In your first paragraph you say that cyclists are banned from areas that a wheelchair can go. Like where? Pedestrianised shopping areas. True. And more. And the interiors of shops and supermarkets. And the end of the row in a theatre or cinema. And railway platforms (believe it or not, but someone recently suggested that cyclists should be allowed to cycle along the platforms!). And what if they can cycle but find walking extremely painful due to the extra weight on their leg joints which is otherwise avoided by a saddle? There are very long railways platforms around these days. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net 'Those who must get around on their own power have been redefined as underdeveloped outsiders'. Illich |
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Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
Terry Duckmanton said the following on 11/06/2008 18:03:
A person with faulty legs would be perfectly capable of using a hand powered trike. I must admit that someone with a dicky ticker would be less able and would be better off with a car. A colleague at work who was found to have a dicky ticker was made to stop driving for a while... -- Paul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ |
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Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabledmotorists?
Nuxx Bar said the following on 11/06/2008 18:58:
The trolls purport to think it's fair that a disabled person who's caught driving safely at 35 in a 30 four times in three years is banned. Have I misunderstood this? What you seem to be saying is that you think it's OK for someone to be caught and punished for exceeding the speed limit so long as they're disabled. Sounds to me like they've been treated in exactly the same way as an able-bodied person. -- Paul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ |
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Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?
Peter Clinch said the following on 12/06/2008 09:08:
Jamie Andrew lost both legs below the knee from frostbite after a climbing trip went pear shaped. He did a charity fundraiser last year where he did a personal triathlon of iron Man distances in under 24 hours (so a 112 mile bike ride in there, and he doesn't have any hands any more either...) http://www.jamieandrew.com/content/view/49/40/ That's rather sobering. Makes not riding a bike because of an aching knee look a bit pathetic! -- Paul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ |
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Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabledmotorists?
On 11 Jun, 16:59, JNugent wrote:
Doug wrote: Not only are disabled cyclists not generally recognised as such and are banned from many areas where wheelchair users are allowed but they are also excluded from many of the benefits enjoyed by disabled motorists, such as the following. [snip] No, you're wrong. The fact that a particular person owned a bicycle would not prevent them (if disabled) from being eligible for a car under the Motability scheme (or whatever it's now called). So they'd be treated exactly the same as anyone else. What if they didn't have a driving licence and didn't want to go through the rigmarole of getting one? Or, they had tried many times and failed? The point is this, a disabled driver can stick a wheelchair in the boot of their car and is free to go loads of places where disabled cyclists are not allowed and the driver can get financial benefits that are denied cyclists. -- Carfree Cities http://www.carfree.com/ Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking, cycling and public transport. |
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