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  #1001  
Old September 6th 06, 08:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
donquijote1954
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Default Beauty vs. the Beast


Bill Funk wrote:
"Equal law" is not fair when you have big fat deadly SUVs pitted
against fragile bikes.


SUVs?
What's the connection here? Get hit by an SUV or a Toyota, the result
is pretty much the same.


Well, let's the SUV is more likely to kill you. I think it's like 16
times more deadly to the passengers in the little Toyota than another
car. Let alone if it hits someone in an aluminum bike. Beauty vs. the
Beast.

Of course equal law should apply here; bike riders aren't car-proof.


And they are even dangerous while parked: They are oversized and forced
cyclists into the lane, ie into their death.

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  #1002  
Old September 6th 06, 09:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
Bill Baka
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Default Beauty vs. the Beast

donquijote1954 wrote:
Bill Funk wrote:
"Equal law" is not fair when you have big fat deadly SUVs pitted
against fragile bikes.

SUVs?
What's the connection here? Get hit by an SUV or a Toyota, the result
is pretty much the same.


Well, let's the SUV is more likely to kill you. I think it's like 16
times more deadly to the passengers in the little Toyota than another
car. Let alone if it hits someone in an aluminum bike. Beauty vs. the
Beast.

Of course equal law should apply here; bike riders aren't car-proof.


And they are even dangerous while parked: They are oversized and forced
cyclists into the lane, ie into their death.

Duh,
You do know how to get off the bike and walk it around death traps,
don't you? Survival takes precedence over "I rode ALL the way.".
Bill (not that stupid, and no clip hassles) Baka
  #1003  
Old September 7th 06, 07:12 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
donquijote1954
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Default it's better to be alive and humiliated than proud and dead


Bill Baka wrote:
And they are even dangerous while parked: They are oversized and forced
cyclists into the lane, ie into their death.

Duh,
You do know how to get off the bike and walk it around death traps,
don't you? Survival takes precedence over "I rode ALL the way.".
Bill (not that stupid, and no clip hassles) Baka


The beast (the SUV) may have an evolutionary advantage over the bike
(survival), but I find it humiliating.

What the heck, it's better to be alive and humiliated than proud and
dead, right?

  #1004  
Old September 7th 06, 09:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
di
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"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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Bill Baka wrote:
And they are even dangerous while parked: They are oversized and forced
cyclists into the lane, ie into their death.

Duh,
You do know how to get off the bike and walk it around death traps,
don't you? Survival takes precedence over "I rode ALL the way.".
Bill (not that stupid, and no clip hassles) Baka


The beast (the SUV) may have an evolutionary advantage over the bike
(survival), but I find it humiliating.

What the heck, it's better to be alive and humiliated than proud and
dead, right?


I'm really glad all the big bad SUV's are out chasing you and leaving the
rest of us alone.


  #1005  
Old September 8th 06, 06:24 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
donquijote1954
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Default it's better to be alive and humiliated than proud and dead


di wrote:
The beast (the SUV) may have an evolutionary advantage over the bike
(survival), but I find it humiliating.

What the heck, it's better to be alive and humiliated than proud and
dead, right?


I'm really glad all the big bad SUV's are out chasing you and leaving the
rest of us alone.


No, if you don't hunt your beast, your beast may eat you. I hunt mine,
you hunt yours. Or is it that you ride in a controlled environment
without beasts?

I know a guy who's like 70, but looks nice and fit. I asked him what
was his secret. He said, "Ride a bike." I asked, "How come you are
still alive?" He replies, "Of course, I ride a stationary bike!"

  #1006  
Old September 8th 06, 06:33 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
donquijote1954
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Default it's better to be alive and humiliated than proud and dead


Scott en Aztlán wrote:
I'm really glad all the big bad SUV's are out chasing you and leaving the
rest of us alone.


Actually, Donkey Hotay might be onto something here. Maybe SUVs *do*
have an appetite for pedalcyclists...


I'm not actually saying that SUVs have the intention to eat the
cyclist. They are just negligent about it, or perhaps after eating a
little Toyota, they are looking for desert.

--
I'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it!


Any day I'm gonna see a bumper sticker that goes: "Serial Killer, and
Damn Proud About it!" Or "We Support Our Troops, Even Though They Went
Looking For Oil in Iraq, and Damn Proud About it!"

  #1007  
Old September 8th 06, 06:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
donquijote1954
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Default Don't worry, be happy


di wrote:
What the heck, it's better to be alive and humiliated than proud and
dead, right?


I'm really glad all the big bad SUV's are out chasing you and leaving the
rest of us alone.


OK, there are no beasts out there. Don't worry, be happy...

'For more than 30 years, the government has been ramming cars into
walls in an effort to make car crashes safe. The public has been
conditioned to believe that seatbelts, airbags and more "crashworthy"
vehicles are the best ways to protect us from harm on the roads.
Meanwhile, the most basic strategies to deter dangerous driving and
prevent crashes have been ignored. "It's No Accident" provides a rare
glimpse into how the government got seduced by the promise of "safe
crashing." It then examines the major factors involved in crashes
today, including speeding, aggressive driving, distractions (e.g. cell
phones) and drowsy driving. The author reveals that many dangerous
behaviors are now legally PROMOTED by businesses, and that drivers who
kill often walk away with just a small fine. This well-documented
expose is a must-read for anyone concerned about violent death and
injury on our roads and how to stop it.'

http://www.lulu.com/content/186268

  #1008  
Old September 11th 06, 12:01 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
donquijote1954
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Default yet another argument in favor of THE REVOLUTION

Sure it's an oversimplification: Not all people in SUVs are predators
(some have been duped by advertising) and not all cyclists are prey.
Actually some cyclists are predators and some are both cyclists and SUV
owners, which helps explain why they favor the lion...

"Perhaps the COMPETITION between SUVs, BAD DRIVERS and INDIFFERENT
OFFICIALS on the one hand and the SMALLER CARS and a handful of daring
CYCLISTS on the other, which is taking place on our WILD, DARWINISTIC
ROADS, can be best understood as a confrontation between LION and
MONKEY, where THE ROADS ARE THE JUNGLE. Then the MONKEY'S REVOLUTION is
the struggle of David vs. Goliath. And this conflict, which could be
easily solved with some COOPERATION and POLITICAL WILL, is yet another
argument in favor of THE REVOLUTION..."

http://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace

I think nothing else needs to be said.

  #1009  
Old September 11th 06, 02:49 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
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Default yet another argument in favor of THE REVOLUTION

On 10 Sep 2006 16:01:42 -0700, "donquijote1954"
wrote:

Sure it's an oversimplification: Not all people in SUVs are predators
(some have been duped by advertising) and not all cyclists are prey.
Actually some cyclists are predators and some are both cyclists and SUV
owners, which helps explain why they favor the lion...

"Perhaps the COMPETITION between SUVs, BAD DRIVERS and INDIFFERENT
OFFICIALS on the one hand and the SMALLER CARS and a handful of daring
CYCLISTS on the other, which is taking place on our WILD, DARWINISTIC
ROADS, can be best understood as a confrontation between LION and
MONKEY, where THE ROADS ARE THE JUNGLE. Then the MONKEY'S REVOLUTION is
the struggle of David vs. Goliath. And this conflict, which could be
easily solved with some COOPERATION and POLITICAL WILL, is yet another
argument in favor of THE REVOLUTION..."

http://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace

I think nothing else needs to be said.


I've been saying for years that penalties for reckless driving should
vary with the listed weight of the vehicle. That would promp drivers
to not buy the huge SUVs and if they did, to drive them carefully. If
you say are caught doing 80 in a 60 in a 2000 pound car, you pay a
$500. Do the same in a 6000 pound 'Burb and the fine is $2500 and
license suspension for 6 months. Stop coddling these killers.

  #1010  
Old September 11th 06, 03:22 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.autos.driving,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides
chuck
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Default yet another argument in favor of THE REVOLUTION

On 2006-09-11, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
On 10 Sep 2006 16:01:42 -0700, "donquijote1954"
wrote:

Sure it's an oversimplification: Not all people in SUVs are predators
(some have been duped by advertising) and not all cyclists are prey.
Actually some cyclists are predators and some are both cyclists and SUV
owners, which helps explain why they favor the lion...

"Perhaps the COMPETITION between SUVs, BAD DRIVERS and INDIFFERENT
OFFICIALS on the one hand and the SMALLER CARS and a handful of daring
CYCLISTS on the other, which is taking place on our WILD, DARWINISTIC
ROADS, can be best understood as a confrontation between LION and
MONKEY, where THE ROADS ARE THE JUNGLE. Then the MONKEY'S REVOLUTION is
the struggle of David vs. Goliath. And this conflict, which could be
easily solved with some COOPERATION and POLITICAL WILL, is yet another
argument in favor of THE REVOLUTION..."

http://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace

I think nothing else needs to be said.


I've been saying for years that penalties for reckless driving should
vary with the listed weight of the vehicle. That would promp drivers
to not buy the huge SUVs and if they did, to drive them carefully. If
you say are caught doing 80 in a 60 in a 2000 pound car, you pay a
$500. Do the same in a 6000 pound 'Burb and the fine is $2500 and
license suspension for 6 months. Stop coddling these killers.


They need to do as in some european countries. The cost of the ticket
should be based on the driver's income. In most cases, the resulting
fine would have the same effect.
 




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